Majority of Black Americans reject the idea of GAY right as CIVIL rights..

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Can someone explain to me how gays are oppressed?

Sodomy Laws (historically.. don't think they're used much anymore)
Unable to serve in CIA/FBI/Military/NSA
Hiring Discrimination (not protected by federal law)
Violence/Harassment by people
Not being able to Marry
Unable to adopt in certain states
Housing discrimination

 

[Marvel]

This has NOTHING to do with whether there were gay folks marching with MLK.

I'm a regular poster here in Higher-Learning so I generally know the folks I see in science/history or other intellectual threads. Your ass ain't one of them. Folks crawl out the woodwork when they see a thread about homosexuality.

What do you mean they have no leg to stand on? They're human fukking beings, they deserve the right to marry each other in their pursuit of happiness (an unalienable right). Humans fall in love with eachother, start families and get married. That's what we do. It doesn't matter if you're white, black asian, gay, heterosexual or bisexual.

That's what we're talking about here. Not whether homos marched with fukking martin luther king.

So.."Invisible gay people" who marched with MLK should've told the world how gay they were instead of having a "hidden" agenda and that is "why they aren't the same".

What..the fukk.. It's impossible to debate people who have no sense of logic or being able to use that logic to convey a point. You make no sense. And this is not me trolling. It's genuinely a waste of my time.

Just because you spend most of your time in the kitchen, doesn't mean you know how to cook

 

[intilectual recipricol]

That's kind of vague...

What equal rights in particular?

marriage... but it doesnt matter what the inequity is.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Just because you spend most of your time in the kitchen, doesn't mean you know how to cook

well, I'm intelligent enough to know you're a fukking moron so I guess that counts for something. Go back to other parts of the forum where you don't have to muster up any intellectual will power.

 

[The Real]

Can someone explain to me how gays are oppressed?

They suffer considerable economic discrimination (similar to racial minorities, the average homosexual is more likely to be poor, and earns less for the same work as their heterosexual counterparts,) discrimination in healthcare, are not allowed to gain access to the full legal benefits of marriage, cannot adopt (despite the American Pediatric Association concluding that 30 years of research says they should be able to,) are more likely than the average person to be attacked or assaulted (based on their sexual orientation,) and have to deal with common negative stereotypes disseminated through the media and their effects.

 

[alpo]

This has NOTHING to do with whether there were gay folks marching with MLK.


Your ass ain't one of them. Folks crawl out the woodwork when they see a thread about homosexuality.

What do you mean they have no leg to stand on? They're human fukking beings, they deserve the right to marry each other in their pursuit of happiness (an unalienable right). Humans fall in love with eachother, start families and get married. That's what we do. It doesn't matter if you're white, black asian, gay, heterosexual or bisexual.

That's what we're talking about here. Not whether homos marched with fukking martin luther king.

So.."Invisible gay people" who marched with MLK should've told the world how gay they were instead of having a "hidden" agenda and that is "why they aren't the same".




What..the fukk.. It's impossible to debate people who have no sense of logic or being able to use that logic to convey a point. You make no sense. And this is not me trolling. It's genuinely a waste of my time.

intelligent threads in the KTL?


answer this question, can gays create a family? this is a intelligent question! this question has "logic" and "meaning"!is i'm using "that logic to convey a point"?

 

[alpo]

well, I'm intelligent enough to know you're a fukking moron so I guess that counts for something. Go back to other parts of the forum where you don't have to muster up any intellectual will power.

this guy calls himself intelligent.......

 

[No1]

exactly. the quest for Black rights wasn't just about Blacks, it was a quest of Universal freedom for all. It single-handedly paved the way for people of all colors/religions/sexual orientations/genders to seek equal rights as well. I don't see ANYONE ever say that gays have had to go through as much suffering or were denied as many rights as blacks. But they are denied the right to marriage which they're trying to obtain now. I don't understand why these cats get so angry and upset (read the posts in this thread, you can feel the venom in them) with the comparison. They avoid the talk about rights and just start rambling about how Blacks had it so much worse than gays and that gays can hide the fact that they're gay (which isn't really possible if you want to be able to fall in love with another man and have a normal relationship..how the fukk are you going to hide the fact that you're dating a man?)

See, here you are again, arguing against shyt while failing to take the time to fully understand. I don't say this often, but I'm going to be real about this. You're not black and that's why you don't understand why it pisses black people off when the comparison is made. Sometimes, there's just some things you won't fully get unless it's articulated to you. With black people it's a visceral reaction as you can see in here, it's not something that needs to be explained to us. It has little to do with christianity the way intellectual and others are trying to paint it.

People do equate the struggles and we had a thread earlier this year talking about it with a bunch of eloquent opinions. Brown Pride, also didn't realize that it offended black people, even someone progressive like me until we explained it to him. I have no qualms about gay marriage, but do not like it being equated with the civil rights movement. People who are not black equate the two all the time. Macklemore is running around with a popular song right now doing just that.

Gays are largely arguing and fighting for symbolic equality (obviously economic benefits are at play as well) and recognition and fighting against stigma and that sort of equality. Sure it's a civil right, but what is at stake is a on a much lesser scale and to continue to analogize the two is taken by MANY black people as downplaying what our ancestors went through. It's the same way how my Jewish friends are automatially offended by reckless Nazi and Holocaust comparisons. I try not to get into comparing genocides and things of that sort, but when something clearly isn't among that penunmbra of terrors then the comparison is just lazy. I could go on forever. The day you stop using "on my facebook" and "I've never heard anyone say this" as shortcuts is when you'll get it.

And amid all this you fail to realize that rejecting the idea of it being an equivalent Civil Rights struggle is not equivalent to not supporting the cause. Black Americans still remain in higher support of gay rights than the American population as a whole. Imagine that, people are complex. :obamaword:

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

intelligent threads in the KTL?


answer this question, can gays create a family? this is a intelligent question! this question has "logic" and "meaning"!is i'm using this question to use "that logic to convey a point"

In our current society, yes, they can create a family.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Stop comparing the gay lifestyle to being black...they are not the same. Who is teaching you tbayhis shyt?!

Where were these gay people when MLK was marching through Selma? Now, you want us to jump on board with people that were invisible when we were enslaved and being lynched. Then when brothas do all the heavy lifting...they want to talk about rights. You can't hide when you are black

i'm not the one comparing their lifestyles, YOU are for whatever reason its a contest about "who's had it worse", that's pretty damn clear. you "win" i guess idk wtf yall want for pointing that out. this is more a question of "who's had their rights infringed"--that is what we have in common. this is just another minority tryna live their life and do them without any bullshyt. why can't you relate? you're telling me shyt would be okay if we could hide the fact that we're black?

and bayard rustin didn't march through selma, but he was the chief organizer for the march on washington. where mlk gave his "i have a dream speech"? but he was also gay and a gay rights proponent.

 

[The Real]

Black Americans still remain in higher support of gay rights than the American population as a whole. Imagine that, people are complex. :obamaword:

Do you have a stat for this? I've been looking for one.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Sodomy Laws (historically.. don't think they're used much anymore)
Unable to serve in CIA/FBI/Military/NSA
Hiring Discrimination (not protected by federal law)
Violence/Harassment by people
Not being able to Marry
Unable to adopt in certain states
Housing discrimination

Sodomy Laws...When was someone put in jail for sodomy?
You can be openly gay and serve in the military
The FBI has openly gay employees as well. Its helluva lesbians working for the FBI

Hiring discrimination? In what fields?

Violence?

Gay marriage is an oxymoron don't you think? Everything that you listed is not applicable and resembles nothing of oppression...Not even being able to marry...

How is it, that an institution that is as old as mankind, is expected to be revamped and redefined overnight?

Eventually gay marriage will be legal, but if that's all that they can complain about in 2013 then I don't see why you nikkas are riding so hard for em....

 

[Marvel]

well, I'm intelligent enough to know you're a fukking moron so I guess that counts for something. Go back to other parts of the forum where you don't have to muster up any intellectual will power.

You are mad because I don't agree with you. Stop being so sensitive Blake...

 

[alpo]

Sodomy Laws (historically.. don't think they're used much anymore)
Unable to serve in CIA/FBI/Military/NSA
Hiring Discrimination (not protected by federal law)
Violence/Harassment by people
Not being able to Marry
Unable to adopt in certain states
Housing discrimination

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

marriage... but it doesnt matter what the inequity is.

Being skeptical about redefining the basic element of society, which is the family structure, is oppressive to gays now?

That aint oppression man...