Melle Mel defends Fat Joe while addressing who started Hip-Hop: Black Americans or Puerto Ricans, and says, "Hip-hop culture is Bronx culture."

[Piff Perkins]

What Puerto Rican genre was melded together to create Hip Hop?

None, obviously.

This conversation is a waste of time. The brain worms have taken over and clearly a lot of people aren't gonna do any research or remove themselves from obvious agents and chaos peddlers.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Y'all retarded. I was raised in the Bronx when I was little kid. My neighborhood was full of Jamaicans, Trinidadians, Puerto Ricans etc. Carribean and African-American cultures collided and collaborated in the BASEMENT and BLOCK PARTIES to create Hip Hop. I was there, I witnessed it, I didn't fully understand how monumental it was at the time. I was taught to Beatbox by my babysitter. They wouldn't let me out the corner or closet until I learned how to hum and beatbox at the same time. I was born in Florida. Parents got divorced, Grandma in NY took me in. They forced at that Hip Hop shyt down my throat no homo, I was forced to be at Basement Parties. They smoked weed, second hand smoke I'm a little ass kid. Drinking out dirty New York fire hydrants when they let us kids play in the water during the block parties. They used to open up their cribs to the kids I've been in many apartments tenements whatever we used to play until we saw lightning bugs and the pollution was so bad the Snow was rainbow colored.

I've seen Fat Joe walking down my street wearing shyt I never seen nikkas wearing before. nikkas was still dressing like late 70s, New Kids on the Block ass niggss. But Fat Joe was wearing Sports wear Hip Hop style. I saw Puerto Ricans dressing Hip Hop before I saw my fellow Black brothas and sistas doing it. Then we adopted it and took it further. It is what it is but if you weren't there shut the fukk up.

What year are you talking about?

Obese Joe had Hip Hop style gear, since you referred to the others as wearing a late ‘70s style? Was it him who originated that style and made it popular? What do you mean?

 

[Ish Gibor]

how is it a "tariq nasheed" narrative when the pioneers themselves are saying otherwise

The whole premise doesnt even make sense conceptually

you have a bunch of fbas coming out of the second great migration who are not even used to latinos or even other diasporic cultures on the level we are now. And a bunch of straight off the boat puerto ricans, a good portion of whom who havent been americanized/nuyoricanized. Both are in the bronx, but some type of UNION is not immediately obvious under the circumstances. That had to develop like i said.

We did research into the migration from the Carolinas. This is from a previous thread.

So. Carolina Africian American Griots

So. Carolina Africian American Griots

sites.rootsweb.com

Comparing the Gullah language with other English-based Creoles.

Visit the post for more.

tracingafricanroots.wordpress.com

Ethnic Origins of South Carolina Runaway Slaves

South Carolina Runaway Slaves 1730-1790 SUMMARY Number of runaway slaves: 2,424 African origins specified: 508 TOP 3 BREAKDOWN OF AFRICAN BORN SLAVES “Angola” (mostly Bakongo) 149 – 29%…

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Gullah Genetics

I have published another new page within the 23andme section of my blog. It features my survey findings based on 100 23andme results as well as 68 AncestryDNA results for African Americans with dee…

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Genetic Landscape of Gullah African Americans

Objectives Gullah African Americans are descendants of formerly enslaved Africans living in the Sea Islands along the coast of the southeastern U.S., from North Carolina to Florida. Their relatively high numbers and geographic isolation were conducive to the development and preservation of a...

www.biorxiv.org

A Brief History of African Migration to Colonial New York

wp.nyu.edu

New York Slave Trade, 1698-1741

The history of slave trade in New York spans several centuries. It began in 1646 when the Dutch West India Company faced the imminent loss of its foothold in Pernambuco. The Company sent a ship fro...

journals.openedition.org

This thread has sources pertaining the migration patterns from the South.

Does the large Caribbean presence in NYC's Hip Hop scene explain the disconnect with other regions?

Sad how people are ignorant of Black entertainment culture and history. Anyway, the US mainland has influenced the Caribbean and vice versa. Why? Because during the '60s, '70s and '80s even '90s we have Pan Africanism going on. Hip Hop culture is a mixed bag of Black Americans (already in the...

www.thecoli.com

The Maerschalck map of the City of New York is a historic map made in 1754 that clearly shows the African Burial Ground and its surrounding neighborhood

African Burial Ground National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)

 

[TripleAgent]

ill be 45 this year

Then you weren't there, and are working with anecdotal and second hand at best information

This is so lazy. Are you familiar with New York and what it looked like in the 70s/80s? The idea that Ricans and island black people weren't involved is insane. Stop letting agitators lie to you.

Hip hop is a black (American) art form. That doesn’t change the reality that other types of people were involved on the ground floor in fukking NYC lmao. This is typical of most American art forms. You look at jazz and the influence (white) classical music had on it, or the influence many white vaudeville artists had on it. Yet it is generally viewed as a black American art form because it’s a big gumbo pot of influences but we stirred the pot. Until people can talk about rap in an intelligent, academic way we will keep having these dumb ahistorical debates.

and the most important part of all

the caribbean is BLACK lol

None, obviously.

This conversation is a waste of time. The brain worms have taken over and clearly a lot of people aren't gonna do any research or remove themselves from obvious agents and chaos peddlers.

You all could just watch the documentary and the The Culture Started in 71 YouTube channel, and see the pioneers that were there and 60 plus year old Bronx cats that were there and outside and hear them ALL say it was all FBA in the beginning. Some of you seem to just want to push an agenda. The documentary is great, but even if you hate Tariq (part of the issue I'm sure at this point) and don't want to put money in his pocket, the YouTube channel is free. They've broken down and destroyed al the creation myths repeatedly. It's not that hard. You all start to sound crazy and lame like that clown Plankton doing mental gymnastics and pretending you don't see all this evidence. Terrible look, very nasty work.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Then you weren't there, and are workig with anecdotal and second hand at best information





You all could just watch the documentary and the The Culture Started in 71 YouTube channel, and see the pioneers that were there and 60 plus year old Bronx cats that were there and outside and hear them ALL say it was all FBA in the beginning. Some of you seem to just want to push an agenda. The documentary is great, but even if you hate Tariq (part of the issue I'm sure at this point) and don't want to put money in his pocket, the YouTube channel is free. They've broken down and destroyed al the creation myths repeatedly. It's not that hard. You all start to sound crazy and lame like that clown Plankton doing mental gymnastics and pretending you don't see all this evidence. Terrible look, very nasty work.

Actually the 1st generation Black Spades is over 70. Those in their 60s are 2nd generation Black Spades (baby Spades). Luckily we see some of them still alive on Davey’s channel “The Culture Started in 71”.

That is what makes the anecdotal story of a 45 year old so ridiculous.

 

[Ish Gibor]

and the most important part of all

the caribbean is BLACK lol

Not all of the Caribbean is Black, but it predominantly is. It’s a minor, yet big difference.

 

[Plankton]

Then you weren't there, and are working with anecdotal and second hand at best information





You all could just watch the documentary and the The Culture Started in 71 YouTube channel, and see the pioneers that were there and 60 plus year old Bronx cats that were there and outside and hear them ALL say it was all FBA in the beginning. Some of you seem to just want to push an agenda. The documentary is great, but even if you hate Tariq (part of the issue I'm sure at this point) and don't want to put money in his pocket, the YouTube channel is free. They've broken down and destroyed al the creation myths repeatedly. It's not that hard. You all start to sound crazy and lame like that clown Plankton doing mental gymnastics and pretending you don't see all this evidence. Terrible look, very nasty work.

You are one of Tariq Nasheeds biggest dikk riders tho. Everything you say is biased.

I already posted a video of DJ Phase saying there was discrepancies in Tariqs documentary in post #48 straight from that 71 Youtube channel you just mentioned. There were more discrepancies that I could point out that Phase didn't. But since you standing on someone like Phases word then accept that Tariqs documentary had its flaws.

Also....the biggest argument on that 71 Youtube channel is location and time frame not ethnicity. That's why The Coli is trash and fell off hard as a Hip Hop website when this Tariq Nasheed narrative being stuck on ethnicity exposes y'all. And also as already pointed out. A lot of them dudes on that 71 Youtube channel have been contradicting each other thru out the years so a lot of that info is to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[TripleAgent]

You are one of Tariq Nasheeds biggest dikk riders tho. Everything you say is biased.



I already posted a video of DJ Phase saying there was discrepancies in Tariqs documentary in post #48 straight from that 71 Youtube channel you just mentioned. There were more discrepancies that I could point out that Phase didn't. But since you standing on someone like Phases word then accept that Tariqs documentary had its flaws.

Also....the biggest argument on that 71 Youtube channel is location and time frame not ethnicity. That's why The Coli is trash and fell off hard as a Hip Hop website when this Tariq Nasheed narrative being stuck on ethnicity exposes y'all. And also as already pointed out. A lot of them dudes on that 71 Youtube channel have been contradicting each other thru out the years so a lot of that info is to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Plankton]

Here's the shorter version of what I said since it was too much for you to read. Next time, keep my name out of your mouth fakkit.

 

[Ish Gibor]

FBA movement love division of black people to fit their own agenda
Now we are "black", next day we are "FBA", next day we are "non-black", next day we are "non freeman fba" next "ADOS".



shyt can be Bronx culture, black culture and American culture at the same time. It's different dimensions


Culture is not science, it's not 1+1=2.

Dr. Colon DISPUTES Tariq Nasheed and Lord Jamar's Position on Hip Hop to Dr Ma'at & Brother Ankh

Dr. Colon DISPUTES Tariq Nasheed and Lord Jamar's Position on Hip Hop to Dr Ma'at & Brother Ankh

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Dr Ma'at & Brother Ankh give push back.

 

[Ish Gibor]

fukk that nikka and the Bronx

What was later named hip hop by a serial pedophile is just colonized Black American culture.

- A nikka from North Carolina moved to the Bronx in the 60s named Mario

- he joined the Black Spades and became a warlord, while introducing them to the outside parties from back home, creating a new youth cultural movement in BRONXDALE in ‘71-72

- some tethers saw him, was inspired, took his style and added on to it with the thousands of dollars worth of equipment they stole during the ‘78 black-outs

- this allowed them to get the attention of rich young gay Jews, get placed in some early 80s b movies, and write their own folklore

- the music they all played was BLACK AMERICAN funk, soul, and R&B

- the style was all inspired by the BLACK AMERICAN hustlers that shopped at AJ Lester’s in HARLEM and hustled on forty duece

- the dances all came from the BLACK AMERICAN tradition of battling, cutting, ranking, playing the dozens, burning, aggressive creative competition in all forms

- the early flyers in the 70s say nothing about hip hop, it’s just “The Jam” “Disco”, nothing different from the FBAs in Brooklyn, Queens, and Harlem, only difference is they played ballrooms and discotheques, while the Bronx played the records outside in the park

It’s all made up bullshyt.

This is who influenced the culture of the Spades that came to be known as hip hop, who Kool Herc and Bambaataa studied and style they copied, and who made the gang truce with Bambaataa that led to the creation of the Zulu Nation.

I’m confused, why you called Keith "Cowboy" Wiggins, that specifically?

“Hip Hop pioneer Robert Keith “Cowboy” Wiggins was well-known for being an emcee in one of the most legendary rap groups of all time: Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Born September 20, 1960 in New York City and raised in the South Bronx”

Robert Keith “Cowboy” Wiggins | The Hip Hop Museum

Robert Wiggins (Keith Cowboy), a rapper in Saddler's outfit, the Furious Five, is credited with coining the term "hip-hop".

history.hiphop

 

[K.O.N.Y]

You are one of Tariq Nasheeds biggest dikk riders tho. Everything you say is biased.

I already posted a video of DJ Phase saying there was discrepancies in Tariqs documentary in post #48 straight from that 71 Youtube channel you just mentioned. There were more discrepancies that I could point out that Phase didn't. But since you standing on someone like Phases word then accept that Tariqs documentary had its flaws.

Also....the biggest argument on that 71 Youtube channel is location and time frame not ethnicity. That's why The Coli is trash and fell off hard as a Hip Hop website when this Tariq Nasheed narrative being stuck on ethnicity exposes y'all. And also as already pointed out. A lot of them dudes on that 71 Youtube channel have been contradicting each other thru out the years so a lot of that info is to be taken with a grain of salt.

bullshyt i follow that channel. They mention ethnicity multiple times

it was location and time frame before non fbas started integrating ethnicity into the narrative

 

[Piff Perkins]

Then you weren't there, and are working with anecdotal and second hand at best information





You all could just watch the documentary and the The Culture Started in 71 YouTube channel, and see the pioneers that were there and 60 plus year old Bronx cats that were there and outside and hear them ALL say it was all FBA in the beginning. Some of you seem to just want to push an agenda. The documentary is great, but even if you hate Tariq (part of the issue I'm sure at this point) and don't want to put money in his pocket, the YouTube channel is free. They've broken down and destroyed al the creation myths repeatedly. It's not that hard. You all start to sound crazy and lame like that clown Plankton doing mental gymnastics and pretending you don't see all this evidence. Terrible look, very nasty work.

Why would I watch anything from a confirmed agent, or peddled by a dikk rider such as yourself.

 

[Plankton]

My last response to you because I already know you will just go in circles and ignore me speaking truth so you can have the final word. But do me a favor, if I'm talking to someone else, do not quote me with your biased remarks. I wasn't even talking to you yet you quoted me to say some nonsensical bullshyt. Again, do not quote me if I'm talking to someone else.

 

[Ish Gibor]

bullshyt i follow that channel. They mention ethnicity multiple times

it was location and time frame before non fbas started integrating ethnicity into the narrative

Yep that’s true.

I know about that channel for over 10 years. I first found out about it because I was looking for information on the Black Spades.

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