PhonZhi
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What are your thoughts on how "media propaganda" has been used throughout history as a form of psychological warfare on the masses?
Looking back, it's fukked up how 2pac went at C. Delores Tucker
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What are your thoughts on how "media propaganda" has been used throughout history as a form of psychological warfare on the masses?
@Geoffrey_Chaucer
Breh, here's something you need to understand. Pac could rise from the dead and shoot these nikkas mammies square in the forehead, and they'll still come up with excuses to why he did it
This thread is very sad
This isnt a good look at all. Can you imagine in 2050 all these guys telling their sons and grandkids about the great man Tupac Shakur and how he did great things like spoke at a Malcolm X dinner in dungarees and a skull cap?
"Son he did great things like...he SPOKE to Al Sharpton"
"The hennesy Pac rapped about represented the pain young Black men drink everyday and endure"
I dont care if Jada said Pac schooled her about Malcolm X and the Black Panthers...what did he DO?
Dudes in here talking about him going to see fans in wheelchairs lmao.That is good as icing on the cake IF you are already doing bigger work
But if anybody on the coli used the same example for a celeb today going to see a fan in a wheelchair as an example they would get clowned
And guys cant say Pac only had 5 years and the stars today had 20 years to build their money
Cause these same fools brag how Pac did so much in 5 years especially in music but couldnt find time to get his money up and do more?
We know the infamous thing he was told...to get his money up and then go to war
Think about that...he got his money and went to war instead of using that new money to go to bat more for humanitarian concerns affecting black americans
From October 95 to September 96 Pac was getting more money than the past. yes i mentioned how he was broke when he died in his bank account but suge was even giving him allowances during this time and some of his own money
What the hell was Pac during in that peak time to help people?
Let us both wait for the Pac stans to answer
Im on topic
yes and as I showed you, most rap in 93 wasn't gangsta
I already did by bringing up the point that the reversals of the civils rights gains had already started in the 70's almost 20 years prior to gangsta rap. Those same reversals in gains is what gave hiphop, the climate to be born
exactly my point and the reversals were already taking place...no need to blame it on gangsta rap. You tried to makeit sound like gangsta rap was the beginning of the reversal of the gains from the 1960s civil rights when we all know that's a damn lie
a reversal of gains
1) see, you all try to shift the debate by making these statements that "most rap in 93 wasn't gangsta"
but glossing over the fact that the chronic/doggystyle/death row sold millions more albums/singles than just about everybody else in hip hop
one doesn't cancel out the other simply because you want it to - the culture shifted in 92-93, anybody arguing otherwise is again, in denial
1993 in hip hop music - Wikipedia
2) Oh you mean like rappers delight? the fat boys? stop it. Hip hop was an extension of DISCO, it was a form of artistic expression and party music
you're trying to create a socio-political argument to have a leg to stand on in this debate and it just makes you look desperate.
3) Delores Tucker was explicitly arguing that WHITE RECORD EXECS were exploiting poor misguided black youth for profit through gangster rap
and that it would have long lasting damaging effects on our community. so to that you say she was wrong?
don't be so married to your beliefs that you wind up just not making any sense - tupac was wrong, and delores tucker was right on this issue. period.
spliz
SplizThaDon
This thread is just exposing people left n right. Smh.why are you posting all these niche acts, first & foremost..
1995.. lets see.. OB4CL, Liquid Swordz, Soul Food, Do You Want More..?, Poverty's Paradsise, Coast II Coast, Labcabincalifornia, Sittin On Chrome, The Show OST... ODBs album.. Goodfellaz..
hip hop was still, very lyrical.. matter of fact, there was actually more of a balance at that time, than i can remember..
if you were around back then.. im sure you wouldnt have to rely on video clips of niche acts, to attempt to re-affirm anything.. whats next.. you gonna post a clip of Fat Boys, saying something about how hip-hop changed in the 90s..?
i also just realized, you said ATCQ was around in the 80s.. they didnt drop until 1st quarter of 90.. im just going to conclude you have no idea wtf you're even talking about..
spliz
SplizThaDon
Stfu cornball.
IllmaticDelta
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some of you cats have some foggy memories of hip hop and when the culture changed and never went back to that PG-PG13 era
kid n play's UNSUNG episode details it best: for those of you too lazy to watch;
they talk about how in the early 90's if you weren't street/thug/calling women bytches, you weren't popping, you were old and corny (TIME STAMPED):
now...yall gonna disagree with muthafukkas that were right there in the middle of all the shyt?
na...they're exaggerating to make a point. Again, most HIpHop in theearly 90's wasn't gangsta rap. Kid N Play might have seem corny at that time because they were somewhat of a HipHop + dance, novelty act. They were seen as corny in the way many saw Hammer, Tone Loc and Vanilla Ice as corny.
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IllmaticDelta
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the fact is, most hiphop in 92/93 wasn't gangsta or conscious
I already stated most hiphop was party music when you tried to make it sound like most hiphop was conscious/political/afrocentric. This doesn't change the fact that the reversal in civil rights gains set the climate for hiphop
we aren't arguing that.....this is what you originally claimed
that's 100% false....
it started much earlier/before gangsta rapand that it would have long lasting damaging effects on our community. so to that you say she was wrong?
see above and basically everything she said about gangsta rap was said 20 years earlier about blaxploitation movies
her timing and where she wanted to place the blame was wrong
there were earlier and more bigger problems than gangsta rap
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the fact is, most hiphop in 92/93 wasn't gangsta or conscious
this doesn't negate my point, in fact it supports it. it can be argued this is what made "the chronic" stand out more
i'm in here posting videos of Kid n play. stop it.
there was a point where 5%'ers and conscious emcees ran hip hop you know this
but again, you're trying to steer the discussion in all directions AWAY from the core point: Delores Tucker was right about the direction in which hip hop was going and where it is NOW.
you'll literally talk about anything in order to NOT admit this point.
we aren't arguing that.....this is what you originally claimed
that's 100% false....
as i stated before, after the early 90's hip hop took a turn toward the gangster shyt.
after the Death Row era you had bone, master p, cash money, so forth and so forth...it all went downhill after the era in which we're discussing
by the late 90's hip hop was so different from the late 80's that it was like 2 different genre's...that's what I meant by the 90's. i'm wrong?
see above and basically everything she said about gangsta rap was said 20 years earlier about blaxploitation movies
her timing and where she wanted to place the blame was wrong
that's your opinion though. blaxploitation films didn't promote the destruction of the black community, in fact in a lot of those films drug dealers were the bad guys
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I said the same shyt yonks ago .... Pac wasn't any sort of leader not even close ....everyone has to accept Pac was in the last year of his life very conflicted and it was the most negative as far as his energy went ....altho musically it was his best ...just all that shyt he was doing off camra n out the booth was bullshyt ...n a lot of the industry wasn't feeling pacs energy .......
This is exactly why Pac wasn't a leader like so many claim .....nikka had enemies but instead of having nikkas ready to ride he wanted to be down with piru to where it started bluring the line between rap shyt vs real Compton street shyt .....I love Pacs music and the hardworker he was ...I'm just not a fan of how clever he was but how he dumbed himself down by constantly been in drama n foolish behaviour that some nikkas glorify as been a real nikka lol ..... nikka got lost at deathrow been around suge n then bloods ...
so the industry exec, kid n play, and kwame are all "exaggerating"...this is a field in which they paid their bills with for years, but YOU, random guy with an internet connection, know better than themStill no answers as to what Pac did other than talking
I still am laughing at how an idiot in here actually brought up the shooting the cops to defend someone thing again. Yes it showed he he had heart and defended shyt that was out of line
But again...for Black people what did he do in the Long Term
Come on stans
And shyt biggie was even worse but at least he didnt pretend to be some messiah while only being all talk and doing nothing
If Pac survived that shooting and was a cripple the responses in here would be different. people would talk about the gang war pac started in LA after he got shot and for years he would be referred to as a fake dude who talked the black panther talk and did nothing
Basicalky everything we saying in here now
I still am laughing at how an idiot in here actually brought up the shooting the cops to defend someone thing again. Yes it showed he he had heart and defended shyt that was out of line
But again...for Black people what did he do in the Long Term
Come on stans
And shyt biggie was even worse but at least he didnt pretend to be some messiah while only being all talk and doing nothing
If Pac survived that shooting and was a cripple the responses in here would be different. people would talk about the gang war pac started in LA after he got shot and for years he would be referred to as a fake dude who talked the black panther talk and did nothing
Basicalky everything we saying in here now
MooseMouthMthafuga
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People really believe Delores Tucker was trying to save the culture?
Y'all some gullible azz niccaz, man.
Hip hop didn't create the culture.
The harsh conditions/disadvantages placed on the people
by the dominant society did that
You have to dismiss the black experience in order to side with Delores Tucker or many of these other so called "social activist"/politicians
who hustle black pain to make a buck.
The hip hop mentality was somewhat born out of prolonged exposure to poverty
It's the "value system" of the rejected/despised.
Your environment defines your condition
your condition shapes your mentality
your mentality evolves to your actions.
Who and what placed us in that environment?
You can't come into the hood preaching the morals and values of the dominant society.
Unlike the dominant society where people measure themselves by stability/being the breadwinner etc..etc.
The people in those communities can't do that, so they don't want to hear any discussion about
the "moral standards" or "codes of conduct" of the dominant society when they don't have the necessary tools
to exercise those same abilities.Most of these rappers come from/represent environments that have been traumatized by poverty.
Where people have entered a phase of hopelessness.To the point where they start to convince themselves that very tools they need
to escape poverty are not important...
But it's a front....a coping mechanism.
Since there's no hope of ever "breaking out", the "hood" created it's own value system, with it's own "culture", and it's own standards
of what's valuable.And because it's a community of people who don't have resources, the "standards" are based on simple
shyt anybody can have....Things like "Swag"..."Game"...being a "tough guy".....having "courage".
Things that became key elements of hip hop.THEY'RE THE VICTIMS!!These are crabs in a bucket starting to cannibalize themselves.
Nobody wants to talk about who the fukk put the crabs in the bucket, tho!
So Delores Tucker is a phony to me.She dismissed and overlooked the root cause of the problem.Total dishonesty.For what?
The lady definitely had ulterior motives.The devil will come at you looking like anybody.Some of you niccaz fell for the okey doke.
"Don't blame me.I was given this world, I didn't make it!
"
If this comes off incoherent, forgive a nicca.I've been up 36 hrs no sleep.About to crash right now
Y'all some gullible azz niccaz, man.
Hip hop didn't create the culture.
The harsh conditions/disadvantages placed on the people
by the dominant society did that
You have to dismiss the black experience in order to side with Delores Tucker or many of these other so called "social activist"/politicians
who hustle black pain to make a buck.
The hip hop mentality was somewhat born out of prolonged exposure to poverty
It's the "value system" of the rejected/despised.
Your environment defines your condition
your condition shapes your mentality
your mentality evolves to your actions.
Who and what placed us in that environment?
You can't come into the hood preaching the morals and values of the dominant society.
Unlike the dominant society where people measure themselves by stability/being the breadwinner etc..etc.
The people in those communities can't do that, so they don't want to hear any discussion about
the "moral standards" or "codes of conduct" of the dominant society when they don't have the necessary tools
to exercise those same abilities.Most of these rappers come from/represent environments that have been traumatized by poverty.
Where people have entered a phase of hopelessness.To the point where they start to convince themselves that very tools they need
to escape poverty are not important...
But it's a front....a coping mechanism.
Since there's no hope of ever "breaking out", the "hood" created it's own value system, with it's own "culture", and it's own standards
of what's valuable.And because it's a community of people who don't have resources, the "standards" are based on simple
shyt anybody can have....Things like "Swag"..."Game"...being a "tough guy".....having "courage".
Things that became key elements of hip hop.THEY'RE THE VICTIMS!!These are crabs in a bucket starting to cannibalize themselves.
Nobody wants to talk about who the fukk put the crabs in the bucket, tho!
So Delores Tucker is a phony to me.She dismissed and overlooked the root cause of the problem.Total dishonesty.For what?
The lady definitely had ulterior motives.The devil will come at you looking like anybody.Some of you niccaz fell for the okey doke.
"Don't blame me.I was given this world, I didn't make it!
"If this comes off incoherent, forgive a nicca.I've been up 36 hrs no sleep.About to crash right now
