Microsoft vs Sony; who can afford to hold out longest regarding price announcement?

[PS5 Pro]

Technically DYNAMIC 4K targeting 60fps for Gears 5 on Xbox One X.

It is native 4k thru the majority of of it hence the term "technically" instead of "it's checkerboard"

But if they got so much money and can easily afford to offset costs, then Kinect shouldn’t matter should it?

Who said it does? Oh right, you did and do. All the broke Sony only gamers deemed Kinect bad for business. If Microsoft couldn't handle it there wouldn't be a series x that will cost the same as the weaker ps5. They running a business, it's not wise to just do whatever because they can afford to

 

[winb83]

Sony easily. They're going to outsell XSX with ease regardless worldwide.

as long as the systems aren't more than 499, they'll be fine.

don't know why both are acting like clowns with this shyt.

To Sony PlayStation is the company. To Microsoft Xbox is maybe their 4th major business. Microsoft has like twice Sony's entire market cap sitting on the blanace sheet in cash and assets. Not only can they afford to wait longer than Sony they can afford to undercut them. Sony should just get this over with because if Microsoft wants to undercut them they'll do so.

 

[winb83]

Y’all keep saying M$ has more money but it’s only what they will allocate to the Xbox gaming division.

For all we know Sony’s budget is bigger because of this gens success while M$ forecasted a smaller budget because of the One X shyt performance.

If they were constantly throwing money at this we’d be having Zune phones right now.

Zune was a failed product Xbox isn't. A division has to make enough to justify itself. Business is about growth more than anything. If you have to burn some capital to grow whe brand then you do that if the brand shows potential.

Fanboys look at this like Xbox has a goal of beat Sony when it's really a goal of grow the brand and keep the CEO and shareholders happy. It doesn't really matter who sells the most as long as they keep their jobs.

 

[Batsute]

Zune was a failed product Xbox isn't. A division has to make enough to justify itself. Business is about growth more than anything. If you have to burn some capital to grow whe brand then you do that if the brand shows potential.

Fanboys look at this like Xbox has a goal of beat Sony when it's really a goal of grow the brand and keep the CEO and shareholders happy. It doesn't really matter who sells the most as long as they keep their jobs.

You make a lot of valid points but youre wrong about growing the brand. Xbox had all the goodwill snd installed user base with the 360. They shouldnt have to grow a 20 year old brand and if they are thinking that then they lost this generation too.

If they werent concerned about beating Sony the console wouldnt tout itself as the most powerful console. Make no mistake they are directly competing with Sony, M$ value proposition is that we have the cloud and GaaS as a vertical to entice you away from PS5.

I said it in another thread but ill state it here. The reintegration of the gaming division signals that there are some serious issues going on at the leadership level; Halo Infinite, AAA studio buying and failed peripherals.

 

[Kingshango]

At this point it a matter of who's gonna break the $599 USD news first.

 

[winb83]

You make a lot of valid points but youre wrong about growing the brand. Xbox had all the goodwill snd installed user base with the 360. They shouldnt have to grow a 20 year old brand and if they are thinking that then they lost this generation too.

If they werent concerned about beating Sony the console wouldnt tout itself as the most powerful console. Make no mistake they are directly competing with Sony, M$ value proposition is that we have the cloud and GaaS as a vertical to entice you away from PS5.

I said it in another thread but ill state it here. The reintegration of the gaming division signals that there are some serious issues going on at the leadership level; Halo Infinite, AAA studio buying and failed peripherals.

Capitalism is forever about growth. When the quarterly and annual reports come out you need the brand growing. If it did x billion this year then you want it to do say 10% better than that next year. Selling more consoles than the others certainly helps but that isn't the only way you can present growth to the shareholders.

All things equal Sony will always outsell Microsoft because PlayStation is a more global brand than Xbox. Also Microsoft is more focused on Xbox as a service than anything. xCloud and Game Pass are their future.

 

[Brian O'Conner]

Imagine shilling for a giant corp to take over the game biz

 

[Batsute]

Capitalism is forever about growth. When the quarterly and annual reports come out you need the brand growing. If it did x billion this year then you want it to do say 10% better than that next year. Selling more consoles than the others certainly helps but that isn't the only way you can present growth to the shareholders.

All things equal Sony will always outsell Microsoft because PlayStation is a more global brand than Xbox. Also Microsoft is more focused on Xbox as a service than anything. xCloud and Game Pass are their future.

You looking at this at the most basic of levels. Growth equal market share you can grow 100% year after year but if that market share isn’t there $100 in 4 % market share is nothing. Right now M$ needs huge market share to get the cloud adoption rates up. While they are foreseeing a future with GaaS they have a uphill battle, convincing the older demographic to give up physical ownership, Apple & Google App Stores’ TOS, and PC gaming. The only way they do that is wiping the stench off the Xbone off, but the Series X is looking more of the same for at least 2-3 years.

It’s not all things equal breh Microsoft won the 7th gen war with a objectively poor performance in Japan. The Xbox brand is everywhere it’s saturated the market it has deals with Mountain Dew and Taco Bell. It’s the perception of the brand that’s the problem.

 

[winb83]

You looking at this at the most basic of levels. Growth equal market share you can grow 100% year after year but if that market share isn’t there $100 in 4 % market share is nothing. Right now M$ needs huge market share to get the cloud adoption rates up. While they are foreseeing a future with GaaS they have a uphill battle, convincing the older demographic to give up physical ownership, Apple & Google App Stores’ TOS, and PC gaming. The only way they do that is wiping the stench off the Xbone off, but the Series X is looking more of the same for at least 2-3 years.

It’s not all things equal breh Microsoft won the 7th gen war with a objectively poor performance in Japan. The Xbox brand is everywhere it’s saturated the market it has deals with Mountain Dew and Taco Bell. It’s the perception of the brand that’s the problem.

The PlayStation 3 came out at $600 a year later and when the generation ended it outsold the Xbox 360.

The Xbox on equal footing can't outsell PlayStation. Xbox is a regional brand. PlayStation is far more global. Microsoft has never outsold Sony in any generation.

 

[Rekkapryde]

To Sony PlayStation is the company. To Microsoft Xbox is maybe their 4th major business. Microsoft has like twice Sony's entire market cap sitting on the blanace sheet in cash and assets. Not only can they afford to wait longer than Sony they can afford to undercut them. Sony should just get this over with because if Microsoft wants to undercut them they'll do so.

PlayStation is definitely more important for Sony but it doesbt account for half of their business like yall claim it is. I've had their stock since right before the official ps4 announcement. Last time I checked it was like 27% of their revenue.

This whole MS has so much money argument isnt valid because they could have undercut so many competitors over the years with that logic.

 

[Batsute]

The PlayStation 3 came out at $600 a year later and when the generation ended it outsold the Xbox 360.

The Xbox on equal footing can't outsell PlayStation. Xbox is a regional brand. PlayStation is far more global. Microsoft has never outsold Sony in any generation.

Breh you’re being disingenuous as hell, in terms of cumulative yea, but not when during the ongoing 7th gen cycles. M$ had the FGC and competitive gaming on lock and it’s highest market saturation ever. You wanna say cumulative ok, they only lost by 3 mil in one of the longest console cycles.

They had all the brand recognition and momentum to be number 1 this cycle WITHOUT Japan and won the US market hands down. More units sold does not equal more revenue when you consider who has the most buying power.

Again you’re comparing apples to apples and fail to look at Marco and Marco economic factors that contribute to both share of customer’s wallets.

 

[winb83]

Breh you’re being disingenuous as hell, in terms of cumulative yea, but not when during the ongoing 7th gen cycles. M$ had the FGC and competitive gaming on lock and it’s highest market saturation ever. You wanna say cumulative ok, they only lost by 3 mil in one of the longest console cycles.

They had all the brand recognition and momentum to be number 1 this cycle WITHOUT Japan and won the US market hands down. More units sold does not equal more revenue when you consider who has the most buying power.

Again you’re comparing apples to apples and fail to look at Marco and Marco economic factors that contribute to both share of customer’s wallets.

You're being disingenuous. Regionally in the US the 360 did great but globally the PS3 passed it in sales. That's what I said. The PlayStation all things equal will always outsell the Xbox globally. The PS3 was a royal screw up for Sony because of that price. Also note that neither the 360 or PS3 caught up to or outsold the Wii. Xbox as a brand just can't outsell PlayStation. Not without Sony screwing up bad like Nintendo did to give Sony their current position. Even still there are regions the Xbox just won't sell at all in. They'll always be at a disadvantage.

 

[Batsute]

You're being disingenuous. Regionally in the US the 360 did great but globally the PS3 passed it in sales. That's what I said. The PlayStation all things equal will always outsell the Xbox globally. The PS3 was a royal screw up for Sony because of that price. Also note that neither the 360 or PS3 caught up to or outsold the Wii. Xbox as a brand just can't outsell PlayStation. Not without Sony screwing up bad like Nintendo did to give Sony their current position. Even still there are regions the Xbox just won't sell at all in. They'll always be at a disadvantage.

No offense but it’s obvious you don’t have a firm grasp on Marco, microeconomics, and general marketing strategy. We just going in circles if you can’t even acknowledge share of wallet and buying power.

Have a good day breh.

 

[winb83]

No offense but it’s obvious you don’t have a firm grasp on Marco, microeconomics, and general marketing strategy. We just going in circles if you can’t even acknowledge share of wallet and buying power.

Have a good day breh.

All things equal Microsoft will never outsell Sony. They have in fact never outsold them. They have also almost never taken them on at equal footing either.

PS3 comes out with an excessive price a year later and by the end of the generation it still outsold the 360 globally.

Xbox One comes out with an excessive price at the same time and by the end of the generation it was beaten so bad Microsoft decided to hide the sales numbers on their reports but we know the One likely didn't sell more than half what the PS4 did.

The only time Microsoft had any real success against Sony is when they got a product out a year in advance and had a huge price advantage that they maintained most of the generation.

The PlayStation brand is too strong and the market wants to converge to a single brand. The Xbox brand has a limited appeal in both regions globally and the types of games it can attract and sell. That's why Sony can get some 3rd party exclusive games simply for the fact that the Xbox crowd is completely uninterested in them.

Nothing you've said has discretided anything I've said.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Microsoft = The Long Game

The goal is to blur the lines of PC/Xbox/Mobile to where it becomes a singular platform. The idea of winning the living room has moved on because we as people don't always consume media in our living room. Wherever you have a screen, they want to reach you at. As long as you can provide content when and where people want it, that's all that matters. Microsoft is going to beat Sony to that eventual destination by quite a bit. That is the next frontier of gaming. I don't like the idea of a digital only future but I'm just one man that sees the inevitability of it.