Marcus Garvey was done so wrong

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Garvey brought a klansmen to a meeting and had him speak to everyone, Garvey told everyone this is what they actually think of you, the others are just too afraid to say it :wow:

They knew.

I don't think many of his followers did though. They learned that day. 4 out of 5 Native Blacks were in the South. So, he wasn't telling those who migrated north anything they didn't know. That is why they fled North - white terrorism.
 

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But I didn't shyt on him tho. The same white liberals running game on us now had him making moves that were symbolically impactful but tactically useless. And when he woke up to that fact he was murdered. :manny:

You insinuated that he wasn’t for Black people because white ppl like him

shyt is sick and disrespectful
 

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I have to agree. I think a lot of Black Americans don't take the time to learn about the people they look up too.

Mr. Garvey deserves his respect and place in Global Black History -- but his beliefs and actions regarding Native AA's and what we needed to do was off and high-key disrespectful IMO.
And no one no "thing" comes before the family. Not garvey not anyone else
 

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You insinuated that he wasn’t for Black people because white ppl like him

shyt is sick and disrespectful

Lol I insinuated

Some of yall nikkas have went full insane. You attribute all this malice to people who disagree with you but let all types of fukk shyt slide from people who tell you what you wanna hear.

And ain't no man above criticism, stop diefying people.
 
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Do you think Native Blacks didn't know how the KKK and whites felt about them? Come on.

All Black businesses "crownfunded all black and employed all black" back then -- they had no choice. IF, they were blessed to have a business and not have it burned down and destroyed.

I would advise you to learn more about Reconstruction and Jim Crow. Also, it's a few books on the KKK you should check out.

You can find out about just some the demonic ish whites were doing right after Emancipation here: The Freedmen's Bureau Online

Educate yourself fully.


XO u Mainly right. But understand we live in systematic white supremacy.

And for Garvey crowdfunding like that in 1921 was crazy.

Noi
NAACP
Black panther
Civil Rights movement

All was partly white funded.



Garvey was the only one I ever heard who didn't and employed all blacks.

That incredible and makes u a huge target, u see how long it take Tariq or Umar and this is 100 years later with greater technology.

I think he wanted blacks to kno many average whites thought like the klan.

U right his global black standing may be larger.

I respect his hustle and he loved black people.
 

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XO u Mainly right. But understand we live in systematic white supremacy.

And for Garvey crowdfunding like that in 1921 was crazy.

Noi
NAACP
Black panther
Civil Rights movement

All was partly white funded.



Garvey was the only one I ever heard who didn't and employed all blacks.

That incredible and makes u a huge target, u see how long it take Tariq or Umar and this is 100 years later with greater technology.

I think he wanted blacks to kno many average whites thought like the klan.

U right his global black standing may be larger.

I respect his hustle and he loved black people.

Please take some time and read and learn more about Mr. Garvey and his movement. All the details.

Garvey was also trying to be funded by Whites -- he was almost funded by the KKK - as they promised financial support - but AA leaders stepped in and stopped that.

KKK and White Separatist - who were committing killings, rapes and terrorism on Native Blacks daily.

Umar and Tariq do not belong in a sentence with Mr. Garvey. Garvey deserves better than that.
 
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I have to disagree.

That was their whole purpose as well - they had many goals. Suppressing -- hence killing Black men and women who tried to vote, open a store, making more money, owning land. As well, the goal to kill as many Native Blacks as possible.
I know just in 2019 they not doing nothing to no negro whether it be rural Mississippi or NYC
 
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The success of Marcus Mosiah Garvey and the UNIA made a number of Black leaders or activists increasingly uncomfortable, and for a variety of reasons. Amongst them were W.E. DuBois, Hubert Harrison, A. Philip Randolph and Chandler Owen, editors of the Messengermagazine, W.A. Domingo, and an organization called the African Blood Brothehood (ABB).

DuBois
Although DuBois initially commended Garvey's efforts, one has to question his sincerity. After all DuBois, considered the “Father of the Protest Movement,” had struggled against Booker T. Washington, and in Garvey, a supporter of the “Tuskegee idea” (racial self-help through industrial education within a racial segregated environment), he must have saw a continuation of that same battle. DuBois was at the same time developing a Pan Afrikanist program, and it is likely he viewed Garvey's program as either competition or a distraction. Also, DuBois had hoped to be the leader of Black folks. He had started the all-Black Niagara Movement but it failed; he instead ended up along with some white liberals establishing the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP).

In contrast, Garvey, whose formal education could not match DuBois', was able to the establish the largest Black organization in history, and seemingly overnight. By 1919, the UNIA claimed to have 2 million members and 30 chapters around the world. Garvey captured the attention and imagination of the Black folks in a way that Du Bois was never able to. (Or any Black leader before or since.) I think that considering the situation and circumstances, it is reasonable to assume that jealousy was a factor in the DuBois-Garvey situation, especially given the fact of who DuBois was—the first person of Afrikan descent to earn a doctorate from American's most prestigious university, Harvard.

Garvey noted when he visited the Crisis office the absence of visible black staff. In fact, Crisis was largely white staffed; as director of publications and research, Du Bois was the only Afrikan American among its early officers. This fact would arouse Garvey's suspicious not simply about the magazine, but the NAACP in general. He told an audience the 1920 UNIA convention, "Negroes are big, not by the size of their pocketbook, not by the alien company they keep but by their being for their race. You cannot advocate 'close ranks' today and talk 'dark water' tomorrow; you must be a hundred percent Negro." This was a backhanded attack on DuBois. It is not my intention in this last sentence to suggest that Garvey struck the first insult. As to who introduced the personal venom into their relationship: it is a moot point. DuBois was a bit of a snob and initially an elitist; Garvey was an agitator with a flare for showmanship. He “Agitated, Educated and Organize!” The collision course these two men were on seemed predestine.

By 1920 Du Bois had become deeply suspicious of Garvey's methods, ideas, and motives, and published his own damning expose of Black Star Line finances in the Crisis. (Garvey accused Du Bois of paying conspirators to sabotage the Black Star Line in order to destroy his reputation.) In fact, DuBois wrote a series of articles in Crisis between 1922 and 1924 attacking Garvey's movement. W.E.B. Du Bois called Garvey the most dangerous enemy of the Negro race -- either "a lunatic or a traitor." He said Garvey "suffered from serious defects of temperament and training" and described him as " a little, fat, black man, ugly, but with intelligent eyes and a big head." Garvey countered by calling Du Bois the Negro "misleader." He said DuBois was purely and simply a white man's ****** and that he was "a little Dutch, a little French, a little Negro...a mulatto. Why in fact," Garvey wrote, "he is a monstrosity." Many people, especially Philip Randolph, accused Garvey of introducing the color prejudice of the Caribbean into the Afrikan American milieux. This is utter nonsense—where ever the white man has inhabited he has left colorism; it is a by-product of white supremacy and a very convenient divide and rule mechanism. In Afrika America, colorism is the 800-lb gorilla in the room.

Garvey suspected that Du Bois was prejudiced against him because he was a Caribbean native with darker skin but DuBois does not mention Garvey's nationality, only his complexion. This might suggest, that for DuBois, whose father was born in Haiti, Garvey's immigrant background was less of a concern, and that colorism was more a concern. Why else would DuBois refer to Garvey as 'black and ugly'? Their conflict though supported by ideological difference, was more personal than ideological. (DuBois had not yet embraced Communism.) But ultimately, it was about power and leadership. DuBois felt he was better trained and educated for leadership of the race.

Garvey and the anti-Garveyites

So they both didn't see eye to eye in regards to the black race. The insults on both end are :picard:.
 

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Please take some time and read and learn more about Mr. Garvey and his movement. All the details.

Garvey was also trying to be funded by Whites -- he was almost funded by the KKK - as they promised financial support - but AA leaders stepped in and stopped that.

KKK and White Separatist - who were committing killings, rapes and terrorism on Native Blacks daily.

Umar and Tariq do not belong in a sentence with Mr. Garvey. Garvey deserves better than that.
Did you hear it come from Garvey that he wanted to be funded by whites or is it hearsay? Just curious.
 

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“I interviewed the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan to find out the Klan’s attitude toward the race. You may believe it or not-I made several statements to him, in which he said this: that the Klan is not organized for the absolute purpose of interfering with Negroes-for the purpose of suppressing Negroes, but the Klan is organized for the purpose of protecting the interests of the white race in America. Now anything that does not spell the interests of the white race in America does not come within the scope of the Ku Klux Klan. I found out, therefore, that the Ku Klux Klan was purely a racial organization standing up in the interests of white folks exclusive of the interests of others. You cannot blame any group of men, whether they are Chinese, Japanese, Anglo-Saxons or Frenchmen, for standing up for their interests or for organizing in their interest. I am not apologizing for the Klan or endeavoring to excuse the existence of the Klan, but I want a proper understanding about the Ku Klux Klan so that there can be no friction between the Negroes in America and the Ku Klux Klan, because it is not going to help.
With all due respect, Mr. Garvey was massively misinformed about the Klan and Black America. It also appears after meeting with them -- he still didn't get it.
:ld: Howso Dede. Sounds like he was describing systematic white supremacy in our government. Massively, I'd say no, I don't think if he was "misinformed" as you say, that he would later receive the amount of love and recognition from his peers and later the likes of Malcolm and Martin.
 

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Marcus wasn't for all Afro- whatever people coming to Africa and he said so himself.His argument was, why should white people, who have no links with Africa, continue benefiting from Africa's resources, yet people who had the birth right and skill to positively uplift Africa and the diaspora at the same time get no benefit from this birth right, anybody who describes Mosiah solely on the blackstarline incident is funny to me.Garvey said that the secret arm of the American government was the KKK at the time,because all evidence pointed to that.UNIA was the most inclusive black organisation of its time, Negro World was distributed all over the African diaspora in various languages, the businesses he started and the philosophy to hold it all together, was a remarkable achievement in that time.The only problem with both Mosiah and Du bois was that none of them could see the positive aspects of each other's arguments and work together.
 
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Marcus wasn't for all Afro- whatever people coming to Africa and he said so himself.His argument was, why should white people, who have no links with Africa, continue benefiting from Africa's resources, yet people who had the birth right and skill to positively uplift Africa and the diaspora at the same time get no benefit from this birth right, anybody who describes Mosiah solely on the blackstarline incident is funny to me.Garvey said that the secret arm of the American government was the KKK at the time,because all evidence pointed to that.UNIA was the most inclusive black organisation of its time, Negro World was distributed all over the African diaspora in various languages, the businesses he started and the philosophy to hold it all together, was a remarkable achievement in that time.The only problem with both Mosiah and Du bois was that none of them could see the positive aspects of each other's arguments and work together.


Yea garvey seen through the us gov bs.

He was ahead of his time
 

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:ld: Howso Dede. Sounds like he was describing systematic white supremacy in our government. Massively, I'd say no, I don't think if he was "misinformed" as you say, that he would later receive the amount of love and recognition from his peers and later the likes of Malcolm and Martin.

He was -- but his assumption that Native Blacks did not know that was where he was wrong. They didn't need for him to meet and work with the KKK to tell them that.

Mr. Garvey's relationship to race and White Supremacy -- was extremely different than those in America.

Native Blacks were either freedman (recently freed enslaved) and their children/grandchildren when Garvey entered this country. They were less than 25 years out of being enslaved -- and now going through Reconstruction and Jim Crow/Black code laws. A demonic time in white terrorism.

Different relationship and experience.

Garvey was taught White Supremacy and what it looked like from being in America. Native Blacks didn't need to be taught or told how whites felt about them. Garvey spent years traveling trying to shape his views about race -- Native Blacks didn't have the opportunity -- nor did they need to learn -they were living it. Garvey was in NYC -- were 1 out 5 Native Blacks were located -- and they were not dealing with the lynchings and violence on the scale of Jim Crow South.

That's great he received praised from Malcolm and MLK -- he deserved it for his efforts.

But, he didn't teach Native Blacks anything about White Supremacy and how whites felt about them. Blacks were under no fairytale on how they felt. They have always made that extremely clear. His opinions and strategies on how Native Blacks should move and fight for their rights in this country was off and wrong. Most can see that today.


Mr. Garvey:
Marcus Garvey was born and raised in St. Ann’s Bay, Jamaica. Garvey wasn’t aware of any racial segregation during his young life. Garvey was raised in segregation of whites and blacks, but he had a few white childhood friends. However, at age 14, Garvey was called "******" by one of his white friends and was told that his white friends were not allowed to see him anymore (Sewell 18). This was his first taste of racism; Garvey’s eyes were opened to all of the racism surrounding him. After that, he was no longer close to any white people, and racism and inequality became prevalent forces in Garvey’s life. St. Ann’s Bay was an impoverished town made up of peasants (Stein 24). Garvey’s parents were intellectuals, but there was no work for them in the industrial country of Jamaica. The Garveys were forced to work as laborers. Marcus and his sister, Indiana, were also forced to work in order for the family to have enough money to survive. Garvey had to quit school and begin working when he was 14 (Sewell 18).

By 1910, Garvey had made a name for himself in Jamaica as an accomplished printer, writer and politician. Garvey joined The National Club, the first organization in Jamaica which introduced anti-colonial thinking into Jamaica (Sewell 21). The inequality that Marcus Garvey encountered in the world outside of lower school in Jamaica was full of inequality and hatred for the black man. Garvey decided to leave Jamaica to see if blacks were treated the same way in other countries. Garvey spent the next two years, from 1910-1912, traveling around Central America experiencing the black condition in several countries (Sewell 18). He experienced the same condition around Central America as he found in Jamaica. So, he traveled to England to see if he found the same. In England, Garvey was pleasantly surprised. The blacks in England were not segregated, like in the west (Stein 29). Garvey took courses at Birbeck College in England. However, he studied a lot on his own, visiting museums and following black leaders in England (Stein 29).

Many of his ideas were developed during his stay in England (Stein 30). Garvey identified closely with the Pan-African movement in England. The main principle of this movement was "to unify people of color against imperialism all over the world" (McKissack 79). Garvey returned to Jamaica in 1914 and founded the United Negro Improvement Association.
 
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