Making Melo a lifer and waving at Felton in Rikers: Knicks offseason thread

[23Barrettcity]

How will we not have one of the worst teams if Melo leaves. He had his best statistical season ever and according to advanced stats was responsible for adding 10 additional victories in a season where we only won 37 games. Whose going to pick up his scoring slack Shumpert , Smith, Hardaway.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html

Don't look at stats look at our roster . Stats final season , healthy jr ,chandler , improved Timmy and I'm sure they'll make Other moves to the roster they aren't going into full rebuilding mode . It's not a 10-20 win team . Plus even then like I been saying the draft class can be weak as hell and no guarantee we get a high pick

 

[Victim of Racism]

No max players will come if they believe they have a chance to contend for championships or if the Knicks are willing to pay them the most money. If Melo is making the max then that probably isn't possible.





There is so much wrong with this post I'm not even sure where to begin, but:

1. Lebron James is better than Carmelo Anthony at literally everything in the game of Basketball. He defends, rebounds, and distributes the ball better. In his best scoring season he was able to average more points than Anthony has in his entire career. This is not a slight against Carmelo at worst he is currently one of the 15 best players in Basketball, but it is what it.

2. The Bulls team the Heat beat in 2011 won 61 games in the regular season, the Celtics 2012 went 39-27 in a strike shortened season, the Pacers in 2013 won 52, and won 54 games in 2014. Tell me which of these teams was the .500 team you were referring to?

3. Finally even though I would prefer to keep Carmelo him making more money than Lebron James simply does not make sense in anyway, because as we are seeing now if Lebron can not lead his team to victory by himself then no one in the NBA can.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2014_finals.html#MIA::25

P.S. fukk the Heat.

I thought like that too, but then I thought again. Why would they think they could contend if there are no max players already in place? The triangle, Phil, and Fisher?

Lj is one the worst defenders in the league. 'Melo is a much better defender and a better rebounder. I have stats and film to back it up, so be easy. Lj possibly has better vision than 'Melo but is barely a better passer than 'Melo (0.6 higher assist-to-bad pass-ratio, and this doesn't even account for the fact that 'Melo has never controlled the ball as much as Lj does). Lj is also a much worse ball-handler. I got stats for that too.

I was referring to playing two .500 teams when he was in Cleveland. Of course a stacked Heat team beat a Bulls team that only had Rose to score, and old Celtics team, and a Pacers team that can't score.

Your last point is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read, especially when he was never able to do it in Cleveland when he was on teams that produced more than the rest of the Heat roster is producing now.

 

[DirtyD]

Don't look at stats look at our roster . Stats final season , healthy jr ,chandler , improved Timmy and I'm sure they'll make Other moves to the roster they aren't going into full rebuilding mode . It's not a 10-20 win team . Plus even then like I been saying the draft class can be weak as hell and no guarantee we get a high pick

Who is the best player on this team next year if Carmelo isn't there?
Other than the coaching change and the hope of an injury free year from an older steadily declining Chandler what reason do you have to believe that the Knicks defense will improve? They still have Stoudemire, Hardaway, Prigs, and many others who were on the team last season coming back next year. A large portion of them are mediocre to good offensive players who can't play defense well enough often enough to really make a difference.

The Knicks had one of the best offensive players in the sport last year this season. If Melo leaves they will be forced to rely on the scoring of inconsistent players in JR and Hardaway, do you really think that Jr Smith taking more shots on this team would be a good thing?

Also who are these players that the Knicks can bring in to improve significantly? Even with the increase in the cap they are over the limit and that's if Melo leaves. This means that the Knicks only real move other than through trades is to use the MLE to sign someone for 3 million, what game changing player is going to take that money to turn this team around? The Knicks shouldn't trade Hardaway IMO, the only thing your getting back for Stoudemire is garbage, and Chandler's value is as a big on a contender who would probably be unwilling to give up anything except draft picks. So why will the Knicks not be that bad next year?

 

[Trip]

Y'all still argue with Trip?

youre still blowing Carmelo?

 

[Trip]

Aldridge wouldn't be able to carry the load melo has since he's been here. Let's not kid ourselves.

Aldridge isnt a carry the load type of player. He's a piece. Melo's a carry the load player because he's a ball hog. Aldridge isnt.

 

[obarth]

youre still blowing Carmelo?

I personally think that whatever we do with Melo, beyond giving him a max deal, is a win win. I see the positives in letting him go and the positives in him resigning at a discount. I'm just not an extremist that is going to hold the faults of a team/organization against the one bright spot we've had in a decade.

 

[Trip]

I personally think that whatever we do with Melo, beyond giving him a max deal, is a win win. I see the positives in letting him go and the positives in him resigning at a discount. I'm just not an extremist that is going to hold the faults of a team/organization against the one bright spot we've had in a decade.

Sign and trade would be A ok with me.

 

[DirtyD]

I thought like that too, but then I thought again. Why would they think they could contend if there are no max players already in place? The triangle, Phil, and Fisher?

Why would they think they had a better chance to contend playing second fiddle to Melo?

Lj is one the worst defenders in the league. 'Melo is a much better defender and a better rebounder. I have stats and film to back it up, so be easy. Lj possibly has better vision than 'Melo but is barely a better passer than 'Melo (0.6 higher assist-to-bad pass-ratio, and this doesn't even account for the fact that 'Melo has never controlled the ball as much as Lj does). Lj is also a much worse ball-handler. I got stats for that too.

Make things up brehs. Look at their USG%, it shows that in recent years Melo definitely controls the ball more than and that for their careers that they control the ball the exact same amount. Also for defense statiscally Lebron's best defensive season is so much better than Melo's it is not even close.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html#advanced::19
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#advanced::none

I was referring to playing two .500 teams when he was in Cleveland. Of course a stacked Heat team beat a Bulls team that only had Rose to score, and old Celtics team, and a Pacers team that can't score.

Lebron only made it to the Finals once in Cleveland.

Your last point is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read, especially when he was never able to do it in Cleveland when he was on teams that produced more than the rest of the Heat roster is producing now

I guess every NBA executive and scout who thinks Lebron is better than Melo is wrong and @ZemaPromos from thecoli is right. Have a day.

 

[The War Report]

All I care about is getting something back for Melo.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Aldridge isnt a carry the load type of player. He's a piece. Melo's a carry the load player because he's a ball hog. Aldridge isnt.

Aldridge couldn't carry a team for 82 games even if he wanted to. Melo isn't the reason we didn't make the post season, his teammates subpar and inconsistent play is.

 

[Trip]

Aldridge couldn't carry a team for 82 games even if he wanted to. Melo isn't the reason we didn't make the post season, his teammates subpar and inconsistent play is.

No one's asking LA to carry a team though. He's a great piece considering the lack of big men in the league these days. Melo gets confused with carrying a team because he holds the ball and doesnt pass.

 

[obarth]

Sign and trade would be A ok with me.

Same here. I'm confident in our leadership now, so compiling assets is a move that I don't see going wrong.

 

[OsO]

Same here. I'm confident in our leadership now, so compiling assets is a move that I don't see going wrong.

i could get with that, depending on what the knicks get back.

but here's some other food for thought:
here's a list of the existing max players in the NBA, in descending order of contract value:

• Joe Johnson, Nets — Six years, $123,658,089: Signed in July 2010 to a starting salary worth 30% of the salary cap, with raises worth 10.5% of the starting salary.
• Chris Paul, Clippers — Five years, $107,343,475: Signed in July 2013 to a starting salary worth 105% of his 2012/13 pay, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.
• Deron Williams, Nets — Five years, $98,772,325: Signed in July 2012 to a starting salary worth 105% of his 2011/12 pay, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.
• Blake Griffin, Clippers — Five years, $94,538,626: Signed in July 2012 to a rookie-scale extension, and qualified for a starting salary worth 30% of the salary cap via theDerrick Rose rule. Deal includes raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.
• Derrick Rose, Bulls — Five years, $94,314,380: Signed in December 2011 to a rookie-scale extension, and qualified for a starting salary worth 30% of the salary cap via the eponymous Derrick Rose rule. Deal includes raises worth 7.5% raises of the starting salary.
• Kevin Durant, Thunder — Five years, $89,163,134: Signed in July 2010 to a rookie-scale extension, and qualified for a starting salary worth 30% of the salary cap via theDerrick Rose rule. Deal includes raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.1
• Dwight Howard, Rockets — Four years, $87,591,270: Signed in July 2013 to a starting salary worth 105% of his 2012/13 pay, with raises worth 4.5% of the starting salary.
• Rudy Gay, Raptors — Five years, $82,302,690: Signed in July 2010 to a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 10.5% of the starting salary.2
• James Harden, Rockets — Five years, $78,782,188: Signed in October 2012 to a rookie scale extension with a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.
• Russell Westbrook, Thunder — Five years, $78,595,312: Signed in January 2012 to a rookie-scale extension with a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.3
• Carmelo Anthony, Knicks — Three years, $67,222,422: Signed an extension with a starting salary worth 110.5% of his 2011/12 pay, with raises worth 10.5% of the starting salary.4
• Kevin Love, Timberwolves — Four years, $60,825,938: Signed in January 2012 to a rookie-scale extension with a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.5
• Eric Gordon, Pelicans — Four years, $58,365,563: Signed an offer sheet in July 2012 with the Suns with a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 4.5% of the starting salary. The Pelicans matched.
• Roy Hibbert, Pacers — Four years, $58,365,563: Signed in July 2012 to a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 4.5% of the starting salary.6
• Marc Gasol, Grizzlies — Four years, $57,503,764: Signed in December 2011 to a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.7
• John Wall, Wizards — Five years, TBA: Signed in July 2013 to a starting salary worth either 25% or 30% of the salary cap, depending on whether he qualifies for the Derrick Rose rule. The deal will have raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary

man pay melo his f*ckin money

 

[The War Report]

i could get with that, depending on what the knicks get back.

but here's some other food for thought:
here's a list of the existing max players in the NBA, in descending order of contract value:

• Joe Johnson, Nets — Six years, $123,658,089: Signed in July 2010 to a starting salary worth 30% of the salary cap, with raises worth 10.5% of the starting salary.
• Chris Paul, Clippers — Five years, $107,343,475: Signed in July 2013 to a starting salary worth 105% of his 2012/13 pay, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.
• Deron Williams, Nets — Five years, $98,772,325: Signed in July 2012 to a starting salary worth 105% of his 2011/12 pay, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.
• Blake Griffin, Clippers — Five years, $94,538,626: Signed in July 2012 to a rookie-scale extension, and qualified for a starting salary worth 30% of the salary cap via theDerrick Rose rule. Deal includes raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.
• Derrick Rose, Bulls — Five years, $94,314,380: Signed in December 2011 to a rookie-scale extension, and qualified for a starting salary worth 30% of the salary cap via the eponymous Derrick Rose rule. Deal includes raises worth 7.5% raises of the starting salary.
• Kevin Durant, Thunder — Five years, $89,163,134: Signed in July 2010 to a rookie-scale extension, and qualified for a starting salary worth 30% of the salary cap via theDerrick Rose rule. Deal includes raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.1
• Dwight Howard, Rockets — Four years, $87,591,270: Signed in July 2013 to a starting salary worth 105% of his 2012/13 pay, with raises worth 4.5% of the starting salary.
• Rudy Gay, Raptors — Five years, $82,302,690: Signed in July 2010 to a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 10.5% of the starting salary.2
• James Harden, Rockets — Five years, $78,782,188: Signed in October 2012 to a rookie scale extension with a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.
• Russell Westbrook, Thunder — Five years, $78,595,312: Signed in January 2012 to a rookie-scale extension with a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.3
• Carmelo Anthony, Knicks — Three years, $67,222,422: Signed an extension with a starting salary worth 110.5% of his 2011/12 pay, with raises worth 10.5% of the starting salary.4
• Kevin Love, Timberwolves — Four years, $60,825,938: Signed in January 2012 to a rookie-scale extension with a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.5
• Eric Gordon, Pelicans — Four years, $58,365,563: Signed an offer sheet in July 2012 with the Suns with a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 4.5% of the starting salary. The Pelicans matched.
• Roy Hibbert, Pacers — Four years, $58,365,563: Signed in July 2012 to a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 4.5% of the starting salary.6
• Marc Gasol, Grizzlies — Four years, $57,503,764: Signed in December 2011 to a starting salary worth 25% of the salary cap, with raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary.7
• John Wall, Wizards — Five years, TBA: Signed in July 2013 to a starting salary worth either 25% or 30% of the salary cap, depending on whether he qualifies for the Derrick Rose rule. The deal will have raises worth 7.5% of the starting salary

man pay melo his f*ckin money

Overpay him to do what?

 

[Mr swag]

Don't worry Knick fans melo has a good chance of staying. Knicks will refuse a trade to rockets or bulls. Why?

Knicks will pay 20-30 million in lux tax for some late round 1st. Why on earth would they do that? That means melo can't go there then in turn fukking him over. So he most likely will return