Looking back, it's fukked up how 2pac went at C. Delores Tucker

[smokeurobinson]

Yeah, a hit song about throwing a baby in the trash.



Funny shyt is I'd be willing to bet it charted higher than either of those singles from DC, but one nikka already was a star, the other became a star after Juice and after having a much less depressing single in "I get around" that got him a platinum album on his second try.

what happened to me keeping my word and not relying to you?



One thing u left out in your reach to prove some point that isnt there is you totally forgot about Ice Cube having a real big hit summer movie with a hit sndtrk before DC, yeah u left that out completly. I mean that movie did kinda push Cube out of NWAs shadow but If I let u tell it we were still thinking of NWA when DC droppped.

and you forgot about YoYos success in 1991....That was attributed to Cube moving on and doing his own thing building his own image. So you had YoYo and Bozy N The Hood, 1 album and EP that doesnt even mention NWA but according to you we were still thinking NWA by the time DC dropped.


No Vaseline wasnt even the selling point of DC is was the 'jew controversy'.

 

[hustlemania]

and 2Pacalypse had a hit song. This wasnt like 2017 where u just focused on first week sales....JD said it himself Kris Kross didnt do to well its first week but they worked the album and it eventually went double platinum. Pac had a hit song with Brendas Got a Baby....If anything thats the song that should have pushed the album.Thats the song that had everyone looking at Pac. The visual of shorty throwing her baby away was just as raw as Bushwick Bill punching the concrete. And Juice dropped a few months after 2Pacalypse and the hood was fukking with Juice. If anything we all knew who Pac was by winter early 92

that dude clearly dont even know what the hells he's talking about..

"Pac had no momentum.."

nah.. people just wasnt buying his album like that.. it is what it is.. these dudes wasnt around, and want to change the narrative.. "b.. b.. but.. he wasnt part of NWA.. plus.. nobody knew Pac like that back then.. "

acting like Pac was YZ or some sh!t..

not to mention.. if you were a hip-hop head.. you wasnt just brushing folks off like im seeing in this thread.. "oh.. his little bit of camera time in a movie.."

yea.. because alot of rappers werent in movies so much back then..

 

[JahFocus CS]

nah, fukk anybody demonizing our culture and the youth in the community

ol' petit bourgeois ass negroes

 

[hustlemania]

what happened to me keeping my word and not relying to you?



One thing u left out in your reach to prove some point that isnt there is you totally forgot about Ice Cube having a real big hit summer movie with a hit sndtrk before DC, yeah u left that out completly. I mean that movie did kinda push Cube out of NWAs shadow but If I let u tell it we were still thinking of NWA when DC droppped.

and you forgot about YoYos success in 1991....That was attributed to Cube moving on and doing his own thing building his own image. So you had YoYo and Bozy N The Hood, 1 album and EP that doesnt even mention NWA but according to you we were still thinking NWA by the time DC dropped.


No Vaseline wasnt even the selling point of DC is was the 'jew controversy'.

let @SunZoo tell it.. the sales of BNTH, were attributed to NWA.. and, majority people bought AMW, and KAW because of his affiliation to NWA..

but,nobody knew who Pac was because DU, or Same Song didnt give him much momentum the same calendar year his debut dropped..

 

[SunZoo]

of course the EP dropped before the movie.. look.. you must be slow, so im gonna explain this slowly..

the song, was out before the EP..
the video, dropped a bit before the EP hit stores.. i was around.. you werent.. i would know this..
the video..
had clips of the movie..
to promote the movie..
that they(DU, Pac, Dan Akroyd,etc) were ALL in..
that video..
was EVERYWHERE..
MTV(not just YO.!).. BET(not only Rap City).. The Box.. etc..

the fukkin video had Dre & Eazy in it, but you telling me people aint going to remember Pac from it..

i just showed you the dude had a full-blown press conference in NYC for police brutality, but you still gonna sit here and claim no one knew who he was/didnt have momentum..

you can keep changing your original post, all day.. fact of the matter is- you dead ass wrong, and dont know what youre talking about.. people knew who Pac was before 2Pacalypse.. it just wasnt received like that.. you just trying to rewrite history so it makes sense to YOU.. when in reality- there were people with LESS momentum, still going gold back then.. had nothing to do with them being part of NWA, or anything.. you just wasnt there..

- Ice Cube wouldn't have gone platinum with DC if it had been his debut, but he was already famous
- Nobody at the movie theaters for Nothin But Trouble was like "Hey, that's 2pac!" He was NOT that famous on the strength of a verse or a press conference, not famous enough to be going platinum as a new artist.
- Therefore, comparing the sales of 2pacalypse and DC is asinine.

I don't give a fukk where you were, ain't a titangraph you can type to refute that.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

nah, fukk anybody demonizing our culture and the youth in the community

ol' petit bourgeois ass negroes

other than the people actually making the music getting rich, how did that era of hip hop benefit our community some 20+ years later?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

so you're pretending there wasn't a collective rise in consciousness among black folks in the late 80's?


and that it wasn't a direct result of the crack epidemic of the early 80's? (AFTER the era you're speaking on)

black consciousness was always there and is still here. While you did have a more trendy take on it at that time, the majority of hiphop was not on that vibe or gangsta for that matter. Most HipHop was party music and nothing more in that era.

the blaxploitation era was right smack in the middle of the black power movement - again, collective consciousness among African Americans

while true this is the era of some of the beginnings of the reversal of those gains from the Civil Rights and which lead right into HipHop being born

this new BLM/Social Media activist movement going on now is the closest thing we've had since the late 80's <<<i'll reserve critique of this "movement" for another post.

being "woke" is trendy right now

 

[Blackout]

They both came at each other wrong.

Both should of sat down and talked it out instead of the pettyness

 

[hustlemania]

you mean in the streets? of course.

but even freeway ricky ross said that what he was doing was looked at as wrong by a good chunk of the community

he also said he wasn't openly bragging like that - again, his words not mine.

plus there was still that "House Party/Cosby Show" section of black america that just wasn't into all that street shyt.

i think you may have fashion, mixed into everything heavily.. alot of folks rocked their little leather African medallions, HBCU tees & sweats.. hit up house parties on the regular..

but, shyt was still crazy out.. im sure anyone who was around would let you know- the 80s was a crazy ass decade..

early 90s, alot more conscious hip-hop was dropping.. i will give you that..

 

[Booker T Garvey]

black consciousness was always there and is still here. While you did have a more trendy take on it at that time, the majority of hiphop was not on that vibe or gangsta for that matter. Most HipHop was party music and nothing more in that era.

while true this is the era of some of the beginnings of the reversal of those gains from the Civil Rights and which lead right into HipHop being born

while true, around 92-93 is when "gangsta" rap started to become the ONLY rap though

Delores tucker and calvin butts didn't have a problem with KRS1 or Public Enemy, hell really not even NWA because there was that balance there

i think you may have fashion, mixed into everything heavily.. alot of folks rocked their little leather African medallions, HBCU tees & sweats.. hit up house parties on the regular..

but, shyt was still crazy out.. im sure anyone who was around would let you know- the 80s was a crazy ass decade..

early 90s, alot more conscious hip-hop was dropping.. i will give you that..

PE first dropped in 1988 though, you also had the native tongues collective too

my point is that the street/thug/gangster shyt wasn't just the most dominant force in our culture at that time

delores tucker, calvin butts, and dionne warwick predicted that it WOULD BE and they were right.

this is the only point I'm making.

 

[SunZoo]

what happened to me keeping my word and not relying to you?

Yeah, what happened...seems like you just went back on your word. Sounds like a personal problem.

All you're saying is that that Ice Cube was way more famous than 2pac in 1991.

I mean yeah...no shyt, that's what I've been trying to tell you since you said this stupid shyt:

If he had the socialist rhetoric with the juice to actually get the youth on his side in 1992.

Then why did his 1st album flop like Money B said?

If what u said was true his album would have went platinum like Ice Cube did with Death Certificate.

What I said was true...and you bring up Pac not being able to sell records like Ice Cube as if it demarcates everything I pointed up as 'conspiracy theory'. Like I said, stupid.

You finished or you done?

 

[hustlemania]

while true, around 92-93 is when "gangsta" rap started to become the ONLY rap though

Delores tucker and calvin butts didn't have a problem with KRS1 or Public Enemy, hell really not even NWA because there was that balance there



PE first dropped in 1988 though, you also had the native tongues collective too

my point is that the street/thug/gangster shyt wasn't just the most dominant force in our culture at that time

delores tucker, calvin butts, and dionne warwick predicted that it WOULD BE and they were right.

this is the only point I'm making.

she(Tucker) really dove in head-first, after the kid shot the cop.. and, said he was listening to Pac.. that when it became "her platform"..

wasnt even really hers.. but, she became the face of it at the very least..

 

[spliz]

other than the people actually making the music getting rich, how did that era of hip hop benefit our community some 20+ years later?

Umm. It gave muthafukkas out there who was actually DOING the crimes yet another outlet to make money and express themselves. There's always ignorant ones who still indulge in bullshyt but hip hop def provided something for the youth and the hood. U nikkas hate hip hop so much yet be all up on a hip hop site and all up in the threads. But get it straight. I would rather a nikka talk about doing some shyt. Than going out and doing it everyday to survive cause he broke.

 

[smokeurobinson]

What I said was true...and Pac not being able to sell records like Ice Cube as if it demarcates everything I pointed up as 'conspiracy theory'. It was stupid.

You finished or you done?

You hypocrite......First u said Pac was on the governments radar and had the socialist rhetoric with the juice to actually get the youth on his side with motivation to have a nikka bucking at cops after listening to the song Soulja Story from 2pacalypse while contradicting yourself and doing a complete 180 in your arguments with @hustlemania saying Pac wasnt known like that by 2pacalypse and thats why it flopped.




You cant make this stuff up.

 

[hustlemania]

You hypocrite......First u said Pac was on the governments radar and had the socialist rhetoric with the juice to actually get the youth on his side with motivation to have a nikka bucking at cops after listening to the song Soulja Story from 2pacalypse while contradicting yourself and doing a complete 180 in your arguments with @hustlemania saying Pac wasnt known like that by 2pacalypse and thats why it flopped.




You cant make this stuff up.

he was writing all them big-ass paragraphs.. thinking he was kicking some knowledge..

and, got reduced to a few bars..