Mike & Mike + Mark Schlereth unanimously agree Luck is Rookie of the Year

[Tom Shady]

Debate will be settled this weekend, when RG3 gets eliminated at home and Luck goes into b-more and wins and sends ray murder into retirement.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

the problem is that that RG3 and Wilson could fall off and have horrible years next season, it has NOTHING to do with the OROY voting THIS season.

but that's how they think, and it's not really even about them falling off, it's about if that type of play sticks league wide, the media will appreiate it more, right now, they don't. they still love/more highly value the manning/brady/brees passer, you don't change that train of thought in 1-2 seasons, thus the reason media pundits keep making "excuses" and caping for Luck

 

[Deflatedhoopdreams]

All great points. I wouldn't be mad if Luck won it based on those points you just made.

 

[mastermind]

you missed my point, they are plugging Luck into a Manning system more than you have RGIII being plugged into one established system...

its not the same system. Luck and Manning are ran two completely different offenses.

And it hasnt worked.

We'll take care of Luck this weekend and seal the deal for RG3's ROY

Debate will be settled this weekend, when RG3 gets eliminated at home and Luck goes into b-more and wins and sends ray murder into retirement.

the award voting already took place, iirc

but that's how they think, and it's not really even about them falling off, it's about if that type of play sticks league wide, the media will appreiate it more, right now, they don't. they still love/more highly value the manning/brady/brees passer, you don't change that train of thought in 1-2 seasons, thus the reason media pundits keep making "excuses" and caping for Luck

but its not about train of thought or what will work long term, its about play this season.

The NFL draft was about long term views, the ROY awards are only based on the play this season and that alone.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

its not the same system. Luck and Manning are ran two completely different offenses.

And it hasnt worked.



the award voting already took place, iirc


but its not about train of thought or what will work long term, its about play this season.

The NFL draft was about long term views, the ROY awards are only based on the play this season and that alone.

All jokes aside, RG3 should win the ROY for this year's performance


But I'd still take Luck if I were to pick who I want for my team's QB for the next decade

 

[Trip]

Strongest part of Lucks game this season is that he throws the ball down the field...its a high risk offense that's worked out and is why his completion #'s arent great.

 

[Jesus]

You take Luck out of Indy, they'd be a 2 win team with Stanton.

If you take Russell out of Seattle, they'd still beast with their D and Beast Mode.

If you take RG3 out of DC, you'd still have the beast running game and they'd probably win more games with Cousins than the Colts would with Stanton.

 

[SafeForWork]

Cacs on cacs on cacs

Reported, boy.

 

[TheNig]

Colts are by far the most overrated team this season....and I love Luck as a player...but he's not the rookie of the year.

If the Lions underachieved, you can make a strong ass case that the Colts overachieved.

 

[SafeForWork]

yup. Thats all it is.


Those in the media thought Luck would win OROY of the year before the season started, shoot even before his last season at Stanford. They will ignore every bit of evidence and still ride for Andrew Luck. Just like they all believed he would win the heisman last year and clung to that despite RG3 having an all time season.

I remember they were using the QBR bullshyt saying Luck was better because of that. When RG3 passed him there they started citing the wins. RG3 is now NFC BEast division champ, so they are clinging to the turnaround the Colts have had, despite them having a very easy schedule and the Redskins turn around also being remarkable (remember, no playoff appearance since 2007, no division title since 1999, and they were 3-6).

I can accept The Fiasco being the OROY, but I cannot accept Andrew Luck. He has been the 5th best offensive rookie this season. Not even in the discussion.

You are ridiculous. Luck has them intellectually beat. That sums it up.

 

[NYC Rebel]

You are ridiculous. Luck has them intellectually beat. That sums it up.

Don't feed the troll.....

**ignored**

 

[Trip]

If the Lions underachieved, you can make a strong ass case that the Colts overachieved.

yeah agreed

Football Outsiders called the Colts the worst 11-5 team in their history of tracking DVOA

On the other hand, we've got the Indianapolis Colts, otherwise known as "the worst 11-5 team in NFL history." I don't mean to take anything away from the Colts' big win over Houston yesterday. The Colts get 54.3% DVOA for that game, by far their best single-game DVOA of the season. It was enough to raise them up almost five percentage points, and they went from 28th to 25th. But this is still the worst 11-5 team ever. The Colts have -16.0% DVOA, making them the first team to ever go 11-5 with a DVOA below -10%. The only other teams to go 11-5 with negative DVOA were the 2000 Vikings (-6.3%), the 2004 Falcons (-4.8%), and the 2005 Bears (-0.9%). In fact, even if they had lost to Houston on Sunday, the Colts would be the first team to ever go 10-6 with DVOA below -10%.
Would you prefer simple points scored and allowed to complicated DVOA? OK, well, the Colts were the first 11-5 team ever to be outscored by their opponents, 387-357. The difference between the Colts' regular winning percentage and Pythagorean winning percentage, .238, is the second-highest since the AFL-NFL merger. The only team with a bigger gap was the 1992 Indianapolis Colts, who went 9-7 despite being outscored 302-216. That Colts team had a -27.2% DVOA. They were 1-15 the year before and 4-12 the year after. I have a feeling that the 2013 Colts won't be that bad, because they're going to get improvement from their young quarterback and they'll draft a lot of talent on defense, but their luck will regress even if their Luck does not. The Colts are also unlikely to play the league's easiest schedule again.


The Colts do not have the worst DVOA of any playoff team ever. Three teams were worse: the 2004 Rams (-27.2%), the 2010 Seahawks (-22.9%), and the 1998 Cardinals (-17.1%). All three of those teams won their first playoff game anyway.
The flip side of the Colts would be the Detroit Lions, who went 4-12 despite finishing 16th in DVOA. The Lions had 6.4 Pythagorean wins, and went 3-9 in games decided by a touchdown or less.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

but its not about train of thought or what will work long term, its about play this season.

The NFL draft was about long term views, the ROY awards are only based on the play this season and that alone.

you can try to argue about how it's solely based on this season and #'s, but your thoughts shape the way you see play this season and thus your vote. they see 3 guys who played well, but they understand and compensate for why Luck doesn't have the same numbers and they use their train of thought to validate why they think Luck is the winner. train of thought/opinion go hand in hand with how you see the numbers, this is nothing new, except for it's ya boy RGIII in the mix (and you know I got a pony in this one too)

 

[paidNfull]

Cacs on cacs on cacs

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

Reported, boy.

Boy? Lookherenikka

Whats the problem, coloreds cant post here?