Live-action Cowboy Bebop series picked up by Netflix - 10 episode order

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If you dont have any deep emotional attachment to the anime you can definitely enjoy this joint

I think that's it exactly. I'm reading through the thread trying to figure out why everyone HATED Vicious.
Now I realize why: Even though I've seen the original version (once), I don't even REMEMBER that version of Vicious so I don't have any pre-conceptions of the character to disappoint :yeshrug:.
Without anything *better* to compare him to, he's a pretty good villain as far as these type of shows are concerned, and I really liked his flashback scenes.
 

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I’m on ep 8 rn and from someone that had cowboy bebop in there top 10 for years I must say this shyt is flames. Love that it’s more so a bebop vibe than a shot for shot kind of thing. U see that they actually wanted to give the fans the feeling of bebop but have it be fresh as well. I give kudos to them for that. They had me hooked after the first ep. Been binging all day. I hope they decide to give it another season cuz I love the trio just as much as their anime forms. Especially mustafa as jet black. That was some perfect casting. Idk how they gonna add Ed cuz she/he is suuuuper anime. Should be interesting.
 

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Just finished it.


The Good

Mustafa as Jet Black was absolute PERFECTION. Dude even sounded so much like the Anime voice actor I could close my eyes and think I was rewatching the damn Anime. He killed the mannerisms of Jet too.


John Cho did a good job of making his interpretation of Spike his OWN. He didn’t try to copy the effortless cool of the anime spike but he did bring his own swagger and confidence to the role.

The cinematography was dope. They did a good job bringing the world of Cowboy Bebop to life.



The soundtrack was AMAZING. Yoko Kanno can do NO wrong.


The Bad


The writers and directors didn’t get the “tone” of the anime right. They leaned wayyyyyy too heavy into the comedic aspects of the anime so that when you get to the last two episodes where the dramatic elements are really supposed to kick in they oftentimes felt flat and unconvincing. I mean its almost EMBARRASSING how they dropped the ball on the tonal shifts that the anime excelled at.


Trying to give Julia and Vicious meatier backstories…I get it. I really do. But the execution was mostly terrible. The actor who played Vicious was trying his HARDEST to give Vicious some layers and I give him credit for it but the writing let him down. The character was fukking awful except for episode 9 when they went into the backstory of Spike and Vicious and Julia. He came alive then but by that point it was too late.

Julia didn’t fair much better. There was literally NOTHING about her that I believed would make Vicious fall desperately in love with her or Spike obsess over her. There was no mystique. No cunning. No femme fatale seduction. No real intelligence or strength of character. She was just some bimbo singer who could (barely) carry a tune. The actress was miscast and the writing and the direction they took Julia was unbelievable, cliche, and unexciting. They would have done better of sticking to the anime and having her on the run and then give her a stand alone episode showing her adventures on the lam for three years.


They did the same thing to Faye. Reduced her to bad comic relief and a forced sex scene that felt very much “thrown in there” for the hell of it. I agree with the showrunner’s decision to tone down the character’s skimpy clothing, but they didn’t have to COMPLETELY strip the character of her sex APPEAL because thats part of what made her dangerous. I got tired of her after the millionth time she called Spike or Jet a “dikkwad”. She was another character who had absolutely NO LAYERS whatsoever.


Ed- What the fukk was that?!?!!?! Her minute of screen time just screamed “Cheap Cosplay”. It was bad bad BAD. Everything ABOUT it was bad. Truly terrible scene to end on and an AWFUL introduction to the character.


Overall I feel all the characters suffered from bad writing and the decision of the showrunners to lean too heavily into the comedic aspects of the series. There was no levity, no moments of reflection, no real lessons learned. These are things the anime excelled at. It gave the characters depth BEYOND their snarky personalities and cool demeanors. These renditions of the characters, besides Mustafa’s Jet, lack any depth. They are not fully realized people. I didn’t believe Spike when he’s looking at Julia for the first time in THREE YEARS and says “I thought about you every day”. I didn’t believe Faye when she says finding out about her past means everything to her. I didn’t believe Vicious when he screams at Spike “YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE MY BROTHER!”.


I only believed that Jet truly loved his daughter (and they even fukked that up in the end) and that Spike, Jet, and Faye had indeed created a sort of “family” by episode 8. The chemistry between the trio was there. It just wasn’t mined properly.


All in all it was a mildly entertaining distraction completely devoid of the heart of what made the anime so compelling and special. Cho, Mustafa, Pineda, and Hassell all gave their very best efforts but the writing team let them down HORRIBLY. The female characters plus Vicious get it the worse because in trying to update their characterizations, they completely stripped away what made them compelling in the first place. Faye Valentine doesn’t NEED sexy clothing to be interesting. But she needs something other than unfunny jokes and punchlines. Julia doesn’t NEED to be the little more than a prize for two men to fight over, but she also could still carry an aura of mystery and danger to her that suggests there’s something more to her than just “the bad guy’s girl”.



I’m going to give this first season a generous 6/10 because of the music, cinematography, fight scenes, and Mustafa’s masterful performance as Jet. They need to replace the writers if they are going to do season 2 and recast Julia and the godawful whoever the fukk that was playing Ed.

I agree with mostly everything said. Especially the part about Jet! Fcuking perfect! I was so shocked that he pulled this off effortlessly. I also I didn’t have any problems with the portrayals of Spike and Faye. In actuality, the actors did a really good job, it’s just that the changes to the story threw me for a massive loop. Still, I can’t lie, I’m definitely intrigued on where they go from here :wow:


Side Note: Yoko Kano is my goddess :banderas: I always love it when her and the Seatbelts work together. It’s just simply magical.
 

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I can definitely understand everyone’s complaints about this show. My biggest thing for me is that I didn’t want this show to be a carbon copy of the anime. I wanted the live action to stand on its own two feet while maintaining the essence of Bebop. I felt that they accomplished this part.
 
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The main crux is that anime purists were never going to like this show or any live action rendition of their favorite animes

People should check this out with an open mind...the same way they do when they take their first dips into anime or comics or anything really

Cause again.....pretending that Bebop was this flawless story is some serious fanboyism
 

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And also about ED….that is a hard character to bring to life. She’s a very unique and peculiar character so I don’t want to be too harsh on the actor portraying her.
when she popped up at the end i was like :huhldup: but its just something u gotta deal with if u want it to be accurate to the character. She's the definition of an anime character.
 

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when she popped up at the end i was like :huhldup: but its just something u gotta deal with if u want it to be accurate to the character. She's the definition of an anime character.

I might be in the minority here but the timing of her popping up out of nowhere is very ED like lol. Also, after the heavy moments that were in the final two episodes, she came at the right time to lighten the mood so to speak. ED is such a random character so it didn’t surprise me too much although I can understand other people’s complaints about it.
 

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The main crux is that anime purists were never going to like this show or any live action rendition of their favorite animes

People should check this out with an open mind...the same way they do when they take their first dips into anime or comics or anything really

Cause again.....pretending that Bebop was this flawless story is some serious fanboyism

What makes the Bebop anime a classic is that it’s “perfectly imperfect.” The uniqueness of the characters, destinations, storyline and music all managed to mold into one beautiful yet messy display of art. That is why it’s so easy to watch.

I have a feeling that season 2 will be a lot better although I personally enjoyed season 1.
 

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The main crux is that anime purists were never going to like this show or any live action rendition of their favorite animes

I won't lie. That's how I'm feeling. :ld:

John Cho's martial arts is worse than Iron Fist. And that's saying a lot. :huhldup:

If I never watched the anime, I'd probably enjoy it more.


Rurouni Kenshin live-action is fire though. OG Mortal Kombat is a classic too.
 
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