MLB commish confirms Oakland A’s will be moving to Las Vegas (Update: $1.5B park on Vegas strip on the way)

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Why I'm responding 2 years later who tf knows.
But we have 10 years of water stored in both wells as well as being feed by 3 aquifers. Lake Mead has seen a rise but last year was an outlier for rain and mountain snow so who knows.

Las Vegas has becoming a model city on a global scale for water conservation. If anything, it's Utah's wasteful bullshyt (which the feds will starting coming down hard on) and Southern California draining Lake Mead. But yeah I get it, the economy is propped up by folks coming in and spending money, so anything that impedes that puts the LVV in a huge bind. Other than being a rich man's playground and a backup plan for economically displaced Californians , we really don't offer the world anything good. By existing, Las Vegas leave the world in a worse place. Population will continue to grow until we become completely landlocked and the population will settle.

But sports attendance isn't an issue. NHL in the fukking desert draws standing room only crowds nightly. The A's or whatever they'll be branded as will do well.
There’s a huge difference between the knights and the A’s you’re not considering though. The knights are an expansion team native to Vegas so the locals have real reason to be invested in them and the owners spend to field a contender, while John fisher and his predecessors he worked with make Jeff Loria (expos/nationals & then marlins), the wilpons (Mets), and the Angelos family (orioles) look like George Steinbrenner or Jerry Buss by comparison. There’s no reason to think he’ll do anything but stuff any profits into his pocket and be content to lose 105+ games every year while ignoring the angry or apathetic fans who protest/don’t show up. Then he’ll sell the team after a couple years (like Loria did with the 2 teams he owned) and since Major League Baseball seems to hate the A’s, they’ll get another ownership group that pulls this act.
 

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That seems to be Buster’s opinion

Breaking up is never easy

Getting out of a dead market like Oakland is good for baseball
 

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Saw that this afternoon. Talk is cheap. This is them trying to cover their asses now that it might be settling in that this guy is possibly hurting the league’s bottom line. If they’re serious, then force a sale to someone who will get a new park built in Oakland and who is committed to winning as opposed to the past few owners who’ve said openly that winning isn’t a priority, but lining their own pockets is.

Not a shred of logic in leaving one of the biggest sports markets and a big stadium for what would be the smallest market and smallest stadium in the majors if the one they claim they can get done on the strip were built. In no way shape or form is any of this good for baseball as a whole and it especially falls on the commissioner of all people to realize that these owners over the past are harming the long term viability of the sport and have to protect it and them from themselves before they kill the sport.
 

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A’s move to play more games outside of Vegas could undercut stadium finances by millions​

A request to play 8 home games a season away from Las Vegas could negatively affect the team’s financial projections and bonding capacity for public financing.


The Oakland Athletics are requesting to play up to eight home games a season away from the team’s future $1.5 billion Las Vegas ballpark, a move that could significantly undercut the financial projections presented last year when the team sought $380 million in public financing for the project.

The request to play more than a half-dozen home games away from Las Vegas is contained within the team’s 37-page proposed 30-year non-relocation agreement and is at least double the amount of negotiated neutral site home games agreed to by other Major League Baseball franchises in their non-relocation agreements.

The Las Vegas Stadium Authority Board — which oversees the operations and oversight of Allegiant Stadium and the planned A’s ballpark — is expected to vote on the agreement at its July 18 meeting.

Stadium Authority Chairman Steve Hill said negotiations with A’s concerning the non-relocation agreement are ongoing, but the number of home games away from Las Vegas agreed upon will affect the bonding capacity for the stadium, which stands at $120 million.

Hill, who is also the CEO of the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority, suggested the team could reduce its requested number of games to ensure the bonding capacity needed to finance stadium construction is not threatened.


“If you eliminate 10 percent of the games that will be played at the stadium, chances are you're going to eliminate about 10 percent of that bonding capacity,” Hill said in a Monday interview.

Jeremy Koo, a Sacramento-based attorney, A’s fan and an opponent of the team’s move to Las Vegas, analyzed the economic impact of the lost home games and said the eight games were more than double the number of relocated home games that Major League Baseball permitted in similar agreements involving other teams. He estimated it would result in annual projected losses of between $2.6 million and $3 million in incremental tax revenue and between $65 million and $75 million in incremental spending.

“It is unclear why the A’s require the uncompensated right to play seven, much less eight, home games away from the proposed stadium yearly,” Koo wrote in a letter sent Thursday to the Stadium Authority board.

In the three most recent non-relocation agreements covering new ballparks in Miami (2009), Atlanta (2014), and Arlington, Texas, (2017) the teams agreed to no more than three “home” games in neutral sites per season.

A’s President David Kaval said the idea of holding eight games outside of Las Vegas was a way to build the team’s brand, promote the club and attract players and sponsors. The A’s haven’t participated in a special regular season series or event since 2019.

However, Kaval said negotiations are still taking place with the Stadium Authority over the terms of the non-relocation agreement and a number of neutral site “home” games.

Kaval added that the idea of including the eight games was to have “flexibility” but to also put an “absolute limit” on how many games could be moved.

“We know in most years it’s expected to be way less,” he said.

Kaval and Hill suggested other events, including concerts, would take place at the new ballpark when the A’s aren’t using the stadium. Jeremy Aguero, principal analyst at Las Vegas-based advisory firm Applied Analysis, said Monday that financial projections for the ballpark presented to lawmakers last year were based on uses beyond baseball.

“Let's imagine that the A’s don't play a game or three games over a specific period,” Aguero said. “That also allows the stadium to be reprogrammed for some other use during that same period. The value of a stadium is not just game day. It is everything that happens outside of game day as well.”

Public financing for the stadium includes $180 million in transferable tax credits from the state (which the team could sell to other businesses for cash), an estimated $120 million in Clark County bonds and a $25 million credit from the county for infrastructure needs around the stadium.

However, Hill said those kinds of events can’t be factored into the bonding capacity figure because the actual scheduling wouldn’t happen until after the ballpark’s construction has been funded. He reiterated the bonds are restored through events.

“We want to be conservative because you don't want the bonds not being able to be repaid,” Hill said.

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Las Vegas Stadium Authority Board Chairman Steve Hill and Oakland A’s team president Dave Kaval talk during the board meeting on Aug. 24, 2023. (Jeff Scheid/The Nevada Independent)
‘One foot already out the door’

Applied Analysis, working on behalf of the A’s, told lawmakers last year that the stadium would host 95 events annually — including 81 A’s home games — and that it would attract 405,000 visitors to Las Vegas who came exclusively for the games or events. The annual result was estimated at $36.5 million in incremental tax revenue and $900 million in incremental economic activity.

Aguero said Monday the figures were based on the information provided ahead of the legislative session. Similar to the preliminary economic projections the firm produced for the then-planned Allegiant Stadium in 2016, the numbers can change based on new events.

The $750 million public financing for Allegiant is funded through a 0.8 percent increase in the hotel room tax along the resort corridor.

Aguero suggested the 65,000-seat Allegiant Stadium exceeded its preliminary projections by filling dates with different ticketed events, including international soccer matches, rugby tournaments and concerts.

“All those types of things have been tremendous, and the value in terms of out-of-town consumers has well-exceeded expectations,” Aguero said.

Koo, who testified twice in 2023 during legislative hearings in opposition to the public funding for the ballpark, said in an email that he was not representing any party in the A’s planned move to Las Vegas.

“Given that the economic analysis was predicated on 81 home baseball games, the board must obtain appropriate compensation or a change in terms to protect the economic activity and tax receipts the A’s themselves have said will only come because A’s baseball will be played in Las Vegas,” Koo wrote in a letter last week to the Stadium Authority.

He suggested the Stadium Authority board require the A’s “to justify the reasonableness of this uncompensated request.”

“The Athletics should not be arriving in Las Vegas with one foot already out the door,” Koo wrote.

The non-relocation agreement is one of several required contracts spelled out in SB1, which was approved during the Nevada Legislature’s special session last year, that need to be signed before developers can begin construction on the ballpark. Construction needs to begin by April 2025 so the stadium can be ready for opening day in April 2028.
 

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A lease for the ballpark and a development agreement are still being discussed. In the interim, the A’s plan to play at a minor league ballpark in Sacramento for three years, beginning in 2025.

A spokesman from Major League Baseball did not respond to an email request for comment. A spokeswoman for the MLB Players Association referred to the organization’s 2022-26 collective bargaining agreement, which stated that only four neutral site series — one or two-game events — can be scheduled each regular season.

Since 1996, teams have played in international and domestic markets. The A’s have played six neutral site games in Tokyo, two each in 2008, 2012 and 2019. The A’s were the designated home team each year.

In March, the Los Angeles Dodgers and San Diego Padres opened the regular season with two games in Seoul, South Korea. The Houston Astros and Colorado Rockies played two games in Mexico City in April. The New York Mets and Philadelphia Phillies will play two games in London, England, this weekend. Each team is designated as the home team for one of the games in all three series.

The one-game “Field of Dreams” game, which took place the last three years at the Dyersville, Iowa, location where the 1989 movie of the same name was filmed, was moved this year to the historic Rickwood Field in Birmingham, Alabama, to honor the Negro Leagues.

 
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Never wanted them in the first place. Let them go back to Philly or Kansas City, or head to Salt Lake
 

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Has there been even the slightest rumbling about a local group coming in at the last minute and buying the A’s? It seems like the Las Vegas move is DOA and it also seems unlikely Sacramento can put together a $1.5 billion baseball stadium project given the lack of big money there. Erik S.

No, I haven’t heard anything about a last-ditch purchase of the A’s to keep them in Oakland. Mostly because I’m sure there isn’t any chance of it. For somebody to buy the A’s and keep them in Oakland, John Fisher would have to put them up for sale. And he has always said he’s not selling.

Also, the Las Vegas project is absolutely not dead, and in fact, last week it passed through a few governmental hurdles. I’m not sure about those celebrations in Nevada over this — a construction deal in Vegas is far from the finish line — but it’s still very possible that the A’s will get something done in Vegas.

Prediction for where the A’s are playing in four years?Ryan F.

That’s up to Fisher. Everything is there to get it done in Las Vegas if he commits the financing and has the gumption to just finish off the deal. But I also always bet against Fisher getting anything major done. So I’ll guess that in four years they’ll still be playing in Sacramento due to delays in Las Vegas, and I’ll add that by 2028 there will be discussions to stay in Sacramento permanently, possibly with Vivek Ranadivé in talks to buy the A’s.
 

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Prediction for where the A’s are playing in four years?Ryan F.

That’s up to Fisher. Everything is there to get it done in Las Vegas if he commits the financing and has the gumption to just finish off the deal. But I also always bet against Fisher getting anything major done. So I’ll guess that in four years they’ll still be playing in Sacramento due to delays in Las Vegas, and I’ll add that by 2028 there will be discussions to stay in Sacramento permanently, possibly with Vivek Ranadivé in talks to buy the A’s.
Oh wow, that would definitely be interesting. How far apart are the two stadium areas, about 90 minutes? Is it a good thing that the team is going to and possibly staying in Sacramento all the way around?
 

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Oh wow, that would definitely be interesting. How far apart are the two stadium areas, about 90 minutes? Is it a good thing that the team is going to and possibly staying in Sacramento all the way around?
Hell yeah it's a good thing because there's already an established A's fanbase here. Most Sacramentans are Giants heads but there are A's fans here and there's a chance to convert a percentage of Giants loyalties to A's fans with those fans now having a team in town, rather than having to travel to SF...

This is a huge win for Sacramento and my prediction is within a few years Vivek will own the team and they'll officially be the Sacramento Athletics...
 
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