Micheal Jordan pointing out the obvious about Lebron James :mjlol:

[Born2BKing]

Speaking of ignoring history

The GOAT

 

[Marc Spector]

How are they better because they play in high definition?

Only thing they can do is shoot more 3's period no one has a post game and no one plays any defense

they are ALL faster, stronger, laterally quicker, better shooters, and have far better skills at dribbling and finishing. The gap is so vast that B Tier players like Mikal Bridges and Herb Jones would give the ENTIRE 90s NBA nightmares, including Jordan.

 

[Mister Terrific]

I said bigs

Illiterate Bronsexuals

Smh

That makes even less sense. Who checking Lebron on the wings





Act like Lebron wasn’t 18 years old cooking most of these same dudes

 

[Born2BKing]

The Lebron hate from so called black folks on the coli is very interesting. Only people I seen hate him like that outside of the Coli are republican cacs.

 

[DrexlersFade]

they are ALL faster, stronger, laterally quicker, better shooters, and have far better skills at dribbling and finishing. The gap is so vast that B Tier players like Mikal Bridges and Herb Jones would give the ENTIRE 90s NBA nightmares, including Jordan.

Dude just stop no they fukking don't if you think Miles Bridges giving Jordan problems yourca fukking idiot. You know why they finish nevermind.

@Paper Boi see why I put this in TRL Herb Jones

 

[Marc Spector]

I think the argument of Mike as the GOAT based simply off of the brand of excellence he represented, the dominance he maintained for his era (though Russell dominated more), and his greatness as an ambassador (which has just as much to do with NIke, Gatorade, Stern and the affordability of Cable TV) is a solid one and the viewpoint I subscribe to.

The argument however that Michael Jordan is the single most skilled basketball player past, present and future and by proxy the 80s-90s NBA and its players are the absolute peak of basketball past, present and future? That opinion Is laughably retarded.

Because youd have to be retarded to look at the growth of the game in America, from the NBA to middle school, and look at the growth of the game in international play and say to yourself "well clearly the individual play was better in 1994" .

At this point, Jordan is the GOAT in the same way as Ruth or Ali or Montana. The star who put the game on the map and is the enduring symbol of greatness.

However, Lebron James is in my eyes, the most complete basketball player ive ever seen play the game. It also to note that Lebron doesnt happen WITHOUT the emergence of Michael Jordan. And the next all time great will come as a result of Lebrons impact. The game keeps progressing.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Lebron would dominate the 90s too. The first time MJ retired Grant Hill was supposed to be that guy. Now G Hill was a beast but Lebron just physically imposing

 

[Mister Terrific]

The Lebron hate from so called black folks on the coli is very interesting. Only people I seen hate him like that outside of the Coli are republican cacs.

EDIT: I never realized at the end Mike gives this look to the fans sitting at home “You lil punks can’t be me”

 

[murksiderock]

It's not bad logic. No one in the sports world cared about this before LeBron. It was accepted you needed to win rings to be great. Everyone was fine with this (including LeBron fans) until LeBron started piling up losses. Now you want to question the logic. Lol. That's why I say you're too connected to this man. Yall only wanted to kick over the table like children when the "rules" started to affect him unfavorably. I brought up Peyton Manning because he was a guy that had all the tools/talent/pedigree and was supposed to be great like LeBron but, kept shrinking in the playoffs. And he was ridiculed for it until he made it at least 2-2. For basketball though, there's not alot of examples to go off of. Pretty much all the guys in the basketball Top 15 have winning records All these excuses are just that, excuses. Basketball is a team sport but, if you're the best player of all time "supposedly", and you get to ten finals, you're supposed to have a winning record. He didn't have to win all 10 but, he at least should have won 6 rings. But to go deeper. If someone actually remembers how he played in 2007, 2011 and 2014, that's enough to say he's not the GOAT. And for me personally, his losses in 2008, 2009 and 2010 show me he never would've done anything in the league if he didn't create a superteam in Miami. He never beat Boston like Jordan beat Detroit. A true GOAT (Jordan, Brady, Gretzky) would have recruited a good #2 to Cleveland and made Boston his bish for the next few years....not run away.

This Manning comp you're doing is terrible, because Manning was the best player in football who consistently played substandard in the playoffs. That's why we gave him shyt. He was often bad in wins and losses and he had a lot of losses (his last year season SB run is what gave him a winning playoff record)...

LeBron has never had a losing playoff record, and outside of '07 SA, '11 Dallas, and '21 Phx, he's never had a bad playoff series. This isn't the same comparison to Manning. Bron for his career is 39-11 in playoff series. He's NEVER been a guy defined by being bad in the playoffs the way Manning was...

Everyone else's NBA career is celebrated by the wins, yall nikkas act like winning 4 titles is some simple feat. He won those 4 rings in a 9-year run on some dynasty shyt, won all 4 as his team's best player, and aside from his first two Finals, was absolutely great in the other 8 (and that first Finals he took a team who has no business being there)...

His playoff resume is the greatest in NBA history, no one has the collection of hits he has, excluding nobody. Some guys have more rings, those guys also had more advantageous scenarios that allowed those titles. Nobody has his overall playoff resume and besides Mike no one has his Finals resume in terms of the quality of his actual play...

Yea you had some good points but the emotion is strong lol. You went off the rails into fantasy land those last few points. Jordan aint win a title till his 8th or 9th year in the league and was losing to Detroit yearly but you were convinced LeBron would never do anything in the league because he couldnt beat that Boston team? Cmon now. Thats a wild take. Greatness wasnt defined by losses but by wins. And making it to the finals was never a bad thing, even if you didnt win the title, until LeBron. Saying he’s not the best because he only won 4 chips makes perfect sense. Saying he aint the best because he lost in the finals doesnt. It’s objectively better to make it to the finals than to not make it. So logically if youre going to use Finals losses as a negative, then losses before the finals should be even more negative. Im a KG fan and when discussing his greatness nobody says ‘well yea but he couldnt get out of the first round for 6 straight years in MN’. And thats objectively worse than losing in the Finals. Hell even Karl Malone, who everyone hates, doesnt get defined by losing in the Finals. This Finals record thing is a LeBron only phenomenon because people wanted to discredit him once he was being compared to Jordan and honestly once he surpassed Kobe. Im sure you wont admit it but donyou know, off the top of your head, how many Finals losses Bird, Magic, Kareem have? Of course not! Because its a stupid way to measure success. Jordan going 6-0 in the Finals is amazing because he did it in 6 full years in a row (though i dont pretend like ‘95 never happened like most people). If we went 6-0 with trips spread out over the years with playoff Ls in between it wouldnt be as impressive.

Saying he isn't the GOAT because he "only" has 4 rings doesnt make sense based on the fact that people called Mike the GOAT after 3 rings, so rest assured had he never won another people would still argue for him;

People called Wilt the GOAT after 2 rings and he played in an era where another guy won 11 ;

People called Bird the GOAT after 3 rings...

This ring count number being "6" os entirely arbitrary and isn't rooted in league history, as "6" is not only NOT the most championships anyone has won (its not the second or third or fourth most either ), but "6" was never a standard anyone ever had to fulfill to reach GOAT consideration until Mike retired---->Mike himself didn't have 6 when people started calling him GOAT...

Magic was called the GOAT with 5...

So no, it doesn't make sense to say Bron "only" having 4 means he's not the GOAT, unless we apply this standard objectively and say 11 makes Russell the GOAT. No one here does that, though...

Because the thing is, I think many basketball heads understand that the totality of your career is what gets you in the conversation. You need an insanely high peak. You need a long prime. You need multiple championships (Wilt has set the bar at 2 minimum). You need an MVP. You have to have a period of domination where you were the best player in your sport...

It's about the totality of your career...

 

[Bryan Danielson]

He was a plumber who played against plumbers Bron stans and you new era dudes always want it both ways.

Is it Ochie Wally or is it One Mic

I’m a new era Zion Stan. I thin Zion is way better than Bron, MJ or Kobe at the same age and will surpass them.

People not gonna even remember Bron in another decade…. Yet alone MJ and Kobe

 

[Xavier]

forget Rodman, dude is scared to play Kawhi in THIS era of soft basketball. He was shook everytime dude checked in during the Spurs - Heat series.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Lebron would dominate the 90s too. The first time MJ retired Grant Hill was supposed to be that guy. Now G Hill was a beast but Lebron just not physically imposing

Yeah, Bron aint really built for balling like that.

 

[Premeditated]

Jordan accomplished more in 13 years than Lebron did in 20.

are human really this stupid?

and saying so and so wouldn't be great in this era is a fallacy. morons act like said player wouldn't have access to the same nutrition, training regiments, technology that players have now.

thats that same argument that some cac soccer fans like to use to discredit Pele

 

[Seoul Gleou]

Jordan accomplished more in 13 years than Lebron did in 20.

are human really this stupid?

and saying so and so wouldn't be great in this era is a fallacy. morons act like said player wouldn't have access to the same nutrition, training regiments, technology that players have now.

thats that same argument that some cac soccer fans like to use to discredit Pele

Jordan scored the 2nd most amount of points in a season...in history. The only guy above him is Wilt fukking Chamberlain...a man these kids seem to think didn't even exist.

Half of Michael Jordan's career earned him scoring titles. Think about that...half the time Jordan played(7 years) he scored more than anyone else. In a league where you didn't get to the FT line nearly as much.

LeBron spent half of his life in the NBA and couldn't do that. Half a career versus half a life in accomplishments and Jordan still is better decorated.

 

[Sccit]

Stop comparing goats from different eras. Jordan was the best at his time and LeBron is the best now, Jordan wouldn't be the best today and LeBron would be all-time great back then because of how the sport has progressed, it makes no sense to compare them. shyt the fact that it's even an argument proves MJ isn't the goat.

YEA YOURE RIGHT .. LUKA DONCIC AND NIKOLA JOKIC WOULD BE BE THE BEST TODAY OVER PRIME MJ
















DO BETTER