Micheal Jordan pointing out the obvious about Lebron James :mjlol:

[Bryan Danielson]

This whole post varies from unlikely to ridiculous.

Which part?

Environment and era will shape things

These already unlikely to ridiculous theories to straight up hate ain’t gonna work without the basic TIME logic.

This isn’t gonna be a Lebron that was born in 84, grew up playing with Melo, CP3 and others, at the day of his draft all of a sudden is teleported back to 84 or 85 when the only media was the paper & radio, the NBA finals was still on tape delay and is in that draft with Barkley, Akeem, Stockton and etc.

Or Vice versa, a country MJ in who grew up in a racist Jim Crown era south playing against Ewing, Worthy and etc all of a sudden on his draft day (on some after credit scene Captain America 1) wake up to a more technological world of 2003 with bigger media and social media and now is coming out with Wade, Bosh, David West and etc.

We gotta have the reality grounded a little better before we take these takes breh

I’m sorry I’m taking the fun out of this and I know niccas wanted to used this as another vehicle to over praise one player and hate on the other. But this shyt had to be grounded to work

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I think both players would still be really good, Bron probably slightly even better due to what he’d experienced.

MJ slightly less due to maybe more distractions, easier accessible ho’s (MJ love him some PAWGs) and constant vile criticism

 

[Roid Jones]

MJ is saying 'hey don't get too close'

 

[Diondon]

Bron stans and their fantasies

 

[Originalman]

claim to be a student of the game and post the most rudimentary analysis brehs. No mention of the strength of the league when these players played, the role expansion played in the quality of the league, caliber of opponents, quality of supporting casts, etc.. Nope. I guess it also doesn't matter that Lebron lost less in the earlier in the rounds of the playoffs than Kareem and Jordan. in the minds of casuals he would have more of a GOAT claim if he lost in the first round multiple times like Jordan instead of losing in the finals to the KD Warriors

I saw damn near all of MJs career games growing up in Chicago and watched pretty much 99.9% of the games he played during the bulls 6 championships. And like most kids that time growing up in Chicago I had all the Bulls/MJs posters / pictures on the wall, Tribune / Sun times news paper articles on the Bulls, video taped every bulls playoff championship run, could recite all of MJ stats by heart and foolishly had a closet full of them overpriced dumb ass Jordans.

It always amazes me how dumb this argument is when folks don't take into account what you mentioned in your post or the fact that MJs requirements (scoring and defensive stopper) on the court were far less than Lebron's requirements (scoring, defensive stopper from positions 1 thru 5, facilitator, rebounder and at times rim protector) or the fact that MJ had what many will argue as a top 3 coach of all time (who won multiple championships with and without MJ) and some might say Phil is at least the 2nd greatest coach after Red Auerbach.

I always considered these goat discussions in basketball and football dumb cause they always omit the requirements of the player and the coach the player has. The more requirements a player has the harder it is to win....Wilt said this very thing till the day he died.

Whether you like Lebron as a player or not.....no player is going to multiple finals and winning multiple championships with the coaches Lebron has had (yeah yeah I know about spo but he isn't touching Phil or any top ten coach of all time). Lebron literally took a Euroleague bum coach to a got damn finals who didn't know shyt but how to fly jets. Lebron in his prime was / is the ultimate cheat code and the closes thing to Wilt we have ever seen as a player that can do everything on the court, but who is also cerebral like Magic and Bird.

 

[Bop Gun]

You said alot of bullshyt but Lebron and Shaq not breaking up and getting dumb rings together is true ..they're both light hearted and goofy at times

Truth.

People are mixing up Jordan's success/resume with his physical ability. If you take Jordan's mindset and give it to LeBron....Bron probably has 10 rings and 45k points by now.

Bron was always more like Magic. Competitive, oversized point guard that could lead a team with versatility. They're just not borderline nuts like Jordan and Kobe.

Bron will flop and do shyt because that's what the game is today. Why do folks think a breh the size of Karl Malone with MJ athletic ability is gonna be soft in the 80s? He would dribble right past Rodman, Dumars, Laimbeer and Mahorn and tomahawk dunk. They elbow him for being a showboat and he'd do it again.

They could fukk with 210 lb MJ. They not fukking with 260 lb Bron.. let's not kid ourselves.

And yeah Bron makes it work with Shaq. Probably nudges Dr. Buss into adding another piece. Dude would average 10 dimes a game just feeding Shaq.

When I said LeBron would have been better if he played in Jordan's era, I meant LeBron would be an improved version of himself.

MJ will always be the GOAT.

 

[DrexlersFade]

Bron stans and their fantasies

Brehs in here talking about MJ would've had to deal with social media forgetting MJ would've barely got touched and had screens to use on every possession they way he used to split double teams with no screens are second to none.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I think Jordan is the greatest but I will always point out the intellectual dishonesty of this argument. Unless you're going to tell sprinters that it's better to finish 5th than 2nd, or NFL players its better to lose in the divisional round than the Super Bowl, the idea that its worse to make it further is stupid and ONLY applied to LeBron. By definition each year you either win the chip or you don't, so even Jordan 'lost more championships than he won'. If the point is winning then getting to the Finals is better than not getting to the Finals. It's soooooo stupid to hold up Finals losses like those are worse for LeBron than Jordan's playoff losses are to him.

Its always, ALWAYS been the standard.

ALWAYS.

LeBron fans tried to turn it around.

For example, why aren't teams like the Buffalo Bills talked about as one of the greatest teams of all time. Nobody mentions them like that. Bills went to four Superbowls. This means they won more than 95% of teams in NFL history. According to your logic, its better to go to Four Superbowls and lose than it is to get 1 Superbowl ring but, never make the playoffs again. I promise you NOBODY in Buffalo agrees with that dumbass logic breh. They would all want the ring.

 

[DrexlersFade]

Its always, ALWAYS been the standard.

ALWAYS.

LeBron fans tried to turn it around.

For example, why aren't teams like the Buffalo Bills talked about as one of the greatest teams of all time. Nobody mentions them like that. Bills went to four Superbowls. This means they won more than 95% of teams in NFL history. According to your logic, its better to go to Four Superbowls and lose than it is to get 1 Superbowl ring but, never make the playoffs again. I promise you NOBODY in Buffalo agrees with that dumbass logic breh. They would all want the ring.

This is 100 percent on point they are so ridiculous.

 

[Dave24]

@murksiderock

@Soldier

 

[DrexlersFade]

@murksiderock

@Soldier

Any win you Stanley's can get is a plus cause in the court of public opinion Lebron is getting killed and y'all know it

 

[Bop Gun]

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

Stop comparing goats from different eras. Jordan was the best at his time and LeBron is the best now, Jordan wouldn't be the best today and LeBron would be all-time great back then because of how the sport has progressed, it makes no sense to compare them. shyt the fact that it's even an argument proves MJ isn't the goat.

This idiot said prime MJ wouldn’t hang with todays soft ass 3 point game.

LeBron wouldn’t survive Bill Laimbeer and the pistons.

 

[BobbyWojak]

This idiot said prime MJ wouldn’t hang with todays soft ass 3 point game.

LeBron wouldn’t survive Bill Laimbeer and the pistons.

You're the idiot if you think smacking someone on the back of the neck during a layup is good defense, Shai or Dame in the paint would embarrass Laimbeer, let's not even mention what LeBron would do. The game has progressed breh get over it, it's not soft it's technical, even Laimbeer himself disagrees with you

 

[Verbal Kint]

Its always, ALWAYS been the standard.

ALWAYS.

LeBron fans tried to turn it around.

For example, why aren't teams like the Buffalo Bills talked about as one of the greatest teams of all time. Nobody mentions them like that. Bills went to four Superbowls. This means they won more than 95% of teams in NFL history. According to your logic, its better to go to Four Superbowls and lose than it is to get 1 Superbowl ring but, never make the playoffs again. I promise you NOBODY in Buffalo agrees with that dumbass logic breh. They would all want the ring.

Where did I say anything about losing being better than winning. That WOULD be stupid logic. I disagreed with the ‘its better to miss the playoffs than to lose in the Finals’ logic because that is stupid. If that were the case teams wouldnt fight and claw to be the 8th seed most years. And while winning has always been the standard, the idea that regularly making the Finals but losing makes you some kind of flawed loser has ONLY been applied to LeBron and it didnt start recently. It started after he lost to San Antonio and then was essentially cemented as a fact in some folks minds after the Dallas series. There is no other great player in history who people summarize by their playoff losses or count their finals losses. Not a one. And LeBron has actually won multiple titles! Its wild how much joy people get in trying to discredit him and 99% of the time its based on their love of another player, ie Jordan and Kobe. There aint a LeBron hater in the world who isnt either a Boston fan or a lover of Kobe or Mike. Thats why the bias is so stupid. And again, Ive always maintained Mike is the GOAT. I dont know why that means LeBron cant be enjoyed and appreciated, especially since Mike aint won a title in 25 years. Oh and as a Vikings fan Id absolutely rather have my team make the Super Bowl than miss the playoffs. As would any player and fan in the world unless theyre speaking from hurt lol