Let's talk about Dean Ambrose for a second...

[23Barrettcity]

I believe he still has potential and it's only a matter of time until he really hits his stride

Spoiler

hopefully

Ambrose is over and sells merch and got those pops for fake winning the title . He can improve a lot sure but like I been saying he has found a way to make himself Connect by seemingly just being himself turned up. I think give him the IC title and its elevated just because of how he carries himself ( and he's the one who started the idea of restoring the old glory to the titles back )

 

[Champagne Kudo]

Honestly I just think he's not used to being a Baby face and using a Baby face moveset. And for whatever reason he's not a technical wrestler anymore and it really bugs me because on the indies and in FCW his was super technical. When he was Max on the indies he was a heel a good 90 something percent of the time. I also think when he's just doing random shyt and not really getting anything from creative he doesn't put much effort in. But every time they give him a little push he goes full gear and puts in serious work.

But he definitely needs that heel turn. Post Shield or FCW I think he was at his best as a baby face right after the shield broke. Pretty much that whole summer up until his feud with Bray started. Look back on those promos, whether it was Raw or SD he was putting in work and dropping good to great promos but for whatever reason once that Bray feud started they made his character goofy as hell. Thank God that since he's started feuding with Roman they made him much less of a goofy character.

Just wait until that heel turn though

 

[Champagne Kudo]

And Rollins didn't carry him to shyt lmfao. They've always had great chemistry going back to their FCW days.

 

[Champagne Kudo]

It's not hard to understand at all...it was really obvious heading into the Rumble. When it seemed like the company was getting behind Roman as the chosen next guy, the fans starting going buck wild for Ambrose as the alternative and he has his little ways that no one else is doing....the walk, the never quit attitude that fits his crazy energy, and him saying outlandish shyt. There's niche fanbase for that kind of thing. But there was a limit...when he called Bryan a "turd"..the fans died on him immediately And chanted "NO! NO! NO!" but they edited that part out.

Since all that he's gotten more over too. Push a little bit more and I think the crowd could like him just as much if not more than Bryan

 

[Heelish]

I think the crowd could like him just as much if not more than Bryan

He won't reach DB levels but he's over for some reason.

 

[Champagne Kudo]

He won't reach DB levels but he's over for some reason.

Why can't he reach D Bry levels?

Give him a few years

 

[R=G]

Since all that he's gotten more over too. Push a little bit more and I think the crowd could like him just as much if not more than Bryan

Nah...he's had ALOT of time and it seems Cesaro can get the crowd more into his matches than Ambrose even though Ambrose comes out to big pops at times. The Ambrose/Seth Ladder match was a highlight for Ambrose and how over he was. The Rumble was proof that the crowd was into him big time too even though he got booed to a degree when he kept helping Roman. Roman got ULTRA booed at the Rumble when he did that little rest in the corner thing and him and Ambrose teamed up to it being set up for him looking better with explosive clothelines as if he was the Steve Austin of the situation...lol. I watched the key parts of Rumble 2015 again yesterday..the heat for Roman was through the fukking roof. The SUPPORT for Bryan when he got eliminated was insane. They kept chanting that man's name over and over again..they heeled on everyone. Ziggler and Ambrose were who they stayed with but when Kane and Show just dumped them over, the heat got absurd

 

[R=G]

Why can't he reach D Bry levels?

Give him a few years

It's gonna take a few years because against Bryan? It won't work. And there's no way Ambrose is gonna ever get the kind of pops Bryan got when he got pushed to the top in 2013 every week. Bryan had that crowd going nuts after Money In The Bank 2013 like it was a smaller form of Steve Austin in 98 and Rock in 2000. Ever since he got chosen as Cena's opponent and got his theme music back after that Kane tag team break up, he's been insanely over. "Thank You, Daniel" chants for a few PPVS this year after having to give up his IC title? I don't see that in Ambrose's future....the connect just isn't gonna exist. Ziggler has been there longer than Bryan and fans bought into him big time but they never rode for Ziggler like they did for Bryan to end 2013, Royal Rumble 2014, or when he turned in that Cage match.

I don't think people really understand just how over Bryan is. Raw is a joke without him...look at the energy and the way things have been since he's been gone. Cena still hated for his horrible promos and content, Roman sometimes winning crowds over but still getting heat in real spots(he did a REAL good job winning over the last couple of crowds at the PPV and on Raw), Cesaro is very over even though they job him out like he can't even beat Owens man to man, Owens is a heel favorite with the fans, Wyatt got some heat again for the Undertaker stuff but it's not making waves, Lesnar is on vacation again, Blandy STILL SUCKS, Del Rio is very good but he's not the difference maker Bryan is, neither is Ziggler. Neither is Ambrose. Just placeholders.....Bryan won the fans' heart like Austin did at WM 13 in the Bret Hart match when he never quit and also when he returned from the injured neck deal with Owen. They'll never heel on those types.

 

[Da King]

still EASILY the most over member of the Shield

 

[Champagne Kudo]

It's gonna take a few years because against Bryan? It won't work. And there's no way Ambrose is gonna ever get the kind of pops Bryan got when he got pushed to the top in 2013 every week. Bryan had that crowd going nuts after Money In The Bank 2013 like it was a smaller form of Steve Austin in 98 and Rock in 2000. Ever since he got chosen as Cena's opponent and got his theme music back after that Kane tag team break up, he's been insanely over. "Thank You, Daniel" chants for a few PPVS this year after having to give up his IC title? I don't see that in Ambrose's future....the connect just isn't gonna exist. Ziggler has been there longer than Bryan and fans bought into him big time but they never rode for Ziggler like they did for Bryan to end 2013, Royal Rumble 2014, or when he turned in that Cage match.

I honestly think he can get over huge given a good Baby face push but in his current incarnation as a face. I feel like Deans situation is gonna be more similar to punk (a guy who is on D Bry level). People liked punk his first baby face run but then the heel turn really got him going and them by the time the pipebomb happened and he became a Baby face again he was insanely over. Of course Dean right now isn't gonna be on Bryans level when they barely do anything with him. But give more time to prove himself and put him a position where he really gets to shine, I think he could totally get to that level. And I don't Ziggler is even in the same conversation as guys like Bryan, Dean, Punk. Ziggler a weird case. They like him because he works hard but outside of that what does he really have? Dean honestly has everything it takes to be a star. A good enough look, mic skills and ring skills. All he needs is that real push

 

[Champagne Kudo]

Nah...he's had ALOT of time and it seems Cesaro can get the crowd more into his matches than Ambrose even though Ambrose comes out to big pops at times. The Ambrose/Seth Ladder match was a highlight for Ambrose and how over he was. The Rumble was proof that the crowd was into him big time too even though he got booed to a degree when he kept helping Roman. Roman got ULTRA booed at the Rumble when he did that little rest in the corner thing and him and Ambrose teamed up to it being set up for him looking better with explosive clothelines as if he was the Steve Austin of the situation...lol. I watched the key parts of Rumble 2015 again yesterday..the heat for Roman was through the fukking roof. The SUPPORT for Bryan when he got eliminated was insane. They kept chanting that man's name over and over again..they heeled on everyone. Ziggler and Ambrose were who they stayed with but when Kane and Show just dumped them over, the heat got absurd

Dean and Cesaro aren't really comparable imo. Yes Cesaro can get the crowd heavy into his matches but his reactions start to dwindle as soon as he's not given the chance to shine anymore. While with Dean he hasn't really been doing shyt and he's still coming out to crazy pops

 

[Champagne Kudo]

Dean hasn't had any of those career defining moments that push people to that next level. He hasn't had Cena vs D Bry or a Pipebomb moment

 

[R=G]

I honestly think he can get over huge given a good Baby face push but in his current incarnation as a face. I feel like Deans situation is gonna be more similar to punk (a guy who is on D Bry level). People liked punk his first baby face run but then the heel turn really got him going and them by the time the pipebomb happened and he became a Baby face again he was insanely over. Of course Dean right now isn't gonna be on Bryans level when they barely do anything with him. But give more time to prove himself and put him a position where he really gets to shine, I think he could totally get to that level. And I don't Ziggler is even in the same conversation as guys like Bryan, Dean, Punk. Ziggler a weird case. They like him because he works hard but outside of that what does he really have? Dean honestly has everything it takes to be a star. A good enough look, mic skills and ring skills. All he needs is that real push

People don't get it..they turned against 4 PPVs for Daniel Bryan? Come on If that's not a draw in this industry and the DEFINITION of someone that people pay money to see.

I don't see Punk on the Bryan level. When he quit, it made hysteria and people chanted for him but he was just like Ambrose and Ziggler, he was in the ring when the crowd wanted Bryan more than him too. Night of the Slammys during that Cena/Blandy promo and the crowd took over with the Yes and Daniel Bryan chants and at the Rumble when they heeled on a match that was more designed to get Punk over than for Bryan. Punk needed the pipe bomb to get as over as he did..technically the pipe bomb is a lot of complaining about not getting paid enough and not getting the same political backing that Cena got with a couple of slick shots at the Rock and Cripple H tossed in for good measure to make it seem controversial to a gullible IWC. It worked and it worked big..so he deserves props for that. Merchandise was selling big and they eventually gave him that title reign but he had a limit to that reign as a underling to whatever was going on with Cena. When Bryan took over, they pushed aside and did everything they could to keep that title on Bryan during that injury because his segments were the highest rated and he was definitely moving that needle, Cena or no Cena on that show. And he didn't quit when it got hard and won at WM..something that will always be more legitimate for him on the books than how Punk handled not getting another huge push because he couldn't draw on the upper level.

Bryan came back doing jobs on Raw to Wyatt...Ambrose was probably winning more heading into WM 31 so they were doing something with him ahead of Bryan but the fans saw through the bull$hit again and knew it was a backstage deal where they wanted Bryan LESSENED so Roman and Cena could look better, since they never lose and look dominant all the time. That's why Bryan came out to the pop he did at WM 31 and Roman and Cena didn't. I don't think there is anything Ambrose can do to get to the level Bryan has but he could definitely go a step further in his ways as a heel.

 

[R=G]

Dean and Cesaro aren't really comparable imo. Yes Cesaro can get the crowd heavy into his matches but his reactions start to dwindle as soon as he's not given the chance to shine anymore. While with Dean he hasn't really been doing shyt and he's still coming out to crazy pops

Nah..they never really chose Ambrose over Cesaro. Cesaro may come out to whatever pops in hick cities that more into Nikki Bell and Cena but in the smark crowds, he's ultra over and that is what will sustain him no matter what. They got Ambrose as Reigns sidekick to help keep the crowd somewhat with Reigns but it seems that's obvious he's about to heel on Reigns to stop him from winning the belt at Survivor Series. It's WAY too obvious that Reigns is gonna just show up and beat Seth man to man like he was just another jobber. Got to be a twist for that.

 

[R=G]

Dean hasn't had any of those career defining moments that push people to that next level. He hasn't had Cena vs D Bry or a Pipebomb moment

And his promos haven't been knock out either...the dummy promo was bashed HARD but the fans in the arena didn't want to boo him, they just went quiet. U don't get that kind of stuff with Bryan..he just does heartfelt promos and the fans are with him. $hit, he got screwed over by Michaels, and Michaels did all the talking the night after yet they booed Michaels hard and chanted "You SOLD OUT" at him when they usually stay with him since he's been around so long.