Let's Be Reality: Islam Is A Problem.

[DIMES]

Not a single verse of the Quran says that the earth is flat. The Quran only compares the earth's crust with a carpet. Some people seem to think that carpet can only be put on an absolute flat surface. It is possible to spread a carpet on a large sphere such as the earth.


people that criticize the Quran always use the same lies.

I proved the flatness of earth in here already. Straight up undeniable.

 

[CHL]

I proved the flatness of earth in here already. Straight up undeniable.

You definitely did prove something undeniably. I'm not sure it was a flat Earth though.

 

[Solomon Caine]

Okay. If some Muslims interpret the Quran and then accept that the world is in fact flat are they wrong?

I proved the flatness of earth in here already. Straight up undeniable.

 

[DIMES]

You definitely did prove something undeniably. I'm not sure it was a flat Earth though.

It's ok to be slightly skeptical.

The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were a ball, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it. This does not happen anywhere on earth.




You can observe the new york skyline from New Jersey which is impossible on a ball earth because of "curvature".



Ball earth defies the natural physics of water to find and maintain its level. Rivers would be flowing uphill, for example, the Missisipi River would have travel up about 11 miles. Bridges and buildings plans/schematics don't factor in earth curvature ever. Airplane maintain their altitude without ever dipping constantly which would be necessary on a ball earth.

On a ball Earth, Johannesburg, South Africa to Perth, Australia should be a straight flight over the Indian Ocean with convenient re-fueling possibilities on Mauritus or Madagascar. In actual practice, however, most Johannesburg to Perth flights curiously stop over either in Dubai, Hong Kong or Malaysia all of which make no sense on the ball, but are completely understandable when mapped on a flat Earth.


There's many more proofs. The rotating ball earth model is easy to rip to shreds because you realize there absolutely zero basis for it.

It's reality.

 

[DIMES]

 

[Solomon Caine]

No evidence from the Quran or Hadith. No science to back up his claim either. He doesn't have a leg to stand on


These are the same clerics that justify crucifying and beheading people for offending ''religious authority'' (the royal family or government) which apparently is equal to apostasy. What kind of Islam is that?

 

[DIMES]

No evidence from the Quran or Hadith. No science to back up his claim either. He doesn't have a leg to stand on


These are the same clerics that justify crucifying and beheading people for offending ''religious authority'' (the royal family or government) which apparently is equal to apostasy. What kind of Islam is that?

He didn't use the Quran because it isn't explicitly stated in there. I'm sure you knew that.

I understand your view on the clerics, this was just a video to show my point. He pointed out a sensible proof. The multiple proofs are in my post above if you skipped them.

 

[Solomon Caine]

He didn't use the Quran because it isn't explicitly stated in there. I'm sure you knew that.

I understand your view on the clerics, this was just a video to show my point. He pointed out a sensible proof. The multiple proofs are in my post above if you skipped them.

Obviously it isn't mentioned in the Quran, nor is it in any science books. Which means they are 'his' theories, which he has a right to believe in, if that what he wants.

But we are going to need more evidence than what 'he' thinks and your last post, which I did read btw.

I personally don't listen to Saudi and other clerics that where educated in certain institutions. That's just me.

 

[DIMES]

Obviously it isn't mentioned in the Quran, nor is it in any science books. Which means they are 'his' theories, which he has a right to believe in, if that what he wants.

But we are going to need more evidence than what 'he' thinks and your last post, which I did read btw.

I personally don't listen to Saudi and other clerics that where educated in certain institutions. That's just me.

Why is the horizon flat brother?

There's no explanation other than what I said.

 

[Solomon Caine]

Why is the horizon flat brother?

There's no explanation other than what I said.

Probably because your eye can't see far enough to notice the shape of the earth.

I never ask myself these type of questions. Personally I don't see how the shape of the earth would really change anything. The only reason I got involved is because people where lying about the Quran.

 

[DIMES]

Probably because your eye can't see far enough to notice the shape of the earth.

I never ask myself these type of questions. Personally I don't see how the shape of the earth would really change anything. The only reason I got involved is because people where lying about the Quran.

Brother it doesn't matter about eyesight. The horizon is flat with the most powerful zoom camera. There's no debate lol. I laid out the facts. I respect your position was to just clarify the Quran to the others though.

 

[Solomon Caine]

On a ball Earth, Johannesburg, South Africa to Perth, Australia should be a straight flight over the Indian Ocean with convenient re-fueling possibilities on Mauritus or Madagascar. In actual practice, however, most Johannesburg to Perth flights curiously stop over either in Dubai, Hong Kong or Malaysia all of which make no sense on the ball, but are completely understandable when mapped on a flat Earth.

 

[CHL]

It's ok to be slightly skeptical.

The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were a ball, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it. This does not happen anywhere on earth.




You can observe the new york skyline from New Jersey which is impossible on a ball earth because of "curvature".



Ball earth defies the natural physics of water to find and maintain its level. Rivers would be flowing uphill, for example, the Missisipi River would have travel up about 11 miles. Bridges and buildings plans/schematics don't factor in earth curvature ever. Airplane maintain their altitude without ever dipping constantly which would be necessary on a ball earth.

On a ball Earth, Johannesburg, South Africa to Perth, Australia should be a straight flight over the Indian Ocean with convenient re-fueling possibilities on Mauritus or Madagascar. In actual practice, however, most Johannesburg to Perth flights curiously stop over either in Dubai, Hong Kong or Malaysia all of which make no sense on the ball, but are completely understandable when mapped on a flat Earth.


There's many more proofs. The rotating ball earth model is easy to rip to shreds because you realize there absolutely zero basis for it.

It's reality.

Thank you for educating me, akhi. May Allah bless you with 72 virgins and the fastest Buraq in Heaven.

 

[DonFrancisco]

And the whole issue with extremism is complex. One of the issues no one has yet covered is that extremism is strengthen by the failures of pro-western, secular governments. Image if you and your parents lived in 3rd world conditions in an oil rich nation. Even if you were well off, you would feel some type of way of how inept your leaders and government are. This where religious extremist come and fill a void and use their "divine right" as a recruiting and governing tool. The problem becomes is that the people that oppose these extremist are threaten by extreme violence, another group doesn't care, and the last segment buys into this doctrine of these religious nuts. Couple with the fact you are financially backed by some rich people (who have their own personal agendas) now you have the money, guns, and structure in place to enact your power.

Too many Arab and South Asian secular government are weak and divided, so these extremist come and take over. First with ideology, then committed recruits, finally with being a ruling body.

You have to give credit to these religious extremist organizations, they are efficient and ruthless when it comes to governing and ruling. They provide their citizens with protection and basic infrastructure needs. At the end, most people just expect their government to provide basic protections and fill needs, they could careless about voting or complex human rights (word to Thomas Hobbes and his social contract).

 

[mbewane]

And the whole issue with extremism is complex. One of the issues no one has yet covered is that extremism is strengthen by the failures of pro-western, secular governments. Image if you and your parents lived in 3rd world conditions in an oil rich nation. Even if you were well off, you would feel some type of way of how inept your leaders and government are. This where religious extremist come and fill a void and use their "divine right" as a recruiting and governing tool. The problem becomes is that the people that oppose these extremist are threaten by extreme violence, another group doesn't care, and the last segment buys into this doctrine of these religious nuts. Couple with the fact you are financially backed by some rich people (who have their own personal agendas) now you have the money, guns, and structure in place to enact your power.

Too many Arab and South Asian secular government are weak and divided, so these extremist come and take over. First with ideology, then committed recruits, finally with being a ruling body.

You have to give credit to these religious extremist organizations, they are efficient and ruthless when it comes to governing and ruling. They provide their citizens with protection and basic infrastructure needs. At the end, most people just expect their government to provide basic protections and fill needs, they could careless about voting or complex human rights (word to Thomas Hobbes and his social contract).

Yep. Most people especially in the right and obviously in the US TOTALLY deny any social or contextual reasons to the rise of extremism. They just say "These people are crazy". Far from that actually, especially ISIS, Hamas or the Muslim brotherhood. These people are organized, thorough and have an actual administrative infrastructure, and take over what the state has not been able to do. But that analysis obviously doesn't sit well because to confront it you would have to give more power to the state (SOCIALISM ALERT!!!).

Funny enough, most arab states had a brand of nationalism mixed with socialism in the 70s-80s, and were secular. That did not sit with the powers that be.

An understated aspect of this whole conversation is that, especially in Europe, it's not so much/only that Islam has become more radical (there has always been extremist pockets in Europe) but...that radicals have islamized. There is no other valuable "alternative" to the mainstream neo-liberal system. Socialism and communisms have been destroyed, and the neo-liberal system itself does not provide a "story" or an inspiration for the future. It's only message is "You're on you own, get your money or it's your fault". There is no social project, nothing people can believe in anymore, as individuals or societies.

So while before people who were against neo-liberalism and all-out capitalism could turn to socialism, communism or "Another world is possible" movements, now they really can't. What's left? Religion, that gives a sense of community and a "purpose". This also explains in part the rise of the "born again" churches in Africa, but in Europe it's Islam (with it's extreme parts) that has provided that alternative.