Men should have equal say when it comes to abortion

[Amare's Right Hook]

Treat it like Vietnam, pull out.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

THAT STILL NOT TRICKING. THE POTENTIAL END RESULT OF SEX IS A KID. END OF STORY. IF YOU AREN'T PREPARED FOR THAT TO HAPPEN THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT. DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW THE GAME. IF YOU AIN'T PREPARED FOR THIS CHICK TO POP OUT YOUR BABY YOU SHOULD BE THINKING TWICE ABOUT STICKING YOUR dikk IN HER. STOP BEING DUMB AND BE RESPONSIBLE.

YOU nikkaS WANT IT ALL BUT DON'T WANT ANY CONSEQUENCES. YOU WANT THE LOYAL VIRGIN SLUT WITH A CAREER THAT COOKS AND CLEANS YOUR HOUSE(BUT DOESN'T LIVE THERE) WHILE PAYING HER OWN shyt. SOMEHOW YOU WANT ALL THIS WHILE CHEATING ON HER WITH ONE OF YOUR MANY JUMPOFFS. YALL CRACK ME UP.

how is that not tricking? How is that not deceiving? Lying? Coersing? Trapping? Please explain that fam Cmon man you sound rediculous. If you go to a tire shop because u need 4 brand new tires. You go to the tire store under the impression that the merchant is selling you 4 brand new tires with no faults. They even give u a customer saitsifaction certificate assuring you that the tires are good to go. You drive away down the freeway then all 4 tires explode on you and you crash.

Can the tire store say "hey man if u arent prepared for your tires to explode and get into an accident, then maybe you shouldnt be driving." "Dont act like you didnt know the game" shyt happens bro" What would you say to the tire shop? You cant absolve the woman when she does some scandlous shyt.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

THAT STILL NOT TRICKING. THE POTENTIAL END RESULT OF SEX IS A KID. END OF STORY. IF YOU AREN'T PREPARED FOR THAT TO HAPPEN THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT. DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW THE GAME. IF YOU AIN'T PREPARED FOR THIS CHICK TO POP OUT YOUR BABY YOU SHOULD BE THINKING TWICE ABOUT STICKING YOUR dikk IN HER. STOP BEING DUMB AND BE RESPONSIBLE.

YOU nikkaS WANT IT ALL BUT DON'T WANT ANY CONSEQUENCES. YOU WANT THE LOYAL VIRGIN SLUT WITH A CAREER THAT COOKS AND CLEANS YOUR HOUSE(BUT DOESN'T LIVE THERE) WHILE PAYING HER OWN shyt. SOMEHOW YOU WANT ALL THIS WHILE CHEATING ON HER WITH ONE OF YOUR MANY JUMPOFFS. YALL CRACK ME UP.

I have no idea where u went with that one breh. You jumped out the window with that shyt

 

[JLova]

I don't think it's fair to shut the Dad out of the decision on whether or not you're gonna keep the baby, cause you both made the decision to have sex in the first place. Yeah it's a woman's body, but unless he completely abandons you the least you could do is clue a nikka in.

Yea, it isn't fair. Maybe some people just shouldn't have sex, then. We all have choices. Problem is people are unwilling to accept the consequences of their actions.

 

[MR. SNIFLES]

how is that not tricking? How is that not deceiving? Lying? Coersing? Trapping? Please explain that fam Cmon man you sound rediculous. If you go to a tire shop because u need 4 brand new tires. You go to the tire store under the impression that the merchant is selling you 4 brand new tires with no faults. They even give u a customer saitsifaction certificate assuring you that the tires are good to go. You drive away down the freeway then all 4 tires explode on you and you crash.

Can the tire store say "hey man if u arent prepared for your tires to explode and get into an accident, then maybe you shouldnt be driving." "Dont act like you didnt know the game" shyt happens bro" What would you say to the tire shop? You cant absolve the woman when she does some scandlous shyt.

IF YOU BUY TIRES AT LOLTIRESBRO.COM FOR 20 BUCKS A SET AND GET MAD WHEN THEY BLOW UP THEN YES YOU ARE A FOOL. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. CATS WANT A WOMAN THAT WILL GIVE UP THE PUSS AT THE DROP OF A HAT THEN WANT THEM TO BE HONORABLE WOMENZ. IT DON'T WORK LIKE THAT.

DO YOU GET MAD WHEN YOU BUY JEWELRY FROM THE DOLLAR STORE THAT SAYS GOLD ON THE PACKAGE? THAT'S NOT A TRICK. YOU'RE JUST DUMB FOR EXPECTING QUALITY AT THE DOLLAR STORE.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

Easy solution would be if a woman has a baby the man doesn't want to have, then he shouldn't have to give any financial support in any way shape or form.

 

[Ain't That Something]

I feel no pity for nikkas that are on Child Support the same way I feel no pity for women that have deadbeat baby daddies. Choices in life have consequences. Life is not meant to be fair the sooner we acknoledge that the better off we are.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

We've had this argument before.

The right to privacy prevents this from even being feasible. The woman has the right to make decisions about anything that is in her body.

With that being said, she should have full discretion on whether or not she wants to have an abortion.

But at the same time, a man should have the right to decide whether or not he wants to be a father, and not using a condom is not considered implied consent

A man should be able to sign a waiver during the first trimester of pregnancy, that he does not agree to the pregnancy and does not wish to partake in parenthood. He should then be vindicated of all responsibility because at this point, the woman is aware that the man does not want to be a father and will not be in the child's life. She is now making a "conscious" decision to be a single mother.

She should not receive child support, because when she made the conscious decision to be a single mother, she was aware that she would have to support the child alone.

This is different from a father abandoning the child after birth or signing the birth certificate. Also, if the man does not sign waivers before the 2nd trimester, he will be held accountable for child support if the child is his.

On the contrary, if he waives his right.. he can't change his mind. He cannot come back and declare that he is the child's father. He has no rights to that child. He can not receive a DNA test or anything relating to the mother or child.

I think this is fair brehs

Poor understanding of our social economic system. The interest of the state is to promote the welfare of society. Its not in the state's best interest to encourage men to abandon their children, and give them a get out of jail free card when it comes to financially supporting THEIR kid. Thats insanity. What you are largely promoting is men having the ability to to verbally claim they will take care of the kid (to get in it raw), and then change their mind whenever they feel like it during the 1st trimester. Either that, or they can legally enforce a woman to get an abortion, by hanging a consent to support signature over the woman's head. What if the woman dies due to complications from an abortion, because a man forced her to do so?

Again, legalized chaos. Is it really asking too much of you to be responsible for your own actions in creating a life, breh? Is it really THAT burdensome for you? Yes a power inequity exists when it comes to say in a pregnancy, because the baby is born inside of a woman. Start having kids yaself, and then we can talk

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

Poor understanding of our social economic system. The interest of the state is to promote the welfare of society. Its not in the state's best interest to encourage men to abandon their children, and give them a get out of jail free card when it comes to financially supporting THEIR kid. Thats insanity. What you are largely promoting is men having the ability to to verbally claim they will take care of the kid (to get in it raw), and then change their mind whenever they feel like it during the 1st trimester. Either that, or they can legally enforce a woman to get an abortion, but hanging a consent to support signature over the woman's head. What if the woman dies due to complications from an abortion, because a man forced her to do so?

Again, legalized chaos. Is it really asking too much of you to be responsible for your own actions in creating a life, breh? Is it really THAT burdensome for you? Yes a power inequity exists when it comes to say in a pregnancy, because the baby is born inside of a woman. Start having kids yaself, and then we can talk

So you think that's whats happening. nikkas is booing up with women, and then promising to be a good dad JUST TO GO RAW. Only to be like NOPE I'm out bytch 3 months later. yall game must suck or yall some fukking weirdos

 

[No_bammer_weed]

So you think that's whats happening. nikkas is telling kids they taking care of kids, JUST TO GO RAW. yall game must suck.

....im responding to the hypothetical situation that the poster made. If men have the ability to get out of taking responsibility for the kids they create, they will have little concern in getting a woman pregnant, because they know they have the legal ability to get out of taking care of their own child.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

not this shyt again.

Be careful where you put your sperm and you won't have to worry about any of this. Once you willingly hand your life creating material to another human being, you have relinquished control of it.

Your control of what happens with a pregnancy starts well before the decision for abortion can be made. Use your power then as opposed to complaining about what happens after you hand it over to someone else.

 

[CrossBones]

its funny that we got laws that can absolve a "sperm donor" from a clinic who loses his rights to legally be the father of his baby, but when that happens outside of a clinic its a problem. they say that he can sign his rights away, give out the sperm to a woman, and still not be considered as a person who has to support it. his rights to being a father ended as he signed off agreeing to being a sperm donor. how many baby moms do you hear talk about theres a difference between being a "sperm donor" and a "father?"

and theyre right. so if a man has no rights over keeping a baby when its in her body, at that point he is only donating the sperm then. and if he wants no parts of being a father, then let him be that way. that way its still on her to have the last word in keeping the baby, not on his. then we can see if she thinks that keeping the baby would be a good idea now. if shes against abortion, than maybe she should put it up for adoption at an agency or have a family member take over. theres choices to make and options she can have as well as abortion. its her body, sure she can keep it, but she shouldnt be forcing it as a way to keep a man in her life either. they do that with checks, with their time, and everything. everyone should have a say when something like this comes up. sure you can say it was irresponsible for the man to impregnate her, but its also irresponsible for the woman to keep it when she knows her man doesnt want it and wont be around for them. its bad on both parties, so we shouldnt be forcing it on one party regardless. everyone needs to have rights and choices in when a baby comes up, in my opinion, no two ways about it.

 

[HollowPoints2]

obviously abortion stunts the growth of any population. But black folks shouldnt be having kids to simply spike the numbers of the black population. That would be stupid. That is one of the problems now in the black community. Too many black babies born out of wedlock, too many kids born into bad situations because of irresponsible parents who weren't fit to be parents in the first place.

Black folks dont really have any political power mainly because we dont have a united economic base. Black folks as a collective dont put their money together like Mexicans do. mexicans have a solid economic base within their own community. You stating that no black people should get abortions sound rediculous. why bring kids in the world who dont have a chance at a good life and that will most likely contribute to the demise of our community?

Abortion is not the way to solve the problems that you outlined.married familes do not guarantee a stable productive child in the future. I believe that if you're old enough to have sex you should be old enough to accept parenthood and adapt to the situation you created. It's been proven that a black child who is placed up for adoption immediately after birth has a better chance of being adopted then if the parent waited until the kid was 5 years old which is most likely the case.

You're right, abortion does stunt the growth of any population however no other population has embraced abortion as much as black people. Its to the point to where cities that were majority black are now not majority black and its not due to black outword migration...its due to the lack of babies being born within those black communities.

You said black people have no economic base.

So should we just continue to buy from others or make changes to create an economic base?

same thing with abortion.if what you say about black people not having parenting skills do we just stop being parents or do we create our own method in becoming good parents?

Abortion is not the way to go for black people.

@Mr.Snifles

They will tell you upfront that their way of countering white supremacy is by multiplying in numbers that way they will grab ahold of more political power. At that point it doesn't matter whaf white supremacist or racist say or think about them. They will control the political scene thereby making the choices that are best to their interest.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

Abortion is not the way to solve the problems that you outlined.married familes do not guarantee a stable productive child in the future. I believe that if you're old enough to have sex you should be old enough to accept parenthood and adapt to the situation you created. It's been proven that a black child who is placed up for adoption immediately after birth has a better chance of being adopted then if the parent waited until the kid was 5 years old which is most likely the case.

You're right, abortion does stunt the growth of any population however no other population has embraced abortion as much as black people. Its to the point to where cities that were majority black are now not majority black and its not due to black outword migration...its due to the lack of babies being born within those black communities.

You said black people have no economic base.

So should we just continue to buy from others or make changes to create an economic base?

same thing with abortion.if what you say about black people not having parenting skills do we just stop being parents or do we create our own method in becoming good parents?

Abortion is not the way to go for black people.

@Mr.Snifles

They will tell you upfront that their way of countering white supremacy is by multiplying in numbers that way they will grab ahold of more political power. At that point it doesn't matter whaf white supremacist or racist say or think about them. They will control the political scene thereby making the choices that are best to their interest.

Why not exactly?

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong but I don't see the argument against it in your statement.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

I feel no pity for nikkas that are on Child Support the same way I feel no pity for women that have deadbeat baby daddies. Choices in life have consequences. Life is not meant to be fair the sooner we acknoledge that the better off we are.

So why is it that men HAVE to pay child support no matter what and if they don't pay, they are sent to jail. On the other hand, a woman can have as many kids as she wants and the state will continue to fund her (welfare, WIC, food stamps, section 8)

She can have a many "deadbeat dads" as she wants. But nobody calls her a deadbeat mother