bad examples breh.You dudes really be talking out ya ass. Only dude out those 3 have a legit argument is MJ. I get giving respect to those that came before but no. In the sense bball Kareem and Bill are NOT better than bron. Not better passers, not better ball handlers, not better scorer, not better defenders(cause they couldn’t guard wings), and the list goes on. When you think that Bron is the all time scoring leader and also top 4 assist leader. That’s like Tom Brady being the all time passing leader, td leader, and also 4th all time rusher(not just qb). Like we got stop trynna move the goal post on him. When we all dead and gone he gonna be remembered by the numbers. You dudes keep mentions a TEAM accolade with chips. It takes more than one player to win chips in the nba. This ain’t tennis
Tom Brady isn't the GOAT just because of his stats. He's the GOAT because he has stats and RINGS. More than any QB ever. (before him it was Joe Montana, and rightly so)
Wayne Gretzky is the GOAT because his individual stats are god-like AND he has a winning record with 2 franchises. (People make the argument for Bobby Orr, but even oldheads bow before Gretzky and called him "The Great One")
You CANNOT be the Greatest Of All Time with just stats. You gotta win when it matters. LeBron did not. Excuses aren't remembered. No one remembers the Seahawks not rushing to the endzone. They remember Tom Brady winning his FOURTH superbowl.
I mean, forget about us, as people on the internet and fans of the game. Look at players in the league and hall of famers. They respect LeBron as a player, but majority of them have not called him the GOAT or showed respect like they do for MJ. They actually played in the league, they know ball and ball history. If they aren't calling him the GOAT, why would he be?
"I always look at it, would I rather not make the playoffs or lose in The Finals? I don't know. I've missed the playoffs twice. I lost in The Finals four times. I'm almost starting to be like I'd rather not even make the playoffs than to lose in The Finals. It would hurt a lot easier if I just didn't make the playoffs and I didn't have a shot at it." - LeBron JamesI think Jordan is the greatest but I will always point out the intellectual dishonesty of this argument. Unless you're going to tell sprinters that it's better to finish 5th than 2nd, or NFL players its better to lose in the divisional round than the Super Bowl, the idea that its worse to make it further is stupid and ONLY applied to LeBron. By definition each year you either win the chip or you don't, so even Jordan 'lost more championships than he won'. If the point is winning then getting to the Finals is better than not getting to the Finals. It's soooooo stupid to hold up Finals losses like those are worse for LeBron than Jordan's playoff losses are to him.
LeBron James said 'it's very difficult' to talk after championship loss, a feeling Cam Newton knows well
LeBron James has been in Cam Newton's shoes and handled it differently, but he's nevertheless issued some doozies following Finals losses.
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It isn't disingenuous. If you've played any level of real sport or competition, you'd rather just lose on the way to the finals in the playoffs and prepare for the next year. Getting to a finals and losing hurts massively. Doing it 6 times out of 10 is devastating. I agree with LeBron on that sentiment and he voices that sentiment because he knows how it looks on his resume and how it reflects on his hard work and legacy.
Finals losses are worse. No one cares that you came in 2nd or more. Messi just won his first and probably last world cup. He was going to retire if he didn't win it last year because he'd been there 4 times before. Losing 4 world cups is mental. You get a chance every 4 years, make it to the finals and lose. That's mentally taxing. Messi is not my GOAT, but I can respect people who say he is because of the degree of difficulty to win a world cup vs other sports. You don't get many chances for that trophy.