Looking back, it's fukked up how 2pac went at C. Delores Tucker
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Donald Sterling has a lifetime achievement NAACP award and was about to get another one before shorty went public with his statements.
spliz
SplizThaDon
It wasn't her viewpoint that was the problem. That was part of it. She directly attacked him without giving him a chance for dialogue with her. She used that shyt as a political tool. The shyt she was doing was damn near grounds for a defamation suit.I see now why her and others were against the music and its influence on children now.
As a youth I was cheering Pac on when he mentioned her but now not so much. I think eventually he could maybe not agree with her but at least respect her viewpoint if he got older.
spliz
SplizThaDon
No it isn't. That shyt is a lie. And the number of classic and successful albums during that time frame that DIDNT have that kinda content is proof of it. nikka do u even remember what was poppin during that time frame? That shyt was an excuse for artists who didn't last. But it wasn't a valid one.
Why should she give him a chance for a dialogue? Did Pac ever speak out against those teens shooting that cop after blaming Pacs music?
Nope.
2pac gave zero dialogue on the situation so he was fair game for going after. That was the main reason they called him out in the 1st place and him not openly denouncing what those kids did left him wide open for such criticism.
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
why are you posting all these niche acts, first & foremost..
1995.. lets see.. OB4CL, Liquid Swordz, Soul Food, Do You Want More..?, Poverty's Paradsise, Coast II Coast, Labcabincalifornia, Sittin On Chrome, The Show OST... ODBs album.. Goodfellaz..
hip hop was still, very lyrical.. matter of fact, there was actually more of a balance at that time, than i can remember..
if you were around back then.. im sure you wouldnt have to rely on video clips of niche acts, to attempt to re-affirm anything.. whats next.. you gonna post a clip of Fat Boys, saying something about how hip-hop changed in the 90s..?
i also just realized, you said ATCQ was around in the 80s.. they didnt drop until 1st quarter of 90.. im just going to conclude you have no idea wtf you're even talking about..
spliz
SplizThaDon
nikka
. fukk did he have to say? They blamed him for some shyt he had nothing to do with. Which is obvious. Only a small minded person would say the type of shyt u saying. She is a politician and launched a crusade against him. He had he RIGHT to respond and defend himself. fukk are u arguing? The shyt didn't have anything to do with her. She inserted herself. And he had the right to respond. Damn what a ignorant viewpoint u have.
nikka
ok u didnt even respond to what i said...u just hurled profanities and insults so let me re word it cuz u missed the point.
u just said it yourself....Pac said nothing after the teens blamed his music for why they shot the cop. You're the one who said She directly attacked him without giving him a chance for dialogue with her. Pac had all the chance in the world to give dialogue on the situation but like u just admitted he said nothing. So he was fair game to go after being that he said nothing after the teens shot the cop.
and its hypocritical of u to stress that Pac defended his music when she called him out yet u also stress that Pac said nothing to defend his music when those teens shot that cop cuz it had nothing to do with him.
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naw that was never gonna happen....
cuz it wasnt even bout attacking pac or anyone else in music....
alotta the black elders was using certain rappers as a proxy for ALL young black males...
they didnt really give a fukk about "gangsta rap"....
it was nothin more than black elders deflectin blame onto the youth.... that means gen-x....
u notice none of the elders protest rap music anymore.... even tho it still promotes violence AND drug use....
cuz thats what they were all about in their own lives....
gangsta rap aint create the single mother epidemic, gang violence, drug abuse, high school drop out....
thats 100% on the civil rights generation... mostly baby boomers...
all u gotta do is peep americas homicide rate...
went thru the ROOF the 60s after a record low in the 40s and 50s... the numbers dont lie....
Decivilization in the 1960s
And figure two, Homicide rates in US and England 1900-2000, shows that in the 1960s the homicide rate in America went through the roof.
Figure two - Homicide rates in US and England 1900-2000
After a three-decade free fall that spanned the Great Depression, World War II, and the Cold War, Americans multiplied their homicide rate by more than two and a half, from a low of 4.0 in 1957 to a high of 10.2 in 1980 (U.S. Bureau of Statistics; Fox and Zawitz: 2007). The upsurge included every other category of major crime as well, including rape, assault, robbery, and theft, and lasted (with ups and downs) for three decades. The cities got particularly dangerous, especially New York, which became a symbol of the new criminality. Though the surge in violence affected all the races and both genders, it was most dramatic among black men, whose annual homicide rate had shot up by the mid-1980s to 72 per 100,000.
The rebounding of violence in the 1960s defied every expectation. The decade was a time of unprecedented economic growth, nearly full employment, levels of economic equality for which people today are nostalgic, historic racial progress, and the blossoming of government social programs, not to mention medical advances that made victims more likely to survive being shot or knifed. Social theorists in 1962 would have happily bet that these fortunate conditions would lead to a continuing era of low crime. And they would have lost their shirts.
Why did the Western world embark on a three-decade binge of crime from which it has never fully recovered? This is one of several local reversals of the long-term decline of violence that I will examine in this book. If the analysis is on the right track, then the historical changes I have been invoking to explain the decline should have gone into reverse at the time of the surges.
An obvious place to look is demographics. The 1940s and 1950s, when crime rates hugged the floor, were the great age of marriage. Americans got married in numbers not seen before or since, which removed men from the streets and planted them in suburbs (Courtwright 1996). One consequence was a bust in violence. But the other was a boom in babies. The first baby boomers, born in 1946, entered their crime-prone years in 1961; the ones born in the peak year, 1954, entered in 1969. A natural conclusion is that the crime boom was an echo of the baby boom. Unfortunately, the numbers don’t add up. If it were just a matter of there being more teenagers and twenty-somethings who were committing crimes at their usual rates, the increase in crime from 1960 to 1970 would have been 13 percent, not 135 percent.[2] Young men weren’t simply more numerous than their predecessors; they were more violent, too.
these are just write ups and opinions. the lists i provided were based on sales figures and chart positions....were they not? again, I operate on facts and not personal opinions and feelings.
this statement doesn't even make any sense. Ice Cube's AmeriKKKa's most wanted I would say was a conscious album
but it was also street...hardly anything any rational educated black person would protest over.
on the flip side you had grand nubian who were far from street but also concious
your logic is flawed here as is your argument.
how is it a lie? because YOU say so?
we're literally 20 years deep in trap music and you're arguing that this 2 decade long era is no different than the blaxploitation era that lasted what, a few years?
i've read and heard criticism of the blaxploitation era before, this is not new. but you're blatantly ignoring my point about it STILL having positive upsides about community upliftment
female empowerment, demonizing drug dealing and the destruction of the black community
the blaxploitation era was an extension of the black power movement - it wasn't perfect but it wasn't all bad. not even close
what is there good about Chief Keef? drill music? trap music? oh, it's making a few people rich, boy...dr kings dream sure is working like clockwork huh
this dropped in 1989 too
again, cats will say anything to bear hug their beliefs, even try and re-write history as though it can't be easily googled in a matter of mere seconds..it's really bizarre to watch
Lol how u know that ... Just cause I ain't no bias Stan who gobbles up everyword tupac said or that pac was a saint ... Ok nikka got ya
how tho spliz..Plenty ov "unbiased " folk who were around pac have said the same thing ... nikka had amazing talent had so much potential but brought a lot ov negative energy around wen on deathrow n got himself into bullshyt which dumbed himself down instead ov what he shoulda been .... If pac coulda seen how he was moving the last few stages ov his life I bet he himself would be shaking. His head ..... my point is spilz nikkas have all the right in the world to put pac up there on high regard as far as his music I would never Knock that is talents was unreal ... But take the music away from the man for second ... The way nikkas put him up there off-wax is totally false like a leader , pro-black , realest etc nothing he did makes him that espiscally on deathrow ... U said he was been loyal to suge there's a way ov been loyal spliz without blurring the line between rapper n on some gang-shyt I.e shouting /claiming /repppin mob , mob tatto , various assults with piru ..
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
no one can please your ass. Mentioning living people doing shyt 20 years after Tupac died. What type of retarded logic is that?
Also you asked what Pac did for the community and people gave examples and now you're moving goalposts.
Did you ever organize a free launch program to kids ? Shut up you sound like a delusional militant, and you have the audicity to questing people that have done more than you for the Black community
