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[Wiseborn]

it separates the people who value their knees from those who don't

its 2020 - if airborne won't even jump into afghanistan then where they hell are they gonna jump again? only thing airborne units got is tradition - and tradition built off learning from the mistakes of german and british airdrops at that

jumping out of a plane was dumb then and its even dumber now. the only reason it was even pushed to begin with was because of how time was no one's friend in WW2 and because information was incredibly hard to come by. dropping a massive number of soldiers in an area where they weren't supposed to be may as well have been strategic pocket sand in your enemy's eyes - something to buy you time while you pushed your armor to where it needed to be.

its not fear stopping people its common sense. shyt ain't even a school or skillset airborne is play play mixed with nostalgia

what can an airborne soldier do that a drone can't?

oh that's right. die and waste a bunch of training and time/money invested

yeah you might be sipping the koolaid homie

he told no lies there

The Rangers did a jump into Afghanistan in 01 homie.

The 173rd did a jump in northern Iraq in 03 homie There's several people walking around with mustard stains (combat jumps) well by now they may be retired but a mass tac jump still works when you have total air supremacy which is what the US would have with anybody they would fight except maybe Russia and China.

It still makes sense against Infantry to capture a position quickly.

 

[42 Monks]

The Rangers did a jump into Afghanistan in 01 homie.

The 173rd did a jump in northern Iraq in 03 homie There's several people walking around with mustard stains (combat jumps) well by now they may be retired but a mass tac jump still works when you have total air supremacy which is what the US would have with anybody they would fight except maybe Russia and China.

It still makes sense against Infantry to capture a position quickly.

and it was stupid as fukk, actually proportionate to the problem set far more than anything airborne soldiers 'train' for, and did nothing worth popping bottles over because light infantry doesn't hold ground without armor and can't fortify against anything with fuse attached to it

the 173rd literally gets clowned to this day for making up a reason to jump just to give themselves medals and talk shyt

its the most pointless, aged out, and shortlived strategic option in history

jump into an area you have no assets in, outside of any reasonable support range, that also for whatever reason can't be bombed and act like small arms is gonna do anything - except get ground into paste slow by the weather, artillery, a supplied enemy or an enemy that knows the land better than you, starve, or surrender en masse until help arrives.

you realize how many typical airborne soldiers died on a GOOD day right? there's a reason that shyt got dropped cold by the entire modern world.

paratroopers shined during a time where fuel and planes were more valuable than human lives they'd risk hundreds of men to MAYBE disrupt a few AA guns and protect a few bombers. then pour one out as the bombers carpeted the area where they were being held prisoner at. thank you for your service btw

fast forward to today and even getting one person air evac'd out is a massive undertaking. a whole dropped battalion or more scattered over a massive area? its wholly unreasonable.

and you know it doesn't make sense

 

[Wiseborn]

and it was stupid as fukk, actually proportionate to the problem set far more than anything airborne soldiers 'train' for, and did nothing worth popping bottles over because light infantry doesn't hold ground without armor and can't fortify against anything with fuse attached to it

the 173rd literally gets clowned to this day for making up a reason to jump just to give themselves medals and talk shyt

its the most pointless, aged out, and shortlived strategic option in history

jump into an area you have no assets in, outside of any reasonable support range, that also for whatever reason can't be bombed and act like small arms is gonna do anything - except get ground into paste slow by the weather, artillery, a supplied enemy or an enemy that knows the land better than you, starve, or surrender en masse until help arrives.

you realize how many typical airborne soldiers died on a GOOD day right? there's a reason that shyt got dropped cold by the entire modern world.

paratroopers shined during a time where fuel and planes were more valuable than human lives they'd risk hundreds of men to MAYBE disrupt a few AA guns and protect a few bombers. then pour one out as the bombers carpeted the area where they were being held prisoner at. thank you for your service btw

fast forward to today and even getting one person air evac'd out is a massive undertaking. a whole dropped battalion or more scattered over a massive area? its Yo unreasonable.

and you know it doesn't make sense

Cmon breh, You can say that the Ranger jump was for clout but the herd jumped to support SF in the north which was wildly successful.

nikka lets say we invaded Iran without coliation help how the fukk would you get to the north of the country? Drive in from the coast? an amphibous raid is as risky if not more so than a jump and way less stealthy.

I guess you can fly in but a C-17 can take maybe two tanks at a time even the USAF couldn't put an Armored brigade combat team anywhere it wants. but that same C-17 could drop an Airborne Brigade Combat team anywhere, They could land but you'd need the Rangers or an Airborne unit to take the airfield and they'd do it buy jumping in.

Putting down the 82nd in one go on a hot LZ is stupid but dropping a battalion on an objective like a bridge or a crossroads or town or an airfield makes total sense and it why the capabilty is maintained.

shyt Delta Force used a single Tank platoon to draw forces away from Baghdad and it barely worked. Tanks need shytloads of support throw a track and it takes hours to fix, a tank falls into a berm and you'd need either two tanks to recover the stuck tank or a tank wrecker. They could've choppered in there own vehicles and accomplished the same thing they did with tanks.

 

[BadBoy]

I need a good Iraq documentary to watch y’all got me excited for no reason

 

[42 Monks]

I need a good Iraq documentary to watch y’all got me excited for no reason

which part? the gulf war stuff kinda gets breezed over like crazy these days

people forget iraq used to have a navy

greatest flex in desert storm wasn't the technological superiority but the logistics of it all. full sprint across a country while making sure everyone in the coalition got something for their wall.... insane really

edit:

this was actually a pretty solid video summarizing the events and the lead up to it. part of a series

 

[BadBoy]

which part? the gulf war stuff kinda gets breezed over like crazy these days

people forget iraq used to have a navy

greatest flex in desert storm wasn't the technological superiority but the logistics of it all. full sprint across a country while making sure everyone in the coalition got something for their wall.... insane really

edit:

this was actually a pretty solid video summarizing the events and the lead up to it. part of a series

Watching this one called desert one now

 

[42 Monks]

Cmon breh, You can say that the Ranger jump was for clout but the herd jumped to support SF in the north which was wildly successful.

nikka lets say we invaded Iran without coliation help how the fukk would you get to the north of the country? Drive in from the coast? an amphibous raid is as risky if not more so than a jump and way less stealthy.

I guess you can fly in but a C-17 can take maybe two tanks at a time even the USAF couldn't put an Armored brigade combat team anywhere it wants. but that same C-17 could drop an Airborne Brigade Combat team anywhere, They could land but you'd need the Rangers or an Airborne unit to take the airfield and they'd do it buy jumping in.

Putting down the 82nd in one go on a hot LZ is stupid but dropping a battalion on an objective like a bridge or a crossroads or town or an airfield makes total sense and it why the capabilty is maintained.

shyt Delta Force used a single Tank platoon to draw forces away from Baghdad and it barely worked. Tanks need shytloads of support throw a track and it takes hours to fix, a tank falls into a berm and you'd need either two tanks to recover the stuck tank or a tank wrecker. They could've choppered in there own vehicles and accomplished the same thing they did with tanks.

if shyt was successful in afghanistan, we'd be done there. right? shyt going by old ass doctrine airborne should've had afghanistan of all places wrapped up....

and you just winging the convo about iran yeah just let a c-17 fly buttass naked over an adversary that can see them from hundreds of miles away. the fukk they telling yal these days man

light infantry can't hold anything by itself for against an opposing conventional military. especially without supplies. and nobody cares about an airfield once air supremacy has already been established. the first boots to airfields aren't grunts, but engineers who can quickly convert what's left out of a bombed out airfield while their position is guarded by nonstop combat air patrols and fortified armor. and the equipment they need to do that isn't worth the risk of a drop either.

****they don't even teach soldiers at the company level or larger how to be hungry anymore. don't teach anything about rationing at all. its pointless. yal just die or go around looking to surrender hoping for water.

like again - why risk soldiers when artillery/naval bombardments from whole timezones away/round the clock bombing do the job better anyways? so dudes can jump in and have cute little shootouts against other dudes? for what? there are units that can BUILD an airfield in the time it takes light infantry to secure one. and again, its 2020, what kind of range do you think we even need for this stuff.... even in WW2 planes have hundreds of miles of range. they just sent paratroopers out in gliders because they didn't feel like risking a quality engine

hell, in desert storm the first bombers took off from the US

you don't put anything down anywhere until the place has been bombed to hell and back. then bombed again. then gunships do laps and bomb anything with bodyheat. even when SF pats itself on the back for disabling coverage in a specific area like in DS, you have to acknowledge that the show would go on either way. and its still a significantly less loss of life/resources then letting airborne attempt to stay relevant

jump out a plane, grab the t-shirt, fukk bad bytches - but that shyt is nothing more than elaborate song and dance to remember old times fondly

 

[42 Monks]

to add - if it weren't for the Brits and French doing a monstrous amount of heavy lifting through bloody insurgent work and keeping the Nazi's disrupted and supporting the US (who took their SWEET time getting there btw), those WW2 GIs would be in mass graves and germany would be speaking russian

that red carpet isn't gonna be there ever again

 

[TheDarkskinnedDrake]

How did you even decide to apply? did you get a brief? Did they ask you to try out? or did you call? Did they give you the "tip sheet"?

worked with them then got a brief.

a mass jump is retarded but there’s been a quite a few Combat freefalls done you have the ability to pop your chute then ride it in about 40 miles popping a chute a 15,000 no one is hearing it

 

[TheDarkskinnedDrake]

In my opinion jumping static line or free fall is pointless cus once you pop ur chute you’re a sitting duck in most ways. I rather take my chances flying in on a helicopter

You’re a sitting duck in a helo on your entry and exit but hopefully the gunship support is covering you

 

[Wiseborn]

if shyt was successful in afghanistan, we'd be done there. right? shyt going by old ass doctrine airborne should've had afghanistan of all places wrapped up....

and you just winging the convo about iran yeah just let a c-17 fly buttass naked over an adversary that can see them from hundreds of miles away. the fukk they telling yal these days man

light infantry can't hold anything by itself for against an opposing conventional military. especially without supplies. and nobody cares about an airfield once air supremacy has already been established. the first boots to airfields aren't grunts, but engineers who can quickly convert what's left out of a bombed out airfield while their position is guarded by nonstop combat air patrols and fortified armor. and the equipment they need to do that isn't worth the risk of a drop either.

****they don't even teach soldiers at the company level or larger how to be hungry anymore. don't teach anything about rationing at all. its pointless. yal just die or go around looking to surrender hoping for water.

like again - why risk soldiers when artillery/naval bombardments from whole timezones away/round the clock bombing do the job better anyways? so dudes can jump in and have cute little shootouts against other dudes? for what? there are units that can BUILD an airfield in the time it takes light infantry to secure one. and again, its 2020, what kind of range do you think we even need for this stuff.... even in WW2 planes have hundreds of miles of range. they just sent paratroopers out in gliders because they didn't feel like risking a quality engine

hell, in desert storm the first bombers took off from the US

you don't put anything down anywhere until the place has been bombed to hell and back. then bombed again. then gunships do laps and bomb anything with bodyheat. even when SF pats itself on the back for disabling coverage in a specific area like in DS, you have to acknowledge that the show would go on either way. and its still a significantly less loss of life/resources then letting airborne attempt to stay relevant

jump out a plane, grab the t-shirt, fukk bad bytches - but that shyt is nothing more than elaborate song and dance to remember old times fondly

This is one of those coversations that goes no where. I get it we could wipe any one out with a nuclear strike and be done with it. We have nukes and don't use them.

These terrorist wars require millions of little shoot outs. That's the only kind of war we are fighting for the foreseeable future. We could litterally destroy most of our nukes right now we aren't planning to use them and neither is any nuclear power.

 

[Wiseborn]

I need a good Iraq documentary to watch y’all got me excited for no reason

Gunnar Palace

 

[Wiseborn]

to add - if it weren't for the Brits and French doing a monstrous amount of heavy lifting through bloody insurgent work and keeping the Nazi's disrupted and supporting the US (who took their SWEET time getting there btw), those WW2 GIs would be in mass graves and germany would be speaking russian

that red carpet isn't gonna be there ever again

You're talking about wars that will never happen again. By that logic we could reduce the military by half and just let the bombers. and subs go after terrorists deep in the heart of the Sahel.

 

[Wiseborn]

You’re a sitting duck in a helo on your entry and exit but hopefully the gunship support is covering you

It's kinda pointless explaining shyt to some people. I mean cats are saying the whole concept of Airborne ops doesn't make sense against terrorists holed up in villages. Not just static line but Freefall and LALO too.

 

[NatiboyB]

It's kinda pointless explaining shyt to some people. I mean cats are saying the whole concept of Airborne ops doesn't make sense against terrorists holed up in villages. Not just static line but Freefall and LALO too.

everything has it's time and place. People don't understand it's a difference between taking land vs holding land vs a target strike. To some it all means the same thing.