Lupe Fiasco “kendrick is not a top tier lyricist to me”

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:sas2:them facts tho. But your ass ain't gonna listen to no argument so whatever:manny:
It's not facts.

The musicality of Kendrick's music is only due to budget and location, why it has nothing to do with Kendrick's artistry. :bryan:

Lupe is just as good a writer as Kendrick but he chooses to write metaphors instead, coulda shoulda woulda ass nikka :mjlol:
 

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Lupe had his shot and blew it. His industry issues didn’t help but he was never trending to the type of status Kendrick has. He had hype and cosigns from Kanye, Hov and Pharrell but he just didn’t have the records that Kendrick has consistently been able to produce.

Nothing on F&L or The Cool measures up to Alright, Sing About Me, Money Teees, Kill My Vibe, Poetic Justice, Humble

Storytelling >>>>>> punchlines, entendres and puns

I gave you a dap because I feel the gist of where you are going but bruuuuhhhh nothing on F&L or The Cool was as good as Poetic Justice? ......Poetic Justice??:dwillhuh:




What would lead you to say that fam??

“The Coolest” alone is as good as most of those tracks not even to mention “American Terrorist” :whew: which is for sure just as good if it better from a technical conceptual execution stand point as anything Kendrick has ever done
 

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It's not facts.

The musicality of Kendrick's music is only due to budget and location, why it has nothing to do with Kendrick's artistry. :bryan:

Lupe is just as good a writer as Kendrick but he chooses to write metaphors instead, coulda shoulda woulda ass nikka :mjlol:


Bro they not trying to hear logic. They became forever delusional the minute Lupe got their dikks hard by referencing some obscure anime from 1980 in one of his rhymes. The nerd shyt got em. Ain't no coming back from that. In their minds Lupe above Nas and all the greats.
 

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It's not facts.

The musicality of Kendrick's music is only due to budget and location, why it has nothing to do with Kendrick's artistry. :bryan:

Lupe is just as good a writer as Kendrick but he chooses to write metaphors instead, coulda shoulda woulda ass nikka :mjlol:
Ok nikka:russell: if u say so:Mjparadise:yall ain't gonna listen to reason. So I'm done here:yeshrug:
 
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You know what it is

nikkas don't know what a punch is

For every great build up should be a climax.

"Dudes is far from what they pretend to be tho
I den fired few shots and got plenty to go so
If it ain't love let's begin to be foes
Just know my mind kinda off I'm like Emily rose"
:feedme:
Smh

"Sometimes this rap shyt seem so easy till you at home looking at tv
Pissed you having a fit changing it from mtv
Cuz you lookin at them thinking that should be me"
:cook:nikka was cooking

All the same song and so many more from the same song. Kendrick gotta have one of those somewhere right?
“We used to beefing over turf, fukk beefing over a verse
nikkas dying, motherfukk a double entendre“

“The school of hardknocks, we was the first ones in attendance
You walking down the block, he got shot, you were no eye witness
You just mind your business
You just turn your head, kneel down and then tie your tennis
It's kind of scary ain't it?
can't act like no bytch, that only got Tyler Perry famous“


“And this is Comp-ton, lions in the land of the triumph
Wrap saran our defiance, ban our alliance
Put burners in the hands, of the black man
One hood with 20 four-four's like a cloned Kobe Bryant“


:whew:

All in one verse tho .... damn near back to back to back tho ....yikes
 

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then what exactly is Kendrick good at then :jbhmm:
my post was about Lupe's general lyricism criteria. not about kendrick specifically. i think Kendrick is good at displaying introspection. not the best by far but that's one of the aspects i enjoy in his music from time to time.
 

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Writing overly complex metaphor heavy, lyrical miracle songs is not strong song writing. Kendrick writes better hooks than Lupe and his verses are strong while still being accessible. Lol at not being close. Kendrick's albums are better and composed of better songs how is Kendrick not even close in song writing to Lupe? :mjlol:
This argument is pointless...

It’s the same talking points from both sides every time. :snoop:
 

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People actually doing that?:dahell:
Probably anecdotal at best ....nikkas love running with what one obscure person says and then using that to color an entire arguement
 

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This argument is pointless...

It’s the same talking points from both sides every time. :snoop:

Breh you already know nikkas been had this conversation before about Kendrick's lyrical ability where we really got down to brass tax and dissected that nikka bars, a lot of these folks in this thread going hard for Kendrick was not saying shyt in those threads :mjpls:
 

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to be fair to lu, (i may be wrong cuz i only saw the tweets once) i dont think he said kendrick doesnt have quotables (in fact i think he specifically said he knew adhd word for word which implies he can quote some memorable lines like "8 doobies to the face, fukk THAT"..."we crack babies cuz we born in the 80s, that adhd crazy")...i think it was the forum just started regurgitating the same quotable argument that they use everytime kendrick artistry comes up.

Aint not fairness,he said Logic and Cassidy were better than Kendrick:martin:
 

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He turned down machine generated hits until he turned into a raging cynic near the end
of his major label time. Lasers literally has a "Generated by a major label think tank" single on it.

Lupe's experience on a major is clearly vastly different from Kendrick Lamar's
and their musical output is indicative of it.

One artist's label had little to no faith in them recouping their investment in his project
so they slowly wrestled creative control from him, the other has proven himself three times
over and the label gradually backs off and lets him really do some shyt that isn't really happening
in either arena (Mainstream or Indie).
Meh, Lasers is trash and the songs that Atlantic wanted to push were pop soft but they did numbers. The thing is tho, the songs that they wanted him to use would have blew up. Nothing on you and I believe Airplanes were Lupe's songs until he was like no, and they moved on and gave them to B.o.B.



Lupe was coming off of 2 highly rated and critically acclaimed albums with F&L and The Cool. Had he played the game with Atlantic and went along with that, who knows how big he is right now. But on the flip side... look at B.o.B's career since that? They basically made him their pop happy go lucky rapper for years and now when you hear his music it's clear that that shyt took a toll on him.


He didn't turn down Jay as an executive producer on his album,the man had Jay and Kanye cosigns. Should have been on cruise control with no need to comprimise? Were Superstar and Show Goes On the atlantic generated hits?as bad as they were they weren't horrible for singles.

Far as Kendrick is concerned,I don't see any comprimises,seems like pure artistic integrity on his end. I'll let you know when he drops a Lasers,hopefully Kendrick fans will keep it real and not blindly still try to blame the label:martin:

But he turned down signing with the Roc. Kendrick from what I can tell, has went with the flow and went along with whatever was put in front of him. I'm not knocking him about it, but just like you said... Lupe off of mixtapes had the likes of Jay-Z and Kanye wanted to work with him. Had Jay wanting to sign him. For Kendrick, he got on with TDE and then linked up with Dre... then he signed to Interscope. I don't know the details around what Atlantic was trying to get out of Lupe and I don't know what TDE and Interscope presented to Kendrick, but clearly Lupe went about doing things without relying on those co-signs. Lupe's been about his business since the jump, and he's stayed true to that... so while Kendrick hasn't dropped a dud, you nor I know the details around his deals with TDE and Interscope. I don't know how many people are getting a piece of Kendrick Lamar. That's what I mean by compromise.

Lupe wasn't willing to compromise his beliefs to just do whatever Atlantic wanted him to do. Interscope still having Kendrick on Taylor Swift songs and singing along online for cross promotion. Suge Knight also came out and said Kendrick is signed to one of the worst deals a star could be signed to when he was on Arsenio's show a few years ago.

So yeah, Interscope might be all for him putting out whatever he wants on his albums to an extent when they know they are caking more off him. There was a clear difference in the rollout to TPAB and DAMN tho, and there were clear direction changes made and just listening to that album it's clear that the label wanted him to drop something that would be more trendy and catchy than TPAB was.
 
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