Making Melo a lifer and waving at Felton in Rikers: Knicks offseason thread

[The War Report]

So you believe the loss of Tyson Chandler exceeds the importance of the loss of Raymond Felton? Cause that's the only way I can see the argument that this ten has less legit talent. Jose Calderon and Samuel Dalembert aren't experienced? Explain to us where you're coming from with this

Felton sucked ass, but Calderon isn't going to stop PG's from wreaking havoc in the paint. Chandler wasn't the best rim protector, now there's not even a semblance of that on this roster; Dalembert is a non fukking factor. Did you forget that Calderon use to play in those bad ass Raptors teams with none other than....Andrea Bargnani? Guess what team they're playing for now. :melo:

@Emperor_ReinScarf talk to them about these two.

 

[JMurder]

Felton sucked ass, but Calderon isn't going to stop PG's from wreaking havoc in the paint. Chandler wasn't the best rim protector, now there's not even a semblance of that on this roster; Dalembert is a non fukking factor. Did you forget that Calderon use to play in those bad ass Raptors teams with none other than....Andrea Bargnani? Guess what team they're playing for now. :melo:

@Emperor_ReinScarf talk to them about these two.

Calderon is still eons better than Felton regardless of being unable to play defense and Tyson Chandler was often a nonfactor after his first year here so that's a wash. Or do I need to remind you of all the games we lost because Tyson Chandler either suffered from or was recovering from flu like symptoms

You focused on all of the negatives and none of the positives. Yes, you're being negative

And comparing teams who's best two players weren't on Melo's caliber means you're not really saying anything. So what Bargnani played with Calderon before? If he's not getting #1 option minutes then it's a completely different ball game isn't it

 

[GunRanger]

Nah, those Knicks teams didn't tank well enough because those drafts had legit stars. I blame dumb ass Donnie Walsh.

Isiah picking Balkman one pick ahead of Rondo. :pau:


Donnie drafted a PF, when his handpicked coach needs a PG to run his system, and there was Jennings, Lawson, Teague, and Holiday on the board still


Most overrated GM stint in forever.

 

[The War Report]

The reason LeBron is going back to cleveland is he'll be pairing with young talent - talent that was acquired with high draft picks. Kyrie Irving was a number one pick. Which means if you had the 18th pick, you weren't getting kyrie irving, which means you don't get LeBron. Tristan Thompson was the 4th pick. Dion Waiters was the 4th pick.

They're going to get Kevin love in a trade - who by the way was the 5th pick in the nba draft.

The reason they can trade for Kevin Love is because they are giving up Wiggins who was #1 in his draft, and Bennett, who was #1 in his draft.

I don't know when this backwards anti-draft sentiment started. But it's not just wrong, it's willfully ignorant. The majority of superstars in the NBA were lottery picks. I have faith that Phil Jackson can find talent with later picks... but I have MORE faith that he can find MORE talent with HIGHER picks. Because math. Because Logic.

So when people come in here and say "Well I believe that this team can be great!" That's fine, but it's disconnected from reality. It's like none of you have ever watched the game before. Or read a book. Or connected two thoughts together. I don't want the knicks to suck, I want them to be great. I want them to win. They are not going to be great this season.

"When you have a player as great as Melo, you try to win as many games as possible" - why? It's an ironclad contract, he's not going anywhere. He's here. When you have a player, you shouldn't waste his prime with AVERAGE rosters and OK teams and 6,8,10th seeds. You should surround him with talent. And this summer, we have cap space and a draft pick, and you guys are sitting here REALLY TRULY IN REAL LIFE arguing that we'd be better with the 19th pick than we would be with the 6th or 8th or 3rd. What planet did you come from? Dudes are in here talking about rading Bargnani for Greg Monroe... like, what in the blue fukk are you talking about? You don't think that deal would need to include picks? And how good do you think Greg Monroe is, really? Have you watched any pistons games?

No wack posters. Watch more games, and get off the internet.:mjrascal:

Breh, it's like you're trying to rationalize with religious radicals.

 

[The War Report]

Calderon is still eons better than Felton regardless of being unable to play defense and Tyson Chandler was often a nonfactor after his first year here so that's a wash. Or do I need to remind you of all the games we lost because Tyson Chandler either suffered from or was recovering from flu like symptoms

You focused on all of the negatives and none of the positives. Yes, you're being negative

And comparing teams who's best two players weren't on Melo's caliber means you're not really saying anything. So what Bargnani played with Calderon before? If he's not getting #1 option minutes then it's a completely different ball game isn't it

Did you just skip over the part where Calderon isn't going to alleviate the problem of PGs shytting all over us? So they're just going to score more than the opponent even though they can't get stops? What big on our roster is going to guard the pick n roll? Amare?

 

[23Barrettcity]

Did you just skip over the part where Calderon isn't going to alleviate the problem of PGs shytting all over us? So they're just going to score more than the opponent even though they can't get stops? What big on our roster is going to guard the pick n roll? Amare?

Ok but he might also out score guards too something Felton never did

 

[The War Report]

Ok but he might also out score guards too something Felton never did

Outscore? :bunk:



Calderon is not that type of point guard.

 

[N.Y. State of Mind]

YO @I.V. , why do you keep bringing up the Cavs like that situation isn't an anomaly? How many Lebron James type players are out there? And @The War Report , you really want this team to play like ass and get 25 wins, all for the hope of drafting a 19 year old to come and turn everything around? The Sixers tanked 2 seasons ago and got Noel, and this dude missed the whole season. They tanked again last season and got Embiid, and he's going to miss this season. Tanking doesn't have a track record of building championship teams. Matter of fact, the only team to tank and win a chip with the player they drafted in the last 20 years were the Spurs in 1996-97. And they didn't even tank on purpose. The Admiral, their best player, missed the whole season. And Elliot missed more than half of it himself. If I'm missing any other teams, ya'll are more than welcome to point it out.


Is it really that ludicrous of a thought to think the Knicks should play their hardest this season, while establishing a culture of hard work, accountability, and cohesion. Learn the triangle and build chemistry while playing for a new coach/front office as well as for pride and self respect. And then when they season ends and Amare and Bargs' contracts come off the books, we use that flexibility to add free agents who fit in to what we've built and draft that way as well. Is that type of plan that absurd?

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Draft talentnt always doesn't pan out. I'm not willing to waste Melo's prime years for some unproven 19 year old kid that POTENTIALLY be really good.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Outscore? :bunk:



Calderon is not that type of point guard.

He's a better scorer than Felton isn't he ??? You just enjoy being miserable , Knicks win a title and you already complaining at the parade how they can't possibly defend the title next year

 

[The War Report]

Draft talentnt always doesn't pan out. I'm not willing to waste Melo's prime years for some unproven 19 year old kid that POTENTIALLY be really good.

Is that not what the Knicks have been doing?

He's a better scorer than Felton isn't he ??? You just enjoy being miserable , Knicks win a title and you already complaining at the parade how they can't possibly defend the title next year

His career avg is 10ppg. :lolwut:


He's more efficient but Jose Calderon is not a scoring point guard. Get that through your thick ass head.

 

[DPresidential]

Hold up...

We have people in here saying shyt like, "that's because we didn't tank well enough"?!


TANK WELL ENOUGH.


People want us to intentionally miss shots and lose games.

They want us to be good at tanking.

I'm done.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Hold up...

We have people in here saying shyt like, "that's because we didn't tank well enough"?!


TANK WELL ENOUGH.


People want us to intentionally miss shots and lose games.

They want us to be good at tanking.

I'm done.

The Knicks of the past decade traded about half of their first rounders away and fukked up their cap by awful signings. You can't really rebuild if you trade half your picks and do win now moves(getting Starbury; Curry, etc). Meanwhile in that same decade, the Thunder were built because of acquiring young assets. Also if it wasn't for Roy and Oden's knees, we would be talking about the Blazers building a great team, because they stockpiled on young talent as well.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Is that not what the Knicks have been doing?


His career avg is 10ppg. :lolwut:


He's more efficient but Jose Calderon is not a scoring point guard. Get that through your thick ass head.

I never said he was a scoring pg , look around the league Felton wasn't even out scoring bottom feeding guards in the NBA and was horribly inefficient so potentially he can outscore guards . You just want to be negative all the time breh

 

[23Barrettcity]

The Knicks of the past decade traded about half of their first rounders away and fukked up their cap by awful signings. You can't really rebuild if you trade half your picks and do win now moves(getting Starbury; Curry, etc). Meanwhile in that same decade, the Thunder were built because of acquiring young assets. Also if it wasn't for Roy and Oden's knees, we would be talking about the Blazers building a great team, because they stockpiled on young talent as well.

We had back to back top 10 picks and drafted gallo and Jordan hill . The blazers are a good example. Of how the draft can backfire and. Succeed , they missed out on. Jordan and Kd . Now if kd leaves okc and they never won a title aren't they really in the same boat as the Knicks as they never won a title . NBA has the least amount of parity of any sport you can do all that stuff your saying and never get better than a conference finals appearance . The. Nba isn't as Easy to predict as you make it , sixers tanked and missed out on both top players cavs attempted to make the playoffs and got the first pick . The east is weak breh knocks should give their best effort this year