Norrin Radd
To me, my board!
Man you're way too easy to triggerno, but i bet he saw captain marveL and realised why the mid-cu was some bullshyt
Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'
- Thread starter Jacaveli The Don
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"imagine ME, the legendary Martin Scorsese releasing one of MY FILMS, real CINEMA on NETFLIX like these peasants at MAAAAAAAHVEL STUDIOS."Man you're way too easy to trigger
life comes at you fast huh bytch?!?!
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i dont even watch movies, i only read books. my intellect can only be stimulated by pages of illustration, true art. not stuffing my face with popcorn like a cavemanSo now all movies aimed at kids (as well as adults) are inferior to movies just aimed at adults? Some of you just try too hard to be above it all.
Next we gonna have someone come in here and say they only watch documentaries that's how mature and elitist they are.
T’Challa’s Heir
Superstar
did you check the link? His movies don’t make all that much money. As good as they all are there not putting asses in seats. He makes great high art movies that most movie watchers don’t bother watching in theaters.
No one has questioned his ability as a film maker. Everyone has correctly pointed out that his movies don’t gross all that much. I’m not sure why everyone keeps overlooking that. He needs the Marvel style films that gross tons of money. It’s how a modern studio can hand him $100 million+ to make a high art 3 hour drama that’s barely going to make its cost of production and advertising budget back.
the problem is you're using the wrong analogy. If we asked ten people what music is there would be a baseline common understanding that we can all accept. Asking people what hip hop is would give you a bunch of different answers but that's because that's actually subjective. In your analogy, we would have to ask people "what is a drama?" and we would get a bunch of opinionated answers.
There's a baseline common definition of cinema that we all have and it has nothing do with the quality of any of the films. Howard the Duck and Goodfellas are both cinema. How is that hard to understand?
No it’s not. It’s the same way fans/directors have always said “there are movies and there are films.” There are some who believe a film is schindlers list or 12 years a slave while Batman or jaws would be a movie. The film is thought to be the classier affair while the movie is purely for entertainment. A lot of directors feel that way. A lot of writers feel that way. There’s a clip of Soderbergh in this thread explaining how he feels about the subject. So for some people, cinema is a higher form than a movie. Both have their value but they’re aiming to achieve different means. No different than someone comparing illmatic to dirty sprite 2. They’re both hip hop but they have completely different aims and purposes.
And like I said earlier this isn’t even me agreeing with the man but I do understand where he’s coming from. I don’t have to agree to get it and to get why he feels how he feels. I don’t chalk it up as him being envious of some shyt he’s never going to achieve and has never tried to achieve. He has his feelings on the subject that directors and fans and writers have argued about for years. Nothing new
The Irishman has a higher budget than Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 1, Spiderman far from home, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Cap 2, Ant man 1&2 and the same as Far from home.
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Bruce Wayne
THE GODDAMN BILLIONAIRE
Truth , the only good Marvel movies were the first Iron Man and Black Panther. The rest of them werestatus
you're getting incredibly far off into semantics. cinema/film/movies are all the same shyt. Dude was saying theyre are not cinema and talking about they just making future amusement park rides is some condescending bullshyt. There's a simple baseline definition that we all have, now people are in here saying comic book movies aren't even cinema. Like it's some kind of other shyt. And again you keep trying to make your analogy work using sub-genres of sub-genres with music. Asking people what music is, that's the proper analogy.
If the thread was something like "are comic book movies real drama?"...we might have a real topic. But dude said cinema like artsy shyt isn't isn't shown in the same building as popcorn flicks. It's pretentious.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Oh cinema is a classier affair.
Like the audience shows up in black ties and ball gowns, drink their gigantic sodas with their pinky in the air, and make jokes about running out of brie at the absolute worst times.
T’Challa’s Heir
Superstar
The Irishman has a higher budget than Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 1, Spiderman far from home, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Cap 2, Ant man 1&2 and the same as Far from home.
you see how he had to go to Netflix to get that budget.
Whether you think it’s pretentious or not it’s the same argument that’s been happening in the art form for decades. It’s why Spielberg got up in front of a crowd and said for ready player one he made a “movie” and not a “film” and the crowd cheered. So you’re either with the delineation or you’re not. They’re either for you or they’re not. To him they’re not high art. Cool. If someone disagrees that’s their right but this isn’t a new argument and it’s not something that’s going away.
And the only reason you and I are doing this is because you said he’s jealous. Which I completely disagree with for several reasons. He’s an old school guy and that’s an old school sensibility. The same guys he came up with (Lucas, Spielberg, Coppola) all feel the same way about cinema vs movie. And some critics still feel that way. Like I said if he doesn’t like what you like or doesn’t appreciate them the way you do, who cares?