Lupe Fiasco “kendrick is not a top tier lyricist to me”

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Dudes in here are just commenting on stuff they don’t really know in depth about. It’s more complex than “Lupe fukked up, Kendrick did better with his career”

They assume Lupe and Kendrick were/are the same person, and were afforded the same situation as far as management and etc.

Lu’s right hand man and co-CEO founder of 1st & 15th Chilly went to prison. Chilly went to prison and FNF fell apart, that means all the artist (Matthew Santos, Gemini, Sarah Green, etc) got thrown to the wind along with Lupe to an extent. Around the same time his pops passed along with his homie Stack Bundles.

His whole label was basically dissolved, and with Chilly not on the streets handling business it left Lupe in a difficult place in having to juggle his company while not being able focus solely on the music. He had to take on assignments he wasn’t ready for by himself. After 2007 when The Cool came out and Chilly was gone, that’s when Atlantic tried their hand with the 360 shyt.

It’s like Top Dawg getting locked up at the start of Kendrick’s run (let’s say, by the time finch comes out) and all the TDE artists/producers gotta lean on Kendrick’s power to uphold the house.

Plus the other stuff you mentioned, Lupe was never gonna be a superstar cuz it wasn’t even his intention to be one.

What the fukk do people think his hit single “Superstar” is about? :dead: Lupe ain’t built for it


I came in to say basically the same thing...
 

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Coming from a lupe and Kendrick fan....lupe is the better lyricist while k dot is the better artist that overall makes better albums ....besides the cool, which shows that rappers need more than just dope ass bars to make good albums:manny:
 

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I can see that. It's takes skill to be a good lyrical rapper and be mainstream. Jay did it. So did Bigs but yeah, elite lyicalists are never mainstream outside of a wave like Lupe was on for a min since the 80s
I actually think it's disrespectful. It's like saying Lupe isn't well-rounded.
 

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Meh, Lasers is trash and the songs that Atlantic wanted to push were pop soft but they did numbers. The thing is tho, the songs that they wanted him to use would have blew up. Nothing on you and I believe Airplanes were Lupe's songs until he was like no, and they moved on and gave them to B.o.B.



Lupe was coming off of 2 highly rated and critically acclaimed albums with F&L and The Cool. Had he played the game with Atlantic and went along with that, who knows how big he is right now. But on the flip side... look at B.o.B's career since that? They basically made him their pop happy go lucky rapper for years and now when you hear his music it's clear that that shyt took a toll on him.

Yeah but the difference between lupe fiasco and B.o.B. is vast.
B.o.B. is cool but IMO he's on that Charles hamilton/Childish Gambino/Chance The Rapper tier of rapping.
Competent enough to put a song together but not an exemplary talent putting together great albums.
B.O.B. admitted himself that he was focused on getting to the money so he took whatever Atlantic was
sure was going to do well on radio. And for a while that worked however when you can't
or won't do much outside of that, your career is guaranteed to falter.

Lupe already shown that he could put albums together but his ego from what I gather
got in the way of his label doing their job, which is helping to keep him in the spotlight and
move records. He was nice enough to score some hits on his own but in comparison to
Kendrick, he couldn't and hasn't pumped out singles that can appeal to a wide group of people
since his first two albums.

I'm pretty certain that if Lupe fiasco could've moved a million records once or twice
the people above him wouldn't have said shyt because they're getting their money back
a couple times over at that point.

Kendrick did that and kept his artistic integrity, that's tough to do and something to be lauded.


So yeah, Interscope might be all for him putting out whatever he wants on his albums to an extent when they know they are caking more off him. There was a clear difference in the rollout to TPAB and DAMN tho, and there were clear direction changes made and just listening to that album it's clear that the label wanted him to drop something that would be more trendy and catchy than TPAB was.

That's the thing though, I don't believe that was a "label decision".
Kendrick Lamar from the jump has kinda clowned underground pretension
and judging by what he says on his records and who worked with he's thus far he clearly has no
issue with trying to get a single to hit or writing something more "accessible".
He'll gladly work with 2Chainz or Travis Scott then hop on a song with Jay Electronica.

And if I'm being real nothing on DAMN is really that far from TPAB or GKMC, the singles fall in line with
what he already did on those albums. And the concepts pertaining to his views on violence or god or
any of that have been there since the Kendrick Lamar LP and Overdose.
Those aren't "direction changes", that's doing what you've been doing and what he's been doing
has been working out.

People forget that TPAB Ultimately moved at least a million units same with GKMC and DAMN
while still being thematically heavy in comparison to alotta cats.
Interscope likely isn't looking to jump and screw that up so I have a hard time believing some
interscope tents pumped out some hits for Kendrick like atlantic had to do with B.O.B. and Lupe fiasco.
 

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Kendrick’s performance when he’s on point is amazing bro. Easily one of the best performers of this new gen. Kendrick’s performance >>>>>> Drake.
It could be because I saw him while he was touring with TPAB... but I wasn't impressed. I had checked out Big Krit the same week too, and the energy just wasn't close. Krit's live shows are :whew:
 

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How u gonna put KA and not Roc Marci bro? Lol. Reloaded is a modern day classic. And please dont bring up Jay Elec. nikka disqualified. Lol
:wow:
That's another one I didn't name.
Roc Marciano
:blessed:

Yeah Jay Elect is definitely out of the conversation.
:to: but I can dream right ? :to:
 

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Meh, Lasers is trash and the songs that Atlantic wanted to push were pop soft but they did numbers. The thing is tho, the songs that they wanted him to use would have blew up. Nothing on you and I believe Airplanes were Lupe's songs until he was like no, and they moved on and gave them to B.o.B.



Lupe was coming off of 2 highly rated and critically acclaimed albums with F&L and The Cool. Had he played the game with Atlantic and went along with that, who knows how big he is right now. But on the flip side... look at B.o.B's career since that? They basically made him their pop happy go lucky rapper for years and now when you hear his music it's clear that that shyt took a toll on him.




But he turned down signing with the Roc. Kendrick from what I can tell, has went with the flow and went along with whatever was put in front of him. I'm not knocking him about it, but just like you said... Lupe off of mixtapes had the likes of Jay-Z and Kanye wanted to work with him. Had Jay wanting to sign him. For Kendrick, he got on with TDE and then linked up with Dre... then he signed to Interscope. I don't know the details around what Atlantic was trying to get out of Lupe and I don't know what TDE and Interscope presented to Kendrick, but clearly Lupe went about doing things without relying on those co-signs. Lupe's been about his business since the jump, and he's stayed true to that... so while Kendrick hasn't dropped a dud, you nor I know the details around his deals with TDE and Interscope. I don't know how many people are getting a piece of Kendrick Lamar. That's what I mean by compromise.

Lupe wasn't willing to compromise his beliefs to just do whatever Atlantic wanted him to do. Interscope still having Kendrick on Taylor Swift songs and singing along online for cross promotion. Suge Knight also came out and said Kendrick is signed to one of the worst deals a star could be signed to when he was on Arsenio's show a few years ago.

So yeah, Interscope might be all for him putting out whatever he wants on his albums to an extent when they know they are caking more off him. There was a clear difference in the rollout to TPAB and DAMN tho, and there were clear direction changes made and just listening to that album it's clear that the label wanted him to drop something that would be more trendy and catchy than TPAB was.



you don't know the details behind Lupe either,other than what they tell you. And what do you mean,he was cosigned by Jay-Z and Kanye at damn near their peaks of where their cosign meant alot. That was all that was needed for Lupe to be looked at as the next great rapper in hiphop. Not to mention he was one of the first of the nerd rappers. Just when nerds started to gain a voice in hiphop media,he was their original hero. Kendrick has distanced himself from Dre just as much as you can say Lupe distanced himself from Jay-Z and Kanye. But who cares if you distance your self after the cosign has already set in and gotten you your momentum:mjlol:?

And Lupe was doing songs with Ed Sheeran for gods sake,Mathew Santos who was the offbrand version of whiteboy from Coldplay:martin:. I don't want to hear about how Lupe never comprimised,and there was a clear direction change with Lasers but they label said they had nothing to do with that:hubie:

Lupe was once again trolling,playting victim of the label was just a promotional gimmick rappers used during that era to build energy around their fanbase. Lupe fans just bought into hook line and sinker,and still don't see they were duped. If Interscope made Kendrick change direction with DAMN,good job it was much better than TPAB:blessed:
 

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If you grew up a fan of funkadelic parliament the Ohio Players Bootsy amd then progressed into bro-soul etc it’s very easy to see why someone would call TPAB an easy listen musically .... can’t really see how that’s controversial


Being from California it’s not even a comparison to bring up how many cars I heard playing DAMN and LOUDLY vs any SchoolBoy project ..... that’s not even some shyt worth talking about honestly ...and I love Q’s music but c’mon my man let’s get real
Bro thats the thing. Im a big fan of all of that music. But I think other hip hop artists have made the transition better than Kendrick did.
 

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16 pages of peasents chirping about the perception of their rat king :lupemperor:
 

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Coming from a lupe and Kendrick fan....lupe is the better lyricist while k dot is the better artist that overall makes better albums ....besides the cool, which shows that rappers need more than just dope ass bars to make good albums:manny:
Im willing to argue that the streets fukked with more Lupe singles than Kendrick’s in real life. Kick Push, Daydreaming, I Gotcha, Pressure, Sunshine(low key), Hip Hop Saved My Life, Superstar, Paris,Tokyo. Etc etc.
 

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I've seen both of them live and Lupe easily is the better performer.

Kendrick's touring looks to take a toll on him physically because he's flying everywhere, so a lot of the times he just looks like he's out of it.
Nice. I know I watched videos of Lupe doing shows in Chicago around 2008.

Dude used to do back flips and shyt on stage. He raps word for word with joints like Streets On Fire and Mural without missing a beat. That’s crazy.
 

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Yeah but the difference between lupe fiasco and B.o.B. is vast.
B.o.B. is cool but IMO he's on that Charles hamilton/Childish Gambino/Chance The Rapper tier of rapping.
Competent enough to put a song together but not an exemplary talent putting together great albums.
B.O.B. admitted himself that he was focused on getting to the money so he took whatever Atlantic was
sure was going to do well on radio. And for a while that worked however when you can't
or won't do much outside of that, your career is guaranteed to falter.

Lupe already shown that he could put albums together but his ego from what I gather
got in the way of his label doing their job, which is helping to keep him in the spotlight and
move records. He was nice enough to score some hits on his own but in comparison to
Kendrick, he couldn't and hasn't pumped out singles that can appeal to a wide group of people
since his first two albums.

I'm pretty certain that if Lupe fiasco could've moved a million records once or twice
the people above him wouldn't have said shyt because they're getting their money back
a couple times over at that point.

Kendrick did that and kept his artistic integrity, that's tough to do and something to be lauded.
I tip my hat to Kendrick for having the machine behind him and churning out great albums.

With Lupe however, he had tension and label struggles since F&L and Kick Push dropped. The label didn't want Kick Push to even be a single, it was his mans Chilly that put the bread up and started getting that shyt in rotation... then the label had to just fall back and said fukk it at that point. So while Lupe's first 2 albums were dope and had accessible songs/singles on them, the beef between what he wanted to do and what Atlantic wanted him to do had already been in motion.

He felt like he already showed them that he knew what his fans and hiphop heads wanted after a Grammy and 2 great successful projects under his belt... so the Lasers situation was just all types of bizarre because they tried to sign him to a 360 and they were trying to spoon food him songs that were constructed for him, he just wasn't with it.


That's the thing though, I don't believe that was a "label decision".
Kendrick Lamar from the jump has kinda clowned underground pretension
and judging by what he says on his records and who worked with he's thus far he clearly has no
issue with trying to get a single to hit or writing something more "accessible".
He'll gladly work with 2Chainz or Travis Scott then hop on a song with Jay Electronica.

And if I'm being real nothing on DAMN is really that far from TPAB or GKMC, the singles fall in line with
what he already did on those albums. And the concepts pertaining to his views on violence or god or
any of that have been there since the Kendrick Lamar LP and Overdose.
Those aren't "direction changes", that's doing what you've been doing and what he's been doing
has been working out.

People forget that TPAB Ultimately moved at least a million units same with GKMC and DAMN
while still being thematically heavy in comparison to alotta cats.
Interscope likely isn't looking to jump and screw that up so I have a hard time believing some
interscope tents pumped out some hits for Kendrick like atlantic had to do with B.O.B. and Lupe fiasco.
:comeon:

TPAB and DAMN are far apart musically. TPAB is far more jazzy and funk inspired when it comes to the instrumentation and sound. He revved up the spoken word, the message he wanted to convey... and that took priority over melodies and harmonies. Just compare the first singles for both... i vs Humble, it's clear that the direction was vastly different sonically. Then you have songs like Love, God, Element, DNA... I could keep going, but DAMN doesn't sound anything like TPAB, which is a good thing, I fukk with DAMN

:heh:
 

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Nice. I know I watched videos of Lupe doing shows in Chicago around 2008.

Dude used to do back flips and shyt on stage. He raps word for word with joints like Streets On Fire and Mural without missing a beat. That’s crazy.
He'll also freestyle live
:whew:

Remember him throwing on Don't Like at the AAHHFest here in Chicago a few years ago and was like

:whoo:
 
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