Lord of The Rings: Rings of Power TV Series - Season 2 (August. 29. 2024/Official Thread)

[B. Pumpaveli]

That looks awful

 

[YaThreadFloppedB!]

I think Galadriel rock climbing is a flashback to how she got to MiddleEarth. She had just fought at the first Kin-Slaying when there was a battle between 2 different Elf clans and forced to take the passage north

That the only reason someone would be rock climbing in chain mail like that lol. So weird to see

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Just here for the production values - some Marvel films don't even have this kind of budget.

Half a billy…no Marvel film has ever had this kind of budget hell no movie I can recall has ever had this kind of budget.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Word?

Right that is a cacian thing to complain about.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Mods are allowing cacs to let their nuts to hang in this section I see

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Gotta be honest... i have no clue about the lore beyond what we've seen already. so it won't bother me at all..

 

[ISHIDA]

shyt was trash, cant believe a 2001 movie look better than this shyt

 

[Kooley_High]

I thought the wheel of time was like this too but it's been awhile since I read the books. This is also how most of the world still is. Races and ethnicities are still largely segregated by geography. The exception is the US, Brazil and some western countries. Ironically what they are doing is actually less diverse because they are trying to make all the shows look like modern US

The wheel of time is like this. Different ethnic groups in different regions etc. When amazon adapted it, it wasnt the case though. I can understand Tar Valon being the exception, as they gather people from all over the continent, and also the White Cloaks but everywhere else was kind of off. The looks of the Aiel werent changed though ironically

 

[Macallik86]

Spoiler

 

[OnFleekTing]

No modern social consciousness requires that past works all have to be reinterpreted to accommodate modern sensibilities
The days of fantasy/medieval settings being a sea of white people are finally ending
The backlash against this series is primarily being used by alt right actors who have coopted this series as another attempt to start a culture war

 

[egsteel]

Like someone earlier stated, diversity is nice but it has to make sense. Tolkien created a world based on Northern European folklore. Like Peter Jackson, the writers and Amazon were merely caretakers of Tolkien's work. It was never up to them to make his world diverse or any other changes. If diversity was their goal than they should've called it something else.

 

[jay211]

New trailer.

 

[Brehcepticon]

New trailer.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I find it extremely distracting when they stick every race that exists in these shows. Tolkiens universe reflects old Norse and English mythology, it’s not supposed to be a diverse world (at least not parts of it, eg the elf world or the shire). Westeros is the same, supposed to be the war of the roses

Diversity is a worthy goal but when you treat everyone as fungible you take away what’s special and unique for each collective group. It completely broke immersion for me when they had a bunch of different ethnicities in WoT when I’m pretty sure the inhabitants of two rivers have lived there for thousands of years

that said, I’m looking forward to this

His views were flawed and racist to begin with. He was imaging a lily white Europe free of nikkas as if he was there hundreds/thousands of years ago. It doesn't matter what period you're talking about (Middle Ages, Classical Age, Hunter Gatherers)...People have always traveled to each and every landmass. Europe is a short distance from the Middle East and Africa. How else could the Romans, Greeks, Turks and Persians conquer all three landmasses if they weren't all easily accessible and close enough to support said empires? Common sense tells you there would be soldiers, priests, merchants, philosophers, nobles and politicians traveling back and forth and artwork/statues/flags/records supports that; both ways, with whites in Africa and non-whites in Europe. Then going back further in history, white skin only developed maybe 10,000 years ago. So what past was he drawing from?

For example, earlier this year, the genome sequencing of a hunter-gatherer who lived in what is now Spain helped build the case that Europe was home to blue-eyed but dark-skinned people. This man, however, lived just 7,000 years ago. The researchers write that their analysis suggests that light skin was not yet widespread and ubiquitous in Europe at the time. Earlier work done with the genes of the 83 people in the new study, supported by linguistic evidence, also shows that populations in Europe about 8,000 years ago would have been mixed and diverse.

[T]he new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.
But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

Source: The Smithsonian: Here’s How Europeans Quickly Evolved Lighter Skin

If he was being unbiased and objective, his works would have been majority white but, he should have also had characters that were non-white as well because science supports it. Likewise, if someone made an epic fantasy set in Africa, it would be correct to have it be majority black but, objectively speaking, it should also feature some Arabs, lighter complected Berbers and Mediterranean Euros. Amazon doesn't have to uphold the worldview of some cac from the 1800s who thought border checkpoints were around thousands of years ago. It's factually incorrect and it's just plain racist.

 

[CHERUB]

On the question of diversity, I think it's a fine goal to pursue, personally I think a major strength of the genre is pulling from real world cultures and exaggerating them to create cool as warriors, weapons and armors, and then telling stories how various racial groups interact as allies and enemies(orcs vs elves vs man). My irritation, at least with how black people are handled, is that they always put them in as multi-cultural representation for the European based group or faction. And they mostly never do this with the fantasy Asians or Arab representatives in medieval works. Like when an Asian pops up in this genre, they're always coded as a fantasy version of east Asian cultures. As in they they have their own cities and nations within the fantasy world that they come from. They also have their own mythos/background written into their stories. And their armor and weaponry is like a cool fantasized version of their real world counterpart culture.

I mean look at haradrim warriors from the original LOTR movies, their badass as shyt precisely because they got their own unique identity. I think that should be the approach with black people rather than just having a dwarf or elf being played by a black actor and then calling it a day, especially when you have a whole black dispora to pull from to do cool shyt, similar to the haradrim. And there isn't really a strong reason why they can't do this with LOTR; far harad, the implied fantasy africa of middle earth, is completely open. But for whatever reason, writers really want black ppl to be represented as the minority in the European based region of these worlds only. Like when the new GOT side project was announced and they expressed a desire to have black chars in the story, I though they were going to explore summer isles or introduce chars/warriors from there but instead they just retcon a segment of the Targaryen's to be black. Really? That's the most interesting idea they could think of???