Let us relive this classic: Mike Tyson vs Razor Ruddock 1

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Knocking a heavyweight out and having to continue aint no fukkin "mental toughness" shyt, you weirdo.

That's like winning the fukkin Tour de France then being told you gotta bike another 40 miles....then being trashed because you didn't win.

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Really Ali jaw was broken early in a fight and he went the distance. Tough. Tyson cries about headbutts and bites someones ear off smh
 

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Really Ali jaw was broken early in a fight and he went the distance. Tough. Tyson cries about headbutts and bites someones ear off smh
Nobody is talking about fighting through a broken jaw.

You're moving goalposts.

Tyson knocked out Douglas.
He should have won right there. Nobody should have to win fights twice.
 

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http://www.boxing.com/the_one_hundred_greatest_heavyweights_of_all_time_part_ten_10_1.html


Iron” Mike Tyson denoted the significance of mental strength at the sharp end of boxing. Had he the will to match his astonishing physical capabilities, it’s possible that Tyson would have been the greatest heavyweight of all time. As it stood, a lack of discipline, commitment, grit, prevented him fulfilling his astonishing potential. Tyson scrapes into the top ten here, but for a while it looked like number one was a possibility.

It was James “Quick” Tillis of all people that showed Tyson what boxing was. “I was out of shape because of [an] illness and also because of drinking and partying too hard,” he said of that fight. “He gave me such a body beating I couldn’t even walk…I found out what fighting was really about that night.”

But Tyson didn’t learn lessons; four years later, at the time of his expected outclassing of James “Buster” Douglas, Tyson was training on a steady diet of hotel-maids and “unconventional Japanese women” while supposedly eating only soup in a drastic attempt to lose the thirty pounds he had gained since the Carl Williams slaughter. He was unfocused, slovenly, complacent. Boxing punished him.

His complacency took hold by way of dominance. He smashed out nineteen overmatched journeymen before Tillis extended him the distance, and more seasoned men followed in similarly one-sided fashion. But it was his mid-late eighties prime that really established him as special, as a series of world-class fighters were dispatched with a steaming barrel of vicious torque unseen since Dempsey, but in this instance, the bull-rushing destroyer weighed 215 lbs. and hit accordingly. A creaking Larry Holmes fell in four, Pinklon Thomas in six, Trevor Berbick in just two; most terrifying of all was his first round knockout of legitimate lineal Champion Michael Spinks.

Jabbing fast, swinging wide, he had recognized in his prey the by now familiar vacancy of expression that stretched beyond fear and into hopelessness – “I see that moment, I got you” – and abandoned all pretense of humanity. He was a burning ogre of a fighter, delivering hot violence behind technical surety. Spinks was destroyed by Tyson’s malignant psychic presence almost as much as unequalled physical attack and Iron Mike had something that Holyfield never did; a night upon which he arguably could not have been beaten.

I don’t buy that argument, and Tyson crumbled soon after, emerging a convicted rapist armed with an untamed, eerie fury for a second career that could never have matched his first incarnation, but the unique brutality of his first will never be forgotten.


How is this different then anything I've been saying???
 

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The 10 greatest heavyweights of all time - Page 2 of 11 - Boxing News

10. Mike Tyson.

I’ve begrudgingly bowed to pressure from the Mail’s sports desk, but it’s hard to make a case for Tyson to be listed among the all-time greats. He appeals to the casual boxing fans who enjoy spectacular knockouts. Tyson provided plenty of those, but against moderate opposition. Who did he beat of any note?

He won the heavyweight title against one of the division’s most mediocre champs in Trevor Berbick, lost it to Buster Douglas and was humiliated by Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis.

Many of the greats in the above list stayed too long in boxing and got beat, but they got beat by top fighters. They would not have lost to boxers such as Kevin McBride and Danny Williams. Tyson did.

In truth, Iron Mike was a great “on top” fighter, a bully boy. He looked spectacular dishing it out, but ran out of ideas and ambition against those who could stand-up to his power and hit back. Holyfield, brave, blast-proof and skilled, would’ve beaten Tyson at any stage in his career.

You can neg all you want.
 

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U can't sit here and tell me he aint top 5
YEs I can and easily.
I'm going to list Heavyweights greater than Tyson in achievement and in no particular order
Ali
Joe Louis
Foreman
Holmes
Patterson
Frazier
Jack Johnson
Jersey Joe
Ezzard Charles
Max Schemling
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Rocky Marciano
Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitchsko

Just off the top of my head
 

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YEs I can and easily.
I'm going to list Heavyweights greater than Tyson in achievement and in no particular order
Ali
Joe Louis
Foreman
Holmes
Patterson
Frazier
Jack Johnson
Jersey Joe
Ezzard Charles
Max Schemling
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Rocky Marciano
Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitchsko

Just off the top of my head


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everyone except Ali, frazier, holyfield and lewis

What did Mike fight to have him ranked over Joe Louis, arguably the greatest HW champion of all time. What did he do to be ranked over Foreman? Klitschoko, Jersey Joe, Walcott, Holmes, or Schemeling?
Hell what does he have on his resume that makes him better than Riddikk Bowe?
 

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I think tyson was so good early on it was impossible for anyone else to be considered competition. If Tyson wasn't around some of those boxers he ran through easily, would not of been so forgettable.
I always say it's impossible to measure competition for truly great fighters that dominate their eras. The only reason 90s heavyweights shined was due to Mike being away and the others getting the spotlight to show their skills. In the 70s if Ali never had his exile then Frazier would've never got the same shine unless he beat Ali. All it takes is one or two champions to rise and then anyone who beats them becomes stars and it's looked at as a strong era. Same as Roy Jones dominance. Beat a lot of good fighters who are all shytted on because Roy was dominating the division so none got the shine to showcase their skills.
 

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What did Mike fight to have him ranked over Joe Louis, arguably the greatest HW champion of all time. What did he do to be ranked over Foreman? Klitschoko, Jersey Joe, Walcott, Holmes, or Schemeling?
Hell what does he have on his resume that makes him better than Riddikk Bowe?
like i siad, 90% of them nikkas u aint even see fight yourself. u just going of peoples views from older generations.
 

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like i siad, 90% of them nikkas u aint even see fight yourself. u just going of peoples views from older generations.
Yet I saw Foreman fight, I've seen Holmes fight and I've seen Wlad fight.
As for the others, yes I'm going by written and some cases newsreel footages of their fights, doesn't change the fact that they were succesful against the best comp of their day and some ATGs in their prime, Schemeling beat a prime Joe Louis. Joe Louis beat Baer, Schemeling in the rematch, Jersey Joe, Ezzard Charles, and longest HW reign of all time.

So again tell me why you think Mike Tyson is better than some of these guys when he has nothing to show for it on his resume that matches.
 

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Bill Caplan's 20 greatest heavyweights - The Ring

17. Mike Tyson. Why is he so low on the list? He had fast combinations, pulverizing power and was the great intimidator. He netted over 300 million dollars in purses (that he spent) because this anti-hero had record-breaking drawing power. So why isn’t he in the top 15? Iron Mike, another D’Amato creation, was the world’s greatest front runner. Never once did he walk through fire and win. He never came from behind to win. He never rose from the deck to win. Lack of heart? Lack of character? I don’t know. You tell me.
 

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Yet I saw Foreman fight, I've seen Holmes fight and I've seen Wlad fight.
As for the others, yes I'm going by written and some cases newsreel footages of their fights, doesn't change the fact that they were succesful against the best comp of their day and some ATGs in their prime, Schemeling beat a prime Joe Louis. Joe Louis beat Baer, Schemeling in the rematch, Jersey Joe, Ezzard Charles, and longest HW reign of all time.

So again tell me why you think Mike Tyson is better than some of these guys when he has nothing to show for it on his resume that matches.

:dead: @ you thinking some 1940's fighters that them old nikkas was handling would fair well with the fighters Tyson knocked out in the 80's/90's. move along with that shyt.
 
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