Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

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So....him bringing up BP, the MCU film that recently won 3 Oscars as a case against Marvel films not being 'cinema' is him weaponizing it and calling people racist? :laugh:

I don't even know if BP is a top 5 MCU film, even if it's your favorite, there is nothing so unique about it that it somehow separates itself from the rest of the brand in genre or quality on some meaningful scale. CW, IM1, Cap 1&2, AM1, HC, FFH, every Avengers film, even AOU (which is dope to me, despite glaring flaws and probably the least dope on it's artistic merits) are all well done, had great performances and were great to experience in the fukking cinema.

I'm all for propping up Coogler and BP as a great outing for the MCU, but this notion that it's so head and shoulders above the rest of the films and qualifies as cinema and the rest don't is some pretentious bullshyt lol. And he was right to go to the bat for the creatives involved in these films, it's disrespectful to them.
The people Coogler brought in makes it feel vastly different than other MCU films in these areas (score, Cinematography, production design, costumes)

Not to mention it was the first MCU film truly about something in this day and age.

Now is it heavily drenched in MCU? Yep.

However, there is more under the surface to that fillm and its primarily to the people brought in. Now whether all that adds up to a better "movie" is up to your own subjective opinion. However, there were resources here that made it feel different.
 

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The people Coogler brought in makes it feel vastly different than other MCU films in these areas (score, Cinematography, production design, costumes)

Not to mention it was the first MCU film truly about something in this day and age.

Now is it heavily drenched in MCU? Yep.

However, there is more under the surface to that fillm and its primarily to the people brought in. Now whether all that adds up to a better "movie" is up to your own subjective opinion. However, there were resources here that made it feel different.
winter soldier would like a word with you

yes BP is good, there are other good MCU films too

and yall cant have it both ways. of course he is gonna have some box he has to work in. they are weaving together 20+ films, it has to have some sort of continuity with the others. i'll never understand why people complained about movies in a saga meant to come together at one final endpoint having similarities. thats one of the weakest criticisms of the MCU.
 

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winter soldier would like a word with you

yes BP is good, there are other good MCU films too

and yall cant have it both ways. of course he is gonna have some box he has to work in. they are weaving together 20+ films, it has to have some sort of continuity with the others. i'll never understand why people complained about movies in a saga meant to come together at one final endpoint having similarities. thats one of the weakest criticisms of the MCU.
Ehh...WInter Soldier did, but the thing about Winter Soldier is that it clearly defined right and wrong.

BP was more complex than that. There was just far more nuance on the subject matter imo.

Now that doesn't make it better than Winter Soldier (if you feel that way). Just saying as I'v'e said before its thematically the richest MCU film.
 

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Ehh...WInter Soldier did, but the thing about Winter Soldier is that it clearly defined right and wrong.

BP was more complex than that. There was just far more nuance on the subject matter imo.

Now that doesn't make it better than Winter Soldier (if you feel that way). Just saying as I'v'e said before its thematically the richest MCU film.
well thats a different subject, i was solely just talking about your point of it being the "first to be about something"

BP is my favorite of the two, but obviously its gonna hit different for us than for Jeff from Iowa. i would agree it is thematically up there. in terms of complexity i presume you are talking about the "right vs wrong" thing and would put perhaps civil war up there with it in regards to complexity for the audience in terms of who they are "supposed" to be rooting for

main point is despite the feeling from some that these films are cookie cutter, they have become much more layered over the years, someone made a good post a while back about how tragic of a character thor is for instance when you stop and look at everything he has lost from thor 1 to endgame. surely scorsese could appreciate the cinematic journey he has went through :mjgrin:
 

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Iger is right :yeshrug:

This is turning into some Eastcoast vs Westcoast shyt though these journalists are feeding the fukk out of this.

Next Scorcese will put a bounty up on urrebody wearing Disney chains :wow:

It would be worth it for someone to get Yung berg'd and have the opposition baiting with a chain.
 

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Just dont be thinking comic heads MCU stan muthafukkas aint packin heat.

Dont get blasted over this shyt.

I dont mind having a Caine/Pernell relationship with my kid.

:pachaha:
 

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nikkas making billions and care this much about what these directors think, but Martin Scorcese is just "some guy":mjlit:

I'm also not about to take dude's obvious pandering to black people as some discrediting of Scorcese's point. Where was this energy when it came to getting BP on the screen in the first place? But it made mad bread and now you have the convenient black friend to bring up?:mjpls:Why not use Ironman and whoever directed those shyts, as your rebuttal? You sure had no problem staking the future of the franchise in RDJr.:mjgrin:

Couldn't help but feel like this when I read his quote.

Even though "BP" is the MCU's most celebrated movie, in terms of the type of accolades "it's not real cinema!" types care about....I'm sure he knew what he was doing mentioning "BP".

Twitter is a dumpster fire though. Like this:



What is she even talking about? :dahell:

How did "ciriticize Iger for his ulterior motive" turn into :damn: "so black directors gotta beg Disney to work?!" :dahell:

Fred.
 

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:gucci: how nikkas this upset? In general the MCU is like a theme park and that's why the movies are a hit with children, teens and adults :manny:

Some of y'all sounding like a scorned woman after you stop fukking with them the way y'all trying to discredit Martin like he's a has been. :smh:
 

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:gucci: how nikkas this upset? In general the MCU is like a theme park and that's why the movies are a hit with children, teens and adults :manny:

Some of y'all sounding like a scorned woman after you stop fukking with them the way y'all trying to discredit Martin like he's a has been. :smh:

it goes both ways though. martin and coppola are going needlessly hard for things that dont matter to them
 

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I dont think that was that deep either tbh. These movies are theme parks and if we're being honest Scorsese made a theme park movie with Wolf of Wallstreet.

The corny shyt is the movie/cinema arguement

Nah, Wolf is exploring American greed too much to be a theme park movie. If Wolf is a theme park movie, so is Goodfellas, Departed and Casino cuz they are in that same fast paced entertaining style. You could say Wolf glorifies American greed but that's another discussion.
 

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it goes both ways though. martin and coppola are going needlessly hard for things that dont matter to them
Coppola is but I don't see anything wrong with what Martin said. Of the literal sense of the word, Martin is wrong about the MCU not being "cinema", but obviously he has a different definition.
 
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