Micheal Jordan pointing out the obvious about Lebron James :mjlol:

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You dudes really be talking out ya ass. Only dude out those 3 have a legit argument is MJ. I get giving respect to those that came before but no. In the sense bball Kareem and Bill are NOT better than bron. Not better passers, not better ball handlers, not better scorer, not better defenders(cause they couldn’t guard wings), and the list goes on. When you think that Bron is the all time scoring leader and also top 4 assist leader. That’s like Tom Brady being the all time passing leader, td leader, and also 4th all time rusher(not just qb). Like we got stop trynna move the goal post on him. When we all dead and gone he gonna be remembered by the numbers. You dudes keep mentions a TEAM accolade with chips. It takes more than one player to win chips in the nba. This ain’t tennis 🤦🏽‍♂️
bad examples breh.

Tom Brady isn't the GOAT just because of his stats. He's the GOAT because he has stats and RINGS. More than any QB ever. (before him it was Joe Montana, and rightly so)
Wayne Gretzky is the GOAT because his individual stats are god-like AND he has a winning record with 2 franchises. (People make the argument for Bobby Orr, but even oldheads bow before Gretzky and called him "The Great One")


You CANNOT be the Greatest Of All Time with just stats. You gotta win when it matters. LeBron did not. Excuses aren't remembered. No one remembers the Seahawks not rushing to the endzone. They remember Tom Brady winning his FOURTH superbowl.

I mean, forget about us, as people on the internet and fans of the game. Look at players in the league and hall of famers. They respect LeBron as a player, but majority of them have not called him the GOAT or showed respect like they do for MJ. They actually played in the league, they know ball and ball history. If they aren't calling him the GOAT, why would he be?
I think Jordan is the greatest but I will always point out the intellectual dishonesty of this argument. Unless you're going to tell sprinters that it's better to finish 5th than 2nd, or NFL players its better to lose in the divisional round than the Super Bowl, the idea that its worse to make it further is stupid and ONLY applied to LeBron. By definition each year you either win the chip or you don't, so even Jordan 'lost more championships than he won'. If the point is winning then getting to the Finals is better than not getting to the Finals. It's soooooo stupid to hold up Finals losses like those are worse for LeBron than Jordan's playoff losses are to him.
"I always look at it, would I rather not make the playoffs or lose in The Finals? I don't know. I've missed the playoffs twice. I lost in The Finals four times. I'm almost starting to be like I'd rather not even make the playoffs than to lose in The Finals. It would hurt a lot easier if I just didn't make the playoffs and I didn't have a shot at it." - LeBron James


It isn't disingenuous. If you've played any level of real sport or competition, you'd rather just lose on the way to the finals in the playoffs and prepare for the next year. Getting to a finals and losing hurts massively. Doing it 6 times out of 10 is devastating. I agree with LeBron on that sentiment and he voices that sentiment because he knows how it looks on his resume and how it reflects on his hard work and legacy.

Finals losses are worse. No one cares that you came in 2nd or more. Messi just won his first and probably last world cup. He was going to retire if he didn't win it last year because he'd been there 4 times before. Losing 4 world cups is mental. You get a chance every 4 years, make it to the finals and lose. That's mentally taxing. Messi is not my GOAT, but I can respect people who say he is because of the degree of difficulty to win a world cup vs other sports. You don't get many chances for that trophy.
 

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Lebron wouldn’t survive MJ’s era”

MJ’s era:

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Mahorn before the Pistons you literally posted his rookie season but that's his era yeah you Gen Z.
 

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I tell you what, I firmly believe LeBron would have been a better player if he was in Jordan's era. The way the game was called (allowing a little more physicality), the slowness to it, that's more LeBron's style. The flopping in the league during LeBron's time has been comical.

On another note, all the Kobe stans gonna be upset, but if LeBron played with Shaq, they would have had much more success, probably never split, and just dominated.
You said alot of bullshyt but Lebron and Shaq not breaking up and getting dumb rings together is true ..they're both light hearted and goofy at times
Nah. Lebron takes great pride in his health and fitness. Even though LeBron wasn’t as outwardly intense as Kobe, LeBron is noted for spending millions of dollars on his body and he always keeps his physique right. Shaq in that 04 season when he was heavier and started to show signs of decline, would’ve had LeBron posting passive aggressive stuff. And eventually bron would’ve high tailed it outta there, same as he did when Wade declined and bron went back to Cleveland. :yeshrug:
 

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You old heads are bats shyt insane if you think MJ would average 50 when the greatest shooter of all time in Steph couldn’t even average that shyt

"Scoring 30 points in a Euroleague game, it's harder than in an NBA game, 100% percent. I'm just saying this because of the rules.

In Europe, if you have a guy like Rudy Gobert, for example, he can stay in the paint for three seconds however he wants. Just because of that rule, here in the NBA, you can have ten more points easily". - Luka Doncic

Luka is currently averaging 33, 9, and 9. almost a triple double. It is easier to score in the current NBA than ever. The rules are soft and players have more time to score. Not the same as Jordan's era
 

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So how the fukk does this being "even an argument" prove LeBron is the GOAT?:dahell:
Ain’t no one GOAT in a team game. Phil Jackson might be a Goat coach tho. I wonder how many GOAT coaches LeBron played for? In basketball people are always changing up the prerequisites/ qualifications.

One thing is for sure… LeBron played against better talent… And his teams were never the favorites to win. The Bulls were always the favorites. When they play the Lakers in the finals, they suffered two major injuries; Byron Scott and James Worthy. Magic subsequently retired due to HIV. Isaiah Thomas retire in 91 and Larry bird retired in 92.
 

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"Scoring 30 points in a Euroleague game, it's harder than in an NBA game, 100% percent. I'm just saying this because of the rules.

In Europe, if you have a guy like Rudy Gobert, for example, he can stay in the paint for three seconds however he wants. Just because of that rule, here in the NBA, you can have ten more points easily". - Luka Doncic

Luka is currently averaging 33, 9, and 9. almost a triple double. It is easier to score in the current NBA than ever. The rules are soft and players have more time to score. Not the same as Jordan's era

Ain’t no one GOAT in a team game. Phil Jackson might be a Goat coach tho. I wonder how many GOAT coaches LeBron played for? In basketball people are always changing up the prerequisites/ qualifications.

One thing is for sure… LeBron played against better talent… And his teams were never the favorites to win. The Bulls were always the favorites. When they play the Lakers in the finals, they suffered two major injuries; Byron Scott and James Worthy. Magic subsequently retired due to HIV. Isaiah Thomas retire in 91 and Larry bird retired in 92.

Players are better now. KD molded in the 70s 80s would be playing like Robert Parrish
 

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The bottom line is this:

Lebron has blemishes on his resume that Jordan doesn’t.

Lebron, in his prime, led his Cleveland Cavaliers to the number one seed in the eastern conference in 2009 and 2010. Both years he choked and got bounced out of the playoffs by inferior teams (Orlando then Boston). He followed that by joining a fellow MVP candidate (Dwayne Wade) and another All star (Chris Bosh). They got to the finals, but Lebron played poorly in those finals and lost to a team with only one superstar (Dirk).

Two years after that, he played extremely poorly down the stretch of an elimination game against the Spurs in the finals (game 6). Luckily, Ray Allen hit that shot that saved their season.

It doesn’t matter that Lebron only has 4 rings to Jordan’s 6. It doesn’t matter that Lebron has more finals losses than wins. What matters is that he choked when he was the top dog and was expected to win.

You CAN’T be the goat with that on your resume.

bad examples breh.

Tom Brady isn't the GOAT just because of his stats. He's the GOAT because he has stats and RINGS. More than any QB ever. (before him it was Joe Montana, and rightly so)
Wayne Gretzky is the GOAT because his individual stats are god-like AND he has a winning record with 2 franchises. (People make the argument for Bobby Orr, but even oldheads bow before Gretzky and called him "The Great One")


You CANNOT be the Greatest Of All Time with just stats. You gotta win when it matters. LeBron did not. Excuses aren't remembered. No one remembers the Seahawks not rushing to the endzone. They remember Tom Brady winning his FOURTH superbowl.

I mean, forget about us, as people on the internet and fans of the game. Look at players in the league and hall of famers. They respect LeBron as a player, but majority of them have not called him the GOAT or showed respect like they do for MJ. They actually played in the league, they know ball and ball history. If they aren't calling him the GOAT, why would he be?

"I always look at it, would I rather not make the playoffs or lose in The Finals? I don't know. I've missed the playoffs twice. I lost in The Finals four times. I'm almost starting to be like I'd rather not even make the playoffs than to lose in The Finals. It would hurt a lot easier if I just didn't make the playoffs and I didn't have a shot at it." - LeBron James


It isn't disingenuous. If you've played any level of real sport or competition, you'd rather just lose on the way to the finals in the playoffs and prepare for the next year. Getting to a finals and losing hurts massively. Doing it 6 times out of 10 is devastating. I agree with LeBron on that sentiment and he voices that sentiment because he knows how it looks on his resume and how it reflects on his hard work and legacy.

Finals losses are worse. No one cares that you came in 2nd or more. Messi just won his first and probably last world cup. He was going to retire if he didn't win it last year because he'd been there 4 times before. Losing 4 world cups is mental. You get a chance every 4 years, make it to the finals and lose. That's mentally taxing. Messi is not my GOAT, but I can respect people who say he is because of the degree of difficulty to win a world cup vs other sports. You don't get many chances for that trophy.

Ain’t no one GOAT in a team game. Phil Jackson might be a Goat coach tho. I wonder how many GOAT coaches LeBron played for? In basketball people are always changing up the prerequisites/ qualifications.

One thing is for sure… LeBron played against better talent… And his teams were never the favorites to win. The Bulls were always the favorites. When they play the Lakers in the finals, they suffered two major injuries; Byron Scott and James Worthy. Magic subsequently retired due to HIV. Isaiah Thomas retire in 91 and Larry bird retired in 92.
But he the GOAT so they should've been favorite.
 
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Nah. Lebron takes great pride in his health and fitness. Even though LeBron wasn’t as outwardly intense as Kobe, LeBron is noted for spending millions of dollars on his body and he always keeps his physique right. Shaq in that 04 season when he was heavier and started to show signs of decline, would’ve had LeBron posting passive aggressive stuff. And eventually bron would’ve high tailed it outta there, same as he did when Wade declined and bron went back to Cleveland. :yeshrug:
Yea that's understood I was speaking on his personality...he seem more cool and laid back. And I think Shaq woulda stayed more focus with Bron woulda been easier to talk to and more relatable
 

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"Scoring 30 points in a Euroleague game, it's harder than in an NBA game, 100% percent. I'm just saying this because of the rules.

In Europe, if you have a guy like Rudy Gobert, for example, he can stay in the paint for three seconds however he wants. Just because of that rule, here in the NBA, you can have ten more points easily". - Luka Doncic

Luka is currently averaging 33, 9, and 9. almost a triple double. It is easier to score in the current NBA than ever. The rules are soft and players have more time to score. Not the same as Jordan's era
Jordan averaged so much cause of the context in which he played. Karl Malone is quite literally the reason why you guys look to be senile. I can’t even believe you thought this was a valid argument
 

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Ain’t no one GOAT in a team game. Phil Jackson might be a Goat coach tho. I wonder how many GOAT coaches LeBron played for? In basketball people are always changing up the prerequisites/ qualifications.

One thing is for sure… LeBron played against better talent… And his teams were never the favorites to win. The Bulls were always the favorites. When they play the Lakers in the finals, they suffered two major injuries; Byron Scott and James Worthy. Magic subsequently retired due to HIV. Isaiah Thomas retire in 91 and Larry bird retired in 92.
There's one reason the Bulls were always the favorites:mjgrin:
 
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