Lets Discuss What went wrong with Bernie Sanders' campaign ?

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  • Things that were his fault:
  • Running a campaign that didn't have a simple persuasive message for the most important parts of the electorate.
  • Overestimating how progressive the country really is, especially in regards to the white working class.
  • Which in turn is the result of conflating the amount of hate people have for Hillary with the hate they have for "the establishment, neoliberalism, third way politics, etc"
  • Not clearly articulating how he would pay for his most ambition plans led to skepticism.
  • Things not in his control:
  • Biden being seen as a proxy for Obama allowed Biden to run a half ass campaign and still obtain high Black support.
  • South Carolina being so early allowed for the pro Biden narrative to undermine Bernies momentum.
  • All the moderates dropping out relatively early leading to concentrated support for Biden.
  1. In general progressives lack a concise and persuasive message that scales. Using the establishment as the overarching boogeyman doesn't scale. Not to imply the establishment is popular or generally accepted, but they are not hated enough to allow for sub par messaging on the part of progressives. Thus, the progressive message has to appeal emotionally to the general electorate.
  2. If progressives continue to think that great logic beats great rhetoric in politics they will continue to be disappointed in the American electorate. Accepting that you will have to provide information in a concise and easily understood manner. Thus coming to grips with the fact that long winded and caveat filled messages do not resonate with the typical voter.
 

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The US has been a reactionary hellhole since it's inception,these ghouls couldn't even vote for the imperialist social democrat.Sanders was ouchea literally running on the premise of using war spoils to fund their healthcare but no, American bootlickers only have to enrich their masters.:mjlol:
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Key takeaway ( and something in his control) - Should not have run an anti-establishment campaign when the party affliation, brand, and leaders are all popular with voters.

As I said in the other thread, this seems to have been built from same faulty premise that 2016 happened because voters disliked Obama.
 

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Bernie got fukked by his own party, the media, and large corporations.

Whoever says it's because he had no 'black agenda' or 'his ideas were too ambitious' are disingenuous because first no other serious candidate had a 'black agenda', southern blacks voted for biden because he goes to church and was Obama's token white guy. Second, you vote for a candidate because you like their agenda. You give them a chance at the presidency and let them shoot their shot. If they miss badly you come back and say okay this wasn't smart or you could simply put pressure on your politicians to lean more left to get things that benefit us. If people had this mentality of not voting for candidates with ambitious ideas we'd probably still be in chains.
Bernie fukked Bernie, nobody else did that shyt :mjlol:
 

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No half responsible person really believes that free everything for everyone bullshyt.
No offense but you are a low information voter if you really think this. Folks like you are food from Bloomberg's commercials and slogans like "Make America Great Again".
 

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Anyone with any common sense knew he didn't have a real chance

-The amount of young online Twitter user with "resit and he/she/they" in their profiles do not represent the total amount of voters.

-Bernie supporters bark the loudest, but have no bite. He did not have the support that his blind supporters thought he did and still think he does.

-There's a huge disparity in numbers in terms of what he claims his "plans" will cost, and what other sources have said they will cost.

-He would constantly attack the democratic "establishment", and those are the same people he would need in order to win in the general. That is why he would have ZERO chance against Trump. Many democrats would rather not vote or vote for Trump, than vote for someone who has accomplished virtually nothing since he's been in the Senate.
 

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Bernie fukked Bernie, nobody else did that shyt :mjlol:
Bernie and Liz were two candidates that had ideas that the majority of the country agreed with. Misinformation led to the sheep to vote towards protecting their billionaire bosses who'll do everything to keep the status quo, since it benefits them so much.
 

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What evidence is there for this talking point at all? Bernie talked about Black-specific issues far more than most candidates have, while the candidate that won didn't talk about Black-specific issues at all. In fact, I can't recall any candidate EVER winning due to how much he talked about Black-specific issues. So where are y'all getting this talking point from?

I've brought up a ton of ads, tweets, policies, etc. where Bernie put Black folk from and center. No one else talked about the Black-White wealth gap as much as he did, no one else talked about HBCU's and the Black student loan debt burden as much as he did, no one else talked about Black-White discrepancies in health care as much as he did, no one else talked about police brutality against Black folk as much as he did. No one else had Black folk as central to his campaign (Nina Turner and Briahna Joy Gray).

Meanwhile, Biden gave the Black community....what exactly? He pandered to literal White supremacists more than he pandered to Black folk, bragging how well he had worked across the aisle with racists. He lied about getting arrested to see Mandela, had multiple creepy moments with black kids, talked around his previous opposition to busing, dropped multiple statements where he blamed Black families for underperforming schools, swept his authorship of the crime bill (and low-key his support for ALL the other major crime bills) under the rug, promised nothing to decrease the black-white wealth gap....that's the candidate the establishment gave us. He has done NOTHING for our community and doesn't have to commit to doing anything going forward.

So what could Bernie have done to be more like Biden in that regard?

everybody loves to play revisionist history, but like it or not black ppl overwhelmingly supported the crime bill at the time it was written. Bernie also supported the crime bill.

Biden’s got support by the black establishment bc a lot of his policies were actually written by black ppl. Two year free college and hbcu funding specifically.

no one believed anything Bernie said about hbcus bc he only brought them up when he ran for president, he established zero relationships at hbcus when he’s been in congress for 2 decades.

meanwhile Bidens been visiting hbcu campuses since the 80’s even being a commencement speaker at two of them well before he ran for president. And helped save Delaware state from going under. Bernie never gave a duck about hbcus until he needed hbcus.


Biden wrote and passed the anti discrimination act for access to credit for black ppl. Eliminating workarounds for banks were doing to continue to practice redlining. He also wrote a bill attempting to establish internal affairs departments within all policing bodies in america.

two monumental and tangible things that have helped the black community over the past few decades. And one of the main reasons Biden was chosen to become the vp.

Bernie has produced absolutely nothing, not one thing for the black community.


Bernie also is a huge supporter of including minority serving institutions to get access to hbcu funding. A behind the scenes battle black politicians have been battling for 2 decades. Essentially Hispanics have gotten colleges that serve a lot of Latinos (over 50% of their student) to qualify as minority serving institutions. They have slowly started to take more funding set aside for hbcus by pressuring white democrats to include them in hbcu funding.

Trumps “hbcu” Bill is a perfect example of this, all of that money is not going to hbcus only.

Black politicians have gotten Biden to stop this practice. :wow:

I wouldn’t expect the Coli to know about this bc most of thecoli progressives get their information from white liberal online media sources. :scust:That’s why when some of you push Bernies talking points, it’s very disappointing to read. It shows none of you have any actual involvement in the black community whatsoever bc u know nothing about the biggest issues we’re fighting privately.

All of your posts are regurgitated talking point by white progressives thinking they know what’s best for black ppl.

Most of y’all are grown men too. shyts sad to read sometimes :mjcry:
 

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How does your claim fit with Bernie throughout nearly the entire campaign have the highest favorability rating and lowest negatives of all the candidates?

Until the final week of the campaign everyone loved Bernie. They said straight up that it was electability questions that made the vote for someone else, not because they disagreed with his positions or disliked him as a person. Bernie beat Biden in favorability until the final days, beat Biden in "agree with his positions on the issues" even IN the final days, and beat Biden in "cares about people like me." The only reason they voted for Biden is because the media hard-pushed Bernie as unelectable and divisive even though the polls didn't support that, and folk ended up buying that narrative.
People had options. South Carolina slimmed down the race with the Biden blowout. Then, the consolidation happened :manny:.
 

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This is a higher learning thread, you ain't supposed to be ignorant as fukk in here.


Ben Cohen (national co-chair)[3]
Ro Khanna (national co-chair)[3]
Nina Turner (national co-chair)[3]
Carmen Yulín Cruz (national co-chair)[3]
Faiz Shakir (campaign manager)[4]
Analilia Mejia (national political director)[5]
Briahna Joy Gray (press secretary)[6]
Chuck Rocha (senior adviser)[7]

Those are the central people in Bernie's campaign. Who are the "lily-white cacs" you speak of? There's literally one Jewish guy and otherwise zero other White people in the entire group. Seriously, wtf were you talking about?

great job googling.

now google the civil rights laws for black ppl Biden wrote and passed.

After that google which ones Bernie wrote and passed for black ppl. You’ll get zero results, but I’m sure white progressives can come up with some excuses you can post in this thread.
 

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Yeah the youth turnout in those states is disappointing but when you have a whole establishment + biased media going against you good luck

the misinformation about Bernie and attacks on him were crazy

Murica will never change and look out for working class people.... :yeshrug: just don't expect me to vote for the lesser of 2 evils im good
 

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Continued running with the outsider message which limited his base. Appointing Stein supporters didn't help because it did not bring a different perspective or actually work with people in the party.
He could have linked up with people like Feingold, Howard Dean, Sherrod Brown and others who can build a constituency from within the party. The DSA types don't help, Bernie was having to answer for
the conduct of his supporters online which was just unnecessary. They managed to magnify differences with someone like Warren and turned strategy differences into "you want to watch people die". The NYT had a study that showed the difference between Twitter/social media democrats and the party in general and the results were obvious, they skew younger and have college degrees while being more liberal. The people around him learned all the wrong lessons from Trump 16 and Obama 08. They believed the 30% against a crowded field would work but also forgot that the Trump campaign basically ceded ground to social conservatives on issues like Supreme Court judges and the VP pick. Obama before he started out had Daschle and the wealthy Pritzkers' and then when the primary started sought the endorsement of establishment figures. They couldn't figure out how to thread that needle between ideology and political reality of building alliances.
 
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