Look at this dork Kenny Omega whining about Styles-Cena

[prophecypro]

Obtuse? You're telling me that NJPW is a legit alternative to WWE for top wrestlers, but then naming off dumb ass examples of guys who worked one or two matches in Japan after they left.

Angle? He went to TNA a month after WWE, he didn't work a match in Japan until 3 years later, and only then it was a few matches, not full-time.

Hogan? Worked a couple matches, before signing full-time with WCW.

AJ? WTF are you mentioning him? He went from TNA to Japan, then Japan to WWE. Which is my whole fukkin point... WWE is the big leagues and it's where guys in Japan wanna go. 3 top guys left NJPW for WWE last year. No top guy has ever left WWE to go work exclusively in Japan.

Again, @ NJPW being a "first choice" -- for WHO? You can keep saying that shyt all you want, but until someone actually does it, it's nothing more than a myth in your head. What wrestler who has ever been on top in WWE is choosing to be in NJPW instead? Omega will obviously be in WWE soon enough if you heard his interview with Meltz, so even he realizes it.

Angle was in Japan for 2 years splitting time between there and TNA and won belts there

Hogan was there built a star name there before AWA and WWF and always went back there for that reason. AJ became a star there and the only reason he went to WWE because he had to try it.

And from the Bucks to Ibushi and Okada they chose New Japan as their first choice. You can spare me the "WWE didnt want them narrative" because they did and they turned them down and they been petty about it

What I'm trying understand from you is you know guys go there first rather then US indies or crawl to WWE and have WWE come to them and we know people go to New Japan from WWE like Cody Rhodes and the other guys I named like Brock and Hogan, Cause you act like everyone wants to go to WWE and nowhere else like they aren't guys who were raised or in the business to see an alternative.

When you consider New Japan has the decent money, large crowds and sponsorship opportunties and now has TV in the US (AXS) and globally (Fight Network broadcasts New Japan in Canada, Europe and the Middle East) that's a solid number 2 and not some Dave Meltzer indie jerkfest

Now what Kenny is trying to do is stay and build up New Japan in the US so it becomes a bigger alternative than what it is now. Its fine if he goes to WWE in a year but right now he's building the company and they've shown they can survive and stay big even after their stars leave

Its become more and more the alternative and the first choice for guys.

 

[prophecypro]

No, he didn't leave WWE for NJPW, he left WWE to work a high school gyms with fat fukks like CHris Hero to live out his smark childhood dreams and try to pay tribute to his dad.

If NJPW was such a great alternative like @prophecypro is saying, Cody would have left and signed a full-time Japan deal instead of fukking around with the Global Force world title and trash like that.

Cody's objective was to work and try every fed and be an actual independent contractor. New Japan gives people that freedom

You're basically arguing "Yeah well I dont see anyone having a slave deal in Japan like WWE so they obviously not popping"

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Angle was in Japan for 2 years splitting time between there and TNA and won belts there

Hogan was there built a star name there before AWA and WWF and always went back there for that reason. AJ became a star there and the only reason he went to WWE because he had to try it.

And from the Bucks to Ibushi and Okada they chose New Japan as their first choice. You can spare me the "WWE didnt want them narrative" because they did and they turned them down and they been petty about it

What I'm trying understand from you is you know guys go there first rather then US indies or crawl to WWE and have WWE come to them and we know people go to New Japan from WWE like Cody Rhodes and the other guys I named like Brock and Hogan, Cause you act like everyone wants to go to WWE and nowhere else like they aren't guys who were raised or in the business to see an alternative.

When you consider New Japan has the decent money, large crowds and sponsorship opportunties and now has TV in the US (AXS) and globally (Fight Network broadcasts New Japan in Canada, Europe and the Middle East) that's a solid number 2 and not some Dave Meltzer indie jerkfest

Now what Kenny is trying to do is stay and build up New Japan in the US so it becomes a bigger alternative than what it is now. Its fine if he goes to WWE in a year but right now he's building the company and they've shown they can survive and stay big even after their stars leave

Its become more and more the alternative and the first choice for guys.

Bro you gotta mentioning Brock, Hogan, Angle, etc. None of them left WWE for Japan, so I honest to god don't know why do you keep bringing them up. It honestly makes you seem slow that you keep trying to apply that to this scenario, as if that is somehow equivalent to AJ/Bullet Club leaving NJPW for WWE.


WWE has never offered the Young Bucks a deal.. they said so on Sam Roberts podcast


So , again, you keep saying its a first choice. FOR WHO? NOBODY has chosen to leave WWE for Japan. NJPW is nothing more than a nice supplement along with other places you can work like Cody is doing (ROH, indies, etc.) but it's a full-time alternative to anyone.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Cody's objective was to work and try every fed and be an actual independent contractor. New Japan gives people that freedom

You're basically arguing "Yeah well I dont see anyone having a slave deal in Japan like WWE so they obviously not popping"

Right, basically what I said in the post above this, NJPW is a nice supplement to other places (ROH, Mexico, indies, etc.) but in and of itself it is not a real alternative. That's why it's minor league just like those places are. If NJPW itself was enough to sustain someone on the level of what they could get in WWE, these guys wouldn't be working all these other shows, they'd be Japan exclusive.

 

[prophecypro]

Bro you gotta mentioning Brock, Hogan, Angle, etc. None of them left WWE for Japan, so I honest to god don't know why do you keep bringing them up. It honestly makes you seem slow that you keep trying to apply that to this scenario, as if that is somehow equivalent to AJ/Bullet Club leaving NJPW for WWE.


WWE has never offered the Young Bucks a deal.. they said so on Sam Roberts podcast


So , again, you keep saying its a first choice. FOR WHO? NOBODY has chosen to leave WWE for Japan. NJPW is nothing more than a nice supplement along with other places you can work like Cody is doing (ROH, indies, etc.) but it's a full-time alternative to anyone.

They may have left WWE to leave WWE period but they found Japan pretty quick and helped to pave it as an alternative for a career
And we know the Bucks were contacted but they kept on spurning them which is why they can troll and say "Well we were never offered a deal" because they rejected them at the first point of contact (Which is why they had WWE throwing subs at them like when Mark Henry did a couple of years back)

Something you havent considered about your original point

You keep saying no one else major has gone from WWE to New Japan. The problem is no one else from WWE is major in recent years Gedo aint out here trying to sign Jinder Mahal is he?

But we do know in the last couple of years with the US TV deal and the growth of Japanese wrestling, more guys are going to Japan first before WWE and Im fairy sure if there was anyone good enough who really believed in themselves they would which is why Morrison and Galloway had a crack and improved, Davey Boy Jr totally reinvented himself and improved in Japan and all 3 have contracts to go back there as well.

Now we see Omega sticking around to build its presence in the US and I think its safe to say its not just a "Supplment league"

And naturally in response to that WWE is eating up smaller indies who had deals with New Japan to prevent that.

 

[prophecypro]

Right, basically what I said in the post above this, NJPW is a nice supplement to other places (ROH, Mexico, indies, etc.) but in and of itself it is not a real alternative. That's why it's minor league just like those places are. If NJPW itself was enough to sustain someone on the level of what they could get in WWE, these guys wouldn't be working all these other shows, they'd be Japan exclusive.

Other way around.

No one's going "Damn if I can just get to the Tokyo Dome, I can make it to this bingo hall in Camden some day"

You can't call it a minor league when its the only non WWE company doing dome shows and churns out the revenue it does in tv, tickets and merch. It maybe a distant number 2 but its no minor league.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

there's a lot more money-making opportunity aside from that in WWE than NJPW such as WM payout, live events, PPV, merch.

That has all changed since the inception of the network. Punk said clearly that WWE had not told talent how it was going to work or if they would receive money like that

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

Cody's objective was to work and try every fed and be an actual independent contractor. New Japan gives people that freedom

You're basically arguing "Yeah well I dont see anyone having a slave deal in Japan like WWE so they obviously not popping"

Exactly. Cody left WWE and made a list of who he wanted to wrestle. He didnt want to be under contract so he isnt. Point is he left WWE on his own to go literally EVERYWHERE else but now dudes want to move the goal posts

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Hes not even Roger Ebert. Dave is not a great reviewer, his strong points are biographies and reporting.

And your strongpoint is sucking off the kliq, so take your own advice and stick with what you know.

 

[Silkk]

Aw damn that sucks

Was looking forward to him being in the E and seeing what all the hype was about

Why not just watch NJPW then

No, he didn't leave WWE for NJPW, he left WWE to work a high school gyms with fat fukks like CHris Hero to live out his smark childhood dreams and try to pay tribute to his dad.

If NJPW was such a great alternative like @prophecypro is saying, Cody would have left and signed a full-time Japan deal instead of fukking around with the Global Force world title and trash like that.

He's doing both

 

[Breh Obama]

Kenny Omega looks like a stereotypical hero from a bad generic 80s action movie

 

[The Girl From Innsmouth]

Kenny Omega looks like a stereotypical hero from a bad generic 80s action movie

That's intentional.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Other way around.

No one's going "Damn if I can just get to the Tokyo Dome, I can make it to this bingo hall in Camden some day"

You can't call it a minor league when its the only non WWE company doing dome shows and churns out the revenue it does in tv, tickets and merch. It maybe a distant number 2 but its no minor league.

Euro league pro basketball players play in front of big sold out arenas too, it's still minor league compared to the NBA. Lebron would never leave the NBA to play in Italy, but the top European players are for sure tryin to get to the NBA.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

That has all changed since the inception of the network. Punk said clearly that WWE had not told talent how it was going to work or if they would receive money like that

That was like three yrs ago bro, I'm pretty sure they've figured it out by now as evidence by all the big Indy/Japan stars trying to get to WWE

 

[R=G]

Bro you gotta mentioning Brock, Hogan, Angle, etc. None of them left WWE for Japan, so I honest to god don't know why do you keep bringing them up. It honestly makes you seem slow that you keep trying to apply that to this scenario, as if that is somehow equivalent to AJ/Bullet Club leaving NJPW for WWE.


WWE has never offered the Young Bucks a deal.. they said so on Sam Roberts podcast


So , again, you keep saying its a first choice. FOR WHO? NOBODY has chosen to leave WWE for Japan. NJPW is nothing more than a nice supplement along with other places you can work like Cody is doing (ROH, indies, etc.) but it's a full-time alternative to anyone.

Lol@The first paragraph

so I honest to god don't know why do you keep bringing them up.