Lets keep it 100....does "Get Out" deserve any Oscars?

[Mic-Nificent]

lol

it most certainly can.

It's easy to nominate something just to keep ppl from the backlash.


Oscars so white?? "b-b-b-ut then why did we nominate Get Out?, we aren't racist"




But, my personal opinion. I liked it, I thought it was original and I think it has as good a chance to win as any.

I watche da few of these Oscar movies and didn't care for them at all

The Shape of water??

If what you're saying was even remotely true then Detroit would have been racking up award nominations at every major show including the Oscars. White people LOVED Detroit and they've been looking for reasons to give John Boyega some awards.

 

[MartyMcFly]

I think the crazy that the bar is set so high for black people when they go for awards. They have to have a completely original idea and it has to be flawless not to be questioned. Meanwhile we have a movie like 3 Billboards that gives a redemption arc to a racist cop and allows a white woman to bomb a police station and ride off into the sunset with the redeemed racist cop and no one questions the Oscar worthiness of this ridiculous plot? LOL. That's evidence of A+ brainwashing. fukk outta here.

Yeah the idea that every movie has to be 100% wholly original to merit Oscar contention is stupid. Especially considering the fact we can trace a line from every movie nominated this year. The Shape Of Water leans on old Hollywood and universal monster movies. Del toro made his own creature from the black lagoon. Nolan made his own war movie. Peele made his own stepford wives and contextualized it for today. Spielberg made a prettier version of all the presidents men and network. The shyt isn’t rocket science.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Yeah the idea that every movie has to be 100% wholly original to merit Oscar contention is stupid. Especially considering the fact we can trace a line from every movie nominated this year. The Shape Of Water leans on old Hollywood and universal monster movies. Del toro made his own creature from the black lagoon. Nolan made his own war movie. Peele made his own stepford wives and contextualized it for today. Spielberg made a prettier version of all the presidents men and network. The shyt isn’t rocket science.

"That movie is wack because it's unoriginal/formulaic" is mostly used when people lack to conviction to just say they didn't like a movie but can't really explain why.

Some shyt just doesn't resonate with people for whatever reason.

 

[MartyMcFly]

"That movie is wack because it's unoriginal/formulaic" is mostly used when people lack to conviction to just say they didn't like a movie but can't really explain why.

Some shyt just doesn't resonate with people for whatever reason.

Yeah it’s ridiculous. Everything is derivative of something else. They’ve been making movies for decades now. If you don’t think your favorite movie doesn’t owe something to something that came before it, you’re either stupid or willfully ignorant or can’t make a point to save your life. If you don’t like some shyt cool you don’t like it.

 

[nieman]

Oh, right, cause biopics likeThe Darkest Hour are so rare, right? Or war movies like Dunkirk? I don't think I've ever seen a WWII movie nominated for anything before? Certainly not slice of life coming to age stories like Lady Bird. We've never seen those before. And that gaycoming of age romance Call Me by Your Name, that's completely original right? Wait, what was the name of the movie that won best picture last year?

You're right,Jordan Peele is really trying some slick shyt here, being all unoriginal and campaigning for an Oscar using familiar material with a new twist on it.

Most movies aren't original. I was responding to you implying that Get Out was so unique a movie, because it involved black people. But it wasn't. The twist wasn't even unique, but a lot of the audience was. If people don't think it's a great movie, that's fine - we go through this with damn near everything. You should've seen the Inception thread.

And La La Lan...er..Moonlight won last year. There were threads on both of those last year. You probably are too young for the Crash thread at the old spot.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Get out has been one of the most well reviewed and received movies of the decade.

I love this idea that a movie that made that much money, was high on so many year end lists, has been called the best movie of the year and THE movie of 2017 by a lot of white critics, one that was championed by white critics, is also hated by white critics and people and they’ll be infuriated if it wins the Oscar. I swear nikkas don’t know if they’re coming or going on this site

 

[Won Won]

@Ghostwriter nikka your basic reasoning skills are atrocious.

You need to find the Teachers Lounge and smack the shyt outta everybody that failed you. :Ugh5150:

He's a flat earther/conspiracy weirdo

 

[Black Panther]

It's easy to nominate something just to keep ppl from the backlash.


Oscars so white?? "b-b-b-ut then why did we nominate Get Out?, we aren't racist"

There's no reason to assume this, unless you're just presupposing the motives behind Get Out's nomination.

Get Out was just that good. :kanyebp:
I honestly don't understand what any of you are actually whining about: was there some other black-made cultural film that was more deserving of an Oscar in 2017 or something? If so, what? :bpthink:

 

[NobodyReally]

Most movies aren't original. I was responding to you implying that Get Out was so unique a movie, because it involved black people. But it wasn't. The twist wasn't even unique, but a lot of the audience was. If people don't think it's a great movie, that's fine - we go through this with damn near everything. You should've seen the Inception thread.

And La La Lan...er..Moonlight won last year. There were threads on both of those last year. You probably are too young for the Crash thread at the old spot.

Oh but despite the fact that 'Get Out' is a derivative of other movies, the marriage of sci-fi horror with racial commentary in a independent movie script was completely original. You can talk about Stepford Wives and Body Snatchers all you like but no one was touching race. Don't try to discredit the unique contribution it made to the genre or the discourse it produced on different types of racism. None of this shyt was new, but it was the story and storytelling that was fresh and it completely deserves all of the praise for that.

I've been on this board since it was created, and I'm older than most people on here. I have noticed though that there is a pattern when black movies get nominated of questioning their legitimacy because of tokenism. I just think that's a racist argument and supports the notion that the other nominees are some how all worthy.

 

[nieman]

I think the crazy that the bar is set so high for black people when they go for awards. They have to have a completely original idea and it has to be flawless not to be questioned. Meanwhile we have a movie like 3 Billboards that gives a redemption arc to a racist cop and allows a white woman to bomb a police station and ride off into the sunset with the redeemed racist cop and no one questions the Oscar worthiness of this ridiculous plot? LOL. That's evidence of A+ brainwashing. fukk outta here.

I wasn't really talking about originality. When you told the other bul he was in the Sunken Place and the movie was about him...there are plenty of movies with that trope. If you judge everything on the same scale...To me, it didn't matter who wrote or directed Get Out, but it is a double edged sword. You can't garner the accolades without the scrutiny that will come with it. It's just that with black people (in general, you HAVE to like a movie or you're to phrase it you way you put it, in "the sunken place"). That's what this thread is about. Now to a lot of people, they are seeing something in Get Out that they haven't seen before, but to the non-casuals, you can take that in consideration, but still judge it as a movie. And everyone knows Oscars are about the campaigning as much as the actual film. You need the power and influence or name behind it. Like I said, it's more entertaining than a lot of movies recently, and it definitely shoudl win Best Original Screenplay, but as for Director, Actor and Pic...to my the score stops it from being Best Pic. I needed a better score...Elfman should've scored this.

Three Billboards was ehhh to me. I loved I, Tonya though, I haven't seen Shape of Water yet, I have to be in the mood for Guillermo. Actually, I think The Disaster Artist was the best of all of the ones I've watched so far.

 

[Maschine_Man]

See that’s the issue. We complain when they don’t nominate shyt with us in it but when they do we complain cause it’s not what we want. That’s bullshyt and backwards. Because there are plenty of movies I love that have never been nominated for Oscars nor will they be. Casino royale is possibly my fav movie of all time. Is the academy wrong for not nominating it? Of course not.

Point being it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. When they don’t nominate a movie you want, you say it’s essentially affirmative action and a PR stunt. But then if they didn’t nominate anything you’d be pissed. Can’t have it both ways homie.

And The Shape Of Water is dope

I liked get Out, and I think that it deserves its nomination and to win.

I'm just saying that its completely possible for them to do what they do.

and for the record, I couldn't give any less fukks about who wins or doesn't cuz all that shyt is BS and politics. The facade that they are so genuine and really care about the arts and all that other nonsense is a joke.


but, I wasn't a huge fan of the Shape of water for some reason. I usually love Del toro's work, but The shape of water was just average to me

 

[Maschine_Man]

If what you're saying was even remotely true then Detroit would have been racking up award nominations at every major show including the Oscars. White people LOVED Detroit and they've been looking for reasons to give John Boyega some awards.

get out was the movie they picked, just like Moonlight was the one they picked last year.

if you can't see it then I don't know what to say. But its plain as day from my POV.

 

[NobodyReally]

I wasn't really talking about originality. When you told the other bul he was in the Sunken Place and the movie was about him...there are plenty of movies with that trope. If you judge everything on the same scale...To me, it didn't matter who wrote or directed Get Out, but it is a double edged sword. You can't garner the accolades without the scrutiny that will come with it. It's just that with black people (in general, you HAVE to like a movie or you're to phrase it you way you put it, in "the sunken place"). That's what this thread is about. Now to a lot of people, they are seeing something in Get Out that they haven't seen before, but to the non-casuals, you can take that in consideration, but still judge it as a movie. And everyone knows Oscars are about the campaigning as much as the actual film. You need the power and influence or name behind it. Like I said, it's more entertaining than a lot of movies recently, and it definitely shoudl win Best Original Screenplay, but as for Director, Actor and Pic...to my the score stops it from being Best Pic. I needed a better score...Elfman should've scored this.

Three Billboards was ehhh to me. I loved I, Tonya though, I haven't seen Shape of Water yet, I have to be in the mood for Guillermo. Actually, I think The Disaster Artist was the best of all of the ones I've watched so far.

Well, I'm not a casual. And if you can point to a movie that makes similar social commentary about race wrapped up in sci-fic or horror, I'd eat it up.

I will say though that after reading your rationale for your talking points, I appreciate that you're at least trying to be critical in how you're approaching what you think is Oscar worthy. I definitely think that The Disaster Artist was good but I'm not mad it wasn't nominated. I actually think The Florida Project got snubbed. I also really, really enjoyed My Friend Dahmer, but you know the Academy wasn't touching that movie with a ten foot pole because of the disturbing subject matter. For me that's the biggest crime of all when it comes to the Oscar, movies that truly disturb and rattle people usually don't get noms at all. Shape of the Water is really good but not Del Toro's best. I still think it belongs on the list. I really want to see I, Tonya but they still aren't playing it here. Looking forward to catching it on blu-ray though.

 

[Maschine_Man]

There's no reason to assume this, unless you're just presupposing the motives behind Get Out's nomination.

Get Out was just that good. :kanyebp:
I honestly don't understand what any of you are actually whining about: was there some other black-made cultural film that was more deserving of an Oscar in 2017 or something? If so, what? :bpthink:

are you suggesting that I am complaining?



I am doing nothing of the sort, just saying that it is completely possible for the academy to nominate something to fend off any backlash.


like I said, I thought it was a good movie and it deserves the praise it gets. But if it doesn't win, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.

 

[nieman]

Oh but despite the fact that 'Get Out' is a derivative of other movies, the marriage of sci-fi horror with racial commentary in a independent movie script was completely original. You can talk about Stepford Wives and Body Snatchers all you like but no one was touching race. Don't try to discredit the unique contribution it made to the genre or the discourse it produced on different types of racism. None of this shyt was new, but it was the story and storytelling that was fresh and it completely deserves all of the praise for that.

I've been on this board since it was created, and I'm older than most people on here. I have noticed though that there is a pattern when black movies get nominated of questioning their legitimacy because of tokenism. I just think that's a racist argument and supports the notion that the other nominees are some how all worthy.

Understandable, but no one mentioned the fact of Peele being black. Most black people didn't touch his stuff - he had a niche market. If everyone was so initially interested in Get Out, how did this movie with a $33M opening make $175M? Most movies see a 50-60% dropoff Week 1 - Week 2, this ish was steady. And I did see it on opening night. IDGAF about the race aspect of it, because like I said, the themes of man don't change only who it relates to. I say the audience is what changed.

My point is it's not just Get Out. Get Out is just currently the popular thing, reached a new audience, so the thread has a larger audience. There are plenty of threads with other movies of similar discussions, but with black movies/shows it always turns into a race debate. i HATE that