Mavs .5 game out of playoffs, chose to tank to maybe keep a fringe top 10 pick

[Wargames]

Oh yeah, I think it's worse from a "getting in trouble with the league" perspective. I just don't think it's worse from a "ruining competitive basketball" perspective.

Idiots in the thread are claiming that this is some example of the modern NBA be anti-competitive, when the truth is that teams used to do MUCH worse for pretty much all of NBA history and the league is trying to crack down on it now more than ever.







Exactly.

I get what you’re saying and I agree. If anything the Process led to all of this. After Hinkie used that exploit the league has gone to a lot of lengths to avoid blatant tanking. Possibly because they knew long term they wanted to get into business with gambling companies and casinos.

Regardless the Mavs fukked up, the question is what will the league do about it.

 

[winb83]

As they should. If anybody should be offended it's probably Silver and the players.

For Silver it's a legit slap in the face to make a play-in tournament and have teams try to dodge it.

For the players you don't make it to the end to quit.

The Play-In is a waste of time. Once in the NBA's history a 6th seed went on to win the NBA finals. Other than that nobody lower than seed 4 has even won an NBA finals. In the lockout shortened season an 8th seed made the NBA Finals.

In the entire NBA history you have 2 6th seeds, 1 5th seed, and 1 8th seed ever making the NBA finals. Other than that it's been 4 and above.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I get what you’re saying and I agree. If anything the Process led to all of this. After Hinkie used that exploit the league has gone to a lot of lengths to avoid blatant tanking. Possibly because they knew long term they wanted to get into business with gambling companies and casinos.

Regardless the Mavs fukked up, the question is what will the league do about it.

Major fine and strip them of a 2nd round pick or multiple.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The Play-In is a waste of time. Once in the NBA's history a 6th seed went on to win the NBA finals. Other than that nobody lower than seed 4 has even won an NBA finals. In the lockout shortened season an 8th seed made the NBA Finals.

In the entire NBA history you have 2 6th seeds, 1 5th seed, and 1 8th seed ever making the NBA finals. Other than that it's been 4 and above.

Winning the title isn't the only reason to make the playoffs. If you feel that way then why not just cancel the first round completely?

If the Mavs giving up a tiny chance to make the 10-slot and and even lower chance to make the 8-slot is pissing off so many people including the Mavs players, then how is the play-in a waste of time? Have you ever seen a non-competitive play-in game where either team wasn't treating it like the playoffs? Squads want to make the postseason whether or not they're going to win the Finals. It usually takes at least two years of postseason experience before a team is good enough to win a title anyway (outside of fluke seasons or squads with stars from previous Finals teams).

 

[Long Live The Kane]

They would probably use the pick to move Hardaway or more likely Wood for a more legit Center. No way are the Mavs looking to add a rookie unless they move up into the top #4.


A few things are different here and it takes what happened from normal tanking to another level of fukkery that I could see the league being pissed about,

1. Kidd already confessed that he threw the game at managements request and went beyond the normal “resting player” form of tanking. He made substitution to lose
2. There is a difference between putting out a bad team and actively throwing a game. The league sent out a Memo explaining the difference in 2018. If you can justify putting out a bad team it's ok, you just have to be consistent and you have to have some sort of record justifying it.
3. That 2018 memo was sent when they fined Cuban in 2018 for saying tanking happens
4. In that same Memo Silver said he would drop the hammer on any team they could confirm threw a game
5. The bylaw also said they could fine a owner $5 million, forfeit draft picks, or take draft picks and give it to other teams if a owner is found to have actively tried to manipulate a score of a game
6. After all the shyt Cuban has said/done I have no doubt the Knicks FO filed a complaint on Cuban and the Mavs the same way Cuban did to them.
7. While under investigation for tanking, the Mavs now have to tank another game

Tonight the Mavs are sitting players and I bet Kidd will not be substituting out players if they get hot. What's the saying “It's not what you do, it's how you do it”? Well the Mavs fukked up tanking.

Drop the hammer and take that pick Silver

Punish this p*ssy ass shyt

 

[winb83]

Winning the title isn't the only reason to make the playoffs. If you feel that way then why not just cancel the first round completely?

If the Mavs giving up a tiny chance to make the 10-slot and and even lower chance to make the 8-slot is pissing off so many people including the Mavs players, then how is the play-in a waste of time? Have you ever seen a non-competitive play-in game where either team wasn't treating it like the playoffs? Squads want to make the postseason whether or not they're going to win the Finals. It usually takes at least two years of postseason experience before a team is good enough to win a title anyway (outside of fluke seasons or squads with stars from previous Finals teams).

Long term are they better off keeping that draft pick or making the play-in and getting swept if they even make it out of that?

The team needs to get better and the chances are they do that in the draft vs struggling to get into a tournament and be outclassed by a much better team while giving up a 1st round draft pick. Dallas did what made the most sense long term. Their management messed up and need to take a path to correct that.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Long term are they better off keeping that draft pick or making the play-in and getting swept if they even make it out of that?

The team needs to get better and the chances are they do that in the draft vs struggling to get into a tournament and be outclassed by a much better team while giving up a 1st round draft pick. Dallas did what made the most sense long term. Their management messed up and need to take a path to correct that.

You don’t get better by drafting at 10

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Long term are they better off keeping that draft pick or making the play-in and getting swept if they even make it out of that?

You claimed the whole play-in was a waste, now you're talking about the Mavs' specific situation which is completely unique. Most teams don't have a top-10 protected pick and even if they do, missing the play-in wouldn't mean they keep it. The stars aligned for the decision but that doesn't mean other teams feel that way. Even the Mavs competed their asses off for that slot until Game 81.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You don’t get better by drafting at 10

Over the last 30 years, the #10 pick has had a 27% chance of becoming an All-Star. Those are pretty good odds. In fact, once you get past the top 3 picks, the odds of grabbing an all-star have been pretty much even for #4 through #10. There's a lot of luck and unpredictability there.

Also, the team slated #10 in the lotto will have something like a 25% chance of pulling a top-4 pick.

Add, of course, you can trade that #10 pick for real value, possibly even pair it with players in a sign-and-trade.

 

[SchoolboyC]

Over the last 30 years, the #10 pick has had a 27% chance of becoming an All-Star. Those are pretty good odds. In fact, once you get past the top 3 picks, the odds of grabbing an all-star have been pretty much even for #4 through #10. There's a lot of luck and unpredictability there.

Also, the team slated #10 in the lotto will have something like a 25% chance of pulling a top-4 pick.

Add, of course, you can trade that #10 pick for real value, possibly even pair it with players in a sign-and-trade.

And that’s what most important because again the Mavs have no depth and their tools to try to improve their situation are no cap space & shytty trade assets

Last year the Celtics got Malcolm Brogdon for a pick in the 20s, a low end young player and salary cap filler. If the Mavs could add a player of that caliber he would be by far their 3rd best player

They deserve to get fined though because of how sloppy & blatant this was

 

[Surreal]

Look at all these teams resting their players shameful

 

[winb83]

You don’t get better by drafting at 10

Do you get better by getting swept out of the first round by a #1 or #2 seed? A #10 pick isn't bad when the alternative is no first round pick for a team that really wasn't even good enough to make the playoffs.

The play-in is a struggle to get put down by a superior team. It's the NBA's fault they can't come up with a solution that doesn't encourage fringe teams to not lose.

The truth is a 7 game series format isn't going to let the worse team win all that often. From the team's perspective they took the most logical path.

Paul George was a #10 pick.

 

[Surreal]

Spurs just dominating my Mavs

 

[CrimsonTider]

Over the last 30 years, the #10 pick has had a 27% chance of becoming an All-Star. Those are pretty good odds. In fact, once you get past the top 3 picks, the odds of grabbing an all-star have been pretty much even for #4 through #10. There's a lot of luck and unpredictability there.

Also, the team slated #10 in the lotto will have something like a 25% chance of pulling a top-4 pick.

Add, of course, you can trade that #10 pick for real value, possibly even pair it with players in a sign-and-trade.

I’m stupid. Are you saying out of 30 players picked in 10th over the past 30 years 8 of them became an Allstar?

What did the other 22 players do and who were these 8 allstars

This isn’t a great return btw

 

[winb83]

I’m stupid. Are you saying out of 30 players picked in 10th over the past 30 years 8 of them became an Allstar?

What did the other 22 players do and who were these 8 allstars

This isn’t a great return btw

It's a better chance at something than getting first round swept and losing that pick entirely due to it being out of the top 10.