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[IIVI]

Arizona trading out for a second straight year would be all time dumb. They have to take MHJ.

They missed out on Will Anderson who went on to win DROY. Yeah, they needed O-line help but that's a situation where you take the best player available and address O-line later.

Yeah, I really don't think it's an option. They are the one team in the top 5 outside of Chicago who I can see won't trade down.

The whole year it's been Caleb or MHJ. When Kyler came back and performed well, the obvious answer is MHJ.

They have 11 picks already in a stacked draft, including:
x2 first rounders
x1 2nd rounder
x3 3rd rounders

That's twice as many picks as other teams through the first 3 rounds. They're in 100% position to go BPA and build through the rest of the draft. I can see maybe them trading down with Minnesota for #11 and #23 if MHJ is gone and that's it.

Stacking picks for a weaker draft next year with MHJ right there makes no sense. You don't want to keep trading down, time to cash out here. However, for both the Cards and Chargers if MHJ is gone, it'll get interesting and you might see a trade down (what I'm hoping for the Chargers anyways).

 

[Trust Me]

Digging so much into offensive line this draft, it's hilarious knowing learning Justin Herbert and Penei Sewell were on the same team for two years back in Oregon. Penei only allowed a single sack those two years.

That coach really couldn't do anything with those two on the same team.

That said, the worst pick for the Chargers at #5 are Joe Alt or Bowers straight up with no trade down.

I think you're underestimating Alt. Dude is gonna be a generational tackle. fukk Notre Dame.. but yea.. he's the real deal. And while I dont see Harbaugh going in that direction.. I can see him drafting Alt ahead of a receiver.

I still think he trades out, if Arizona doesn't.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Digging so much into offensive line this draft, it's hilarious knowing learning Justin Herbert and Penei Sewell were on the same team for two years back in Oregon. Penei only allowed a single sack those two years.

That coach really couldn't do anything with those two on the same team.

That said, the worst pick for the Chargers at #5 are Joe Alt or Bowers straight up with no trade down.

Why are you down on Alt

 

[Bigblackted4]

Yeah, I really don't think it's an option. They are the one team in the top 5 outside of Chicago who I can see won't trade down.

The whole year it's been Caleb or MHJ. When Kyler came back and performed well, the obvious answer is MHJ.

They have 11 picks already in a stacked draft, including:
x2 first rounders
x1 2nd rounder
x3 3rd rounders

That's twice as many picks as other teams through the first 3 rounds. They're in 100% position to go BPA and build through the rest of the draft. I can see maybe them trading down with Minnesota for #11 and #23 if MHJ is gone and that's it.

Stacking picks for a weaker draft next year with MHJ right there makes no sense. You don't want to keep trading down, time to cash out here. However, for both the Cards and Chargers if MHJ is gone, it'll get interesting and you might see a trade down (what I'm hoping for the Chargers anyways).

You get another first and third and you can probably make the Offs, cardinals hand holes at most positions they need a taken overload

 

[Killah Ray]

Dumb ass Panthers fans are now shytting on us taking Legette....kid is a long time fan and wants to stay close to home....(I have family that's really close with him)...

shyt unless someone like Jackson Powers falls out the first I think we should double dip at WR at 33 and 39....

 

[malbaker86]

 

[IIVI]

Why are you down on Alt

I'm down on Alt for the Chargers, but not down on Joe Alt as a LT. We have an LT already and one of the league's best in Rashawn Slater so we're basically going to draft an LT to move them to RT.

That's just too high of a pick for a RT and you can hopefully get a great one at 10-15 in Troy Fautanu who can additionally play 5 positions on the line. 5 positions means 5 chances to make a starter spot and even more chances if you consider backup and depth along the line. So in a trade down not only can we get that player, but more picks. That combined value and the fact I have Fautanu ranked really high as an LT or RT means I love that pick overall more than going all-in on Joe Alt at #5 straight up. Same goes for Taliese Fuaga and what Detroit could've done with Sewell: if they work on tackle terrific, however they have 3 other spots on the OL they'd be elite at as well.

If Joe Alt busts at tackle, that's it and you've wasted a top 5 pick who only has 2 chances to work as an OL in exchange for all the other all-world talent you can miss out on. A 6'9 OG is just too tall, not only because the inner DL are much stronger and lower, but also because you'll basically be taller than the QB and obscure their vision. The last point I think is overrated for shorter QB's because they know how to deal with a tall offensive line, but I think for someone like Herbert, having linemen be that much taller at the center of the OL is something that may throw him off.

Make no mistake, I like Joe Alt as a tackle prospect. However, I don't think it's the best choice for the Chargers and that's why I don't want him at #5 as he's not going to play LT and there are a lot of other players who'd be able to contribute at RT the same way and provide more value.

 

[IIVI]

I think you're underestimating Alt. Dude is gonna be a generational tackle. fukk Notre Dame.. but yea.. he's the real deal. And while I dont see Harbaugh going in that direction.. I can see him drafting Alt ahead of a receiver.

I still think he trades out, if Arizona doesn't.

See previous post right before this one.

 

[Trust Me]

I'm down on Alt for the Chargers, but not down on Joe Alt as a LT. We have an LT already and one of the league's best in Rashawn Slater so we're basically going to draft an LT to move them to RT.

That's just too high of a pick for a RT and you can hopefully get a great one at 10-15 in Troy Fautanu who can additionally play 5 positions on the line. 5 positions means 5 chances to make a starter spot and even more chances if you consider backup and depth along the line. So in a trade down not only can we get that player, but more picks. That combined value and the fact I have Fautanu ranked really high as an LT or RT means I love that pick overall more than going all-in on Joe Alt at #5 straight up. Same goes for Taliese Fuaga and what Detroit could've done with Sewell: if they work on tackle terrific, however they have 3 other spots on the OL they'd be elite at as well.

If Joe Alt busts at tackle, that's it and you've wasted a top 5 pick who only has 2 chances to work as an OL in exchange for all the other all-world talent you can miss out on. A 6'9 OG is just too tall, not only because the inner DL are much stronger and lower, but also because you'll basically be taller than the QB and obscure their vision. The last point I think is overrated for shorter QB's because they know how to deal with a tall offensive line, but I think for someone like Herbert, having linemen be that much taller at the center of the OL is something that may throw him off.

Make no mistake, I like Joe Alt as a tackle prospect. However, I don't think it's the best choice for the Chargers and that's why I don't want him at #5 as he's not going to play LT and there are a lot of other players who'd be able to contribute at RT the same way and provide more value.

I get it. I thought Slater played on the right side.

 

[Supa]

That’s why they will trade to 6 or 9 and take Best Receiver and Best Lineman available

The best WR available is MHJ and will likely be there at #4. Why are you passing on him to take the 2nd or 3rd WR? It makes no sense.

They got burned doing that last draft. Repeating the same mistake is idiocy.

Yeah, I really don't think it's an option. They are the one team in the top 5 outside of Chicago who I can see won't trade down.

The whole year it's been Caleb or MHJ. When Kyler came back and performed well, the obvious answer is MHJ.

They have 11 picks already in a stacked draft, including:
x2 first rounders
x1 2nd rounder
x3 3rd rounders

That's twice as many picks as other teams through the first 3 rounds. They're in 100% position to go BPA and build through the rest of the draft. I can see maybe them trading down with Minnesota for #11 and #23 if MHJ is gone and that's it.

Stacking picks for a weaker draft next year with MHJ right there makes no sense. You don't want to keep trading down, time to cash out here. However, for both the Cards and Chargers if MHJ is gone, it'll get interesting and you might see a trade down (what I'm hoping for the Chargers anyways).

No trade down unless NE takes MHJ.

If anything they could package a few picks and get back into the first. I'd rather go the KC route and maximize the potential of landing good players. If you can get 7 starters out of those 11 picks you can turn the team around in a hurry.

You get another first and third and you can probably make the Offs, cardinals hand holes at most positions they need a taken overload

They have a boatload of picks already. What are you gaining by adding more?

At some point you can't pass on blue chip talent. The lineman they drafted instead of Will Anderson had an up and down year. Houston got a star.

You might get a good WR later but you know MHJ is as close to a lock as you can get. They NEED a WR so take the best one in the draft.

You fill out the roster with all those other picks.

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

 

[Bigblackted4]

The best WR available is MHJ and will likely be there at #4. Why are you passing on him to take the 2nd or 3rd WR? It makes no sense.

They got burned doing that last draft. Repeating the same mistake is idiocy.



No trade down unless NE takes MHJ.

If anything they could package a few picks and get back into the first. I'd rather go the KC route and maximize the potential of landing good players. If you can get 7 starters out of those 11 picks you can turn the team around in a hurry.



They have a boatload of picks already. What are you gaining by adding more?

At some point you can't pass on blue chip talent. The lineman they drafted instead of Will Anderson had an up and down year. Houston got a star.

You might get a good WR later but you know MHJ is as close to a lock as you can get. They NEED a WR so take the best one in the draft.

You fill out the roster with all those other picks.

I think enough people Like Nabers which is why I think they’ll be moving to 6

 

[Supa]

What's the deal with AD Mitchell? Hearing his stock is tanking due to character issues.

Weird that I didn't hear any mention of that until now.

 

[Piff Perkins]

What's the deal with AD Mitchell? Hearing his stock is tanking due to character issues.

Weird that I didn't hear any mention of that until now.

The rumor that is swirling is that he has diabetes and doesn't consistently take his medication. He gets unruly and agitated due to that, and it results in behavior his Texas coaches (allegedly) bytched about to NFL scouts. And earlier today I saw someone saying he might fall out the first round now.

Wild how this is one of the only areas of like where people got zero protection from HIPPA and your medical history can be passed around and casually leaked without anyone getting in trouble.

 

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