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Making Melo a lifer and waving at Felton in Rikers: Knicks offseason thread
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Yup! That's why him and Bargs lost all that weight. Phil told the players what kind of conditioning they have to be in for the Triangle because it's a motion offense. That's also why Phil brought in so much athleticism:
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Yup! That's why him and Bargs lost all that weight. Phil told the players what kind of conditioning they have to be in for the Triangle because it's a motion offense. That's also why Phil brought in so much athleticism:
Bargs is healthy?
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42-50. Somewhere in there.
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Melo finna go off this year breh.
Worst case: 35 Wins
Best Case: 43 Wins
Most likely the Knicks win 38 games and finish as the 9-10 seed.
Go away
Worst case: 35 Wins
Best Case: 43 Wins
Most likely the Knicks win 38 games and finish as the 9-10 seed.
We aren't tanking so go away . We can win the Atlantic , act like Toronto is some world class team that couldn't beat the nets in the first Rouen
Name the plenty of talent.
Cliff, Mundiay, Towns, Winslow, Stein, Stan Johnson, Harrison and Selden, not to mention a couple of really interesting internaional prospects like Herzonja, Porzingis... and guys will emerge as the year goes on.
We see non-lottery picks end up being the better selections all the time, for the most part the talent level is so close.
The talent is not always close. For example, a guy like Tyler Ennis goes 18, he's not nearly on the level of a Wiggins/Parker/Joel or even an exum.
Timmy was drafted I think like 24th, and if that draft was done over he would be top 10 easily. The draft is crap-shoot!
Yes, after a year or two, when you redraft players' slots change. But it's not a crap shoot. There's a significant amount of scouting involved... and that was an extremely weak draft. Hardaway is a good player, but he can't defend or pass. He's not an all star.
Knicks own their 1st rd pick they can add talent that has a good chance of
being just as good as a lottery pick.
Mathematically, this doesn't make any sense. The higher the pick, the more players you have to choose from. So actually, you have a far lower chance of landing lottery talent.
If you're a free-agent why would you want to join a team that's coming off two losing season's....
Amar'e did. Melo forced a trade here after a decade of futility. LeBron just signed with cleveland.... fukk out of here with this.
We've seen that script written already, nobody is falling for the "allure" of playing in NY especially with that cut-throat media.
You think players are avoiding cities because of the "cut throat media?"
You have to have something tangible they can see and say ok the Knicks making moves in the right direction. Knicks have a legitimate chance to win the Atlantic that alone gives them a 4th seed.
And yet they are in a demonstrably worse position than the bulls and cavs... and they are a worse team than last year, which didn't make the playoffs.
Obviously our opinions on Melo differ, imo he's Top 5,
You guys are still holding onto that, huh?
When you have a player of that caliber and paying him the amount you are, you try and field the best team around him every season he's on your team.
I agree. And my point is you field a better team with a better pick. Us winning 43 games this year isn't going to help field a better team. This season, we will be average. That's settled.
Phil has already said he feels like this team can win now,
Of course he has.
when have you known Phil to jump on something he knew wasn't going to be successful, dude not dumb.
Nobody is saying he's dumb. And they can be successful AND not win this year. You better come to grips with it, because this team isn't very talented.
The Knicks have talented players on the roster we saw flashes even last season as bad as it was. I agree this season is a trial run, but trial run doesn't automatically mean not successful. We will see, I think the Knicks will be better then a lot of people think
But that's 3 reasons why tanking is dumb!
Those aren't reasons, those are opinions. And poorly defended opinions, at that.
This team is worse than it was last year. There is less talent on the roster. I hope they play well, I'd always rather root for a good team than a bad team. But we're not competing for a championship... not even close. Some of you kids need to wake up to that. This season is all about NEXT year, freeing up salary cap, giving us flexibility to get more talent. And the best, and easiest way to get cheap talent is through the draft.
So let's see how the season plays out, we're still months away and the East has opened up. But that doesn't make the Knicks a better team...
I think sometimes you guys get lost in "Yo we could get a 5th-6th seed
" That's not success... that's being the hawks. Extended mediocrity is not a goal, not for me at least.
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Bargs is healthy?
Mills and a number of others said he is.
You realize your giving your opinion also ?? The thing is you disagree with how good melo is so in your narrative the team still sucks , but to a lot of us who think melo is a top 5 talent we feel he needs less help in order to be successful . Also a lot of us thing the triangle can be a big help especial with a pg who can run it and replacing the black hole Felton. Plus even if we are just a 5-8 the seed this year we can pieces next year in fa to combine with melo which can make us much better . With the draft it's no guarantee we get a high pick or even a player who develops with a high pick . The cavs stayed mediocre and needed bron to come back the Hornets did too until they started signing FAsThose aren't reasons, those are opinions. And poorly defended opinions, at that.
This team is worse than it was last year. There is less talent on the roster. I hope they play well, I'd always rather root for a good team than a bad team. But we're not competing for a championship... not even close. Some of you kids need to wake up to that. This season is all about NEXT year, freeing up salary cap, giving us flexibility to get more talent. And the best, and easiest way to get cheap talent is through the draft.
So let's see how the season plays out, we're still months away and the East has opened up. But that doesn't make the Knicks a better team...
I think sometimes you guys get lost in "Yo we could get a 5th-6th seed
The reason LeBron is going back to cleveland is he'll be pairing with young talent - talent that was acquired with high draft picks. Kyrie Irving was a number one pick. Which means if you had the 18th pick, you weren't getting kyrie irving, which means you don't get LeBron. Tristan Thompson was the 4th pick. Dion Waiters was the 4th pick.
They're going to get Kevin love in a trade - who by the way was the 5th pick in the nba draft.
The reason they can trade for Kevin Love is because they are giving up Wiggins who was #1 in his draft, and Bennett, who was #1 in his draft.
I don't know when this backwards anti-draft sentiment started. But it's not just wrong, it's willfully ignorant. The majority of superstars in the NBA were lottery picks. I have faith that Phil Jackson can find talent with later picks... but I have MORE faith that he can find MORE talent with HIGHER picks. Because math. Because Logic.
So when people come in here and say "Well I believe that this team can be great!" That's fine, but it's disconnected from reality. It's like none of you have ever watched the game before. Or read a book. Or connected two thoughts together. I don't want the knicks to suck, I want them to be great. I want them to win. They are not going to be great this season.
"When you have a player as great as Melo, you try to win as many games as possible" - why? It's an ironclad contract, he's not going anywhere. He's here. When you have a player, you shouldn't waste his prime with AVERAGE rosters and OK teams and 6,8,10th seeds. You should surround him with talent. And this summer, we have cap space and a draft pick, and you guys are sitting here REALLY TRULY IN REAL LIFE arguing that we'd be better with the 19th pick than we would be with the 6th or 8th or 3rd. What planet did you come from? Dudes are in here talking about rading Bargnani for Greg Monroe... like, what in the blue fukk are you talking about? You don't think that deal would need to include picks? And how good do you think Greg Monroe is, really? Have you watched any pistons games?
No wack posters. Watch more games, and get off the internet.:mjrascal:
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Breh... Lebron James, the no.1 draft pick...
Has two championships.
two chips that he helps a team, OTHER than the one he was drafted to, WIN.
Duncan, he is a great example. Jordan & Olajuwan. People who brought a chip to the team that drafted them.
How often does it happen? And in recent years, how often has a high draft pick translated into being in contention within 5 years. Because that our time frame w/ Melo's contract.
You are in 2k land. How often do top free agents go to teams that were lottery status the year before? Don't discredit the human element. Phil Jackson would be dug through the dirt if the Knicks have a terrible season, rife w/ no effort from the players. There is something called atmosphere. We want a positive one.
Breh... Lebron James, the no.1 draft pick...
Has two championships.
two chips that he helps a team, OTHER than the one he was drafted to, WIN.
Duncan, he is a great example. Jordan & Olajuwan. People who brought a chip to the team that drafted them.
How often does it happen? And in recent years, how often has a high draft pick translated into being in contention within 5 years. Because that our time frame w/ Melo's contract.
You are in 2k land. How often do top free agents go to teams that were lottery status the year before? Don't discredit the human element. Phil Jackson would be dug through the dirt if the Knicks have a terrible season, rife w/ no effort from the players. There is something called atmosphere. We want a positive one.
NO TANK ZONE
Y'all know better.
Stop that tank talk because you know phil don't play that shyt
Y'all know better.Stop that tank talk because you know phil don't play that shyt
Breh...fukk are you talking about. Where have you been?
If you are honestly saying the Lebron James saga is something that can be attributed to "the norm" or something that can be expected...then I'm sorry, you're way off base.
What is going on w/ Lebron James is such an anomaly breh. Can you give other examples?
EDIT: I'm sorry, but this should be in some vault as one of the most reactionary posts I've ever seen. It truly is astonishing.
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