Lestans according to the stats Luka is better than Bron was his first 100 games

[Professor Emeritus]

You haven't done shyt but contradict the general tilt of what you've typed titangraphs arguing in other threads...no doubt guided by nothing more than the gravitational pull you have towards LeBron's groin... @ "the actual context".... As if you ain't just looking at stats and trying to retrofit them to some predetermined narrative you already had

If you just want to talk stupid, that's on you. Anyone who knows the slightest about basketball in each of those eras can evaluate my statements for accuracy, because I'm actually making concrete statements.

People claiming Pippen automatically would have scored 25% more points just because the pace is 5% faster were being ignorant as fukk and couldn't even do the basic math right, before you even get into the reduced talent of the expansion era or the way defenses have changed.

Strange how I'm the one who keeps inserting actual numbers, actual play clips, and actual game trends into the conversation, while the rest of y'all just try to sprinkle magic era dust around and shout "BUT THAT ERA WAS TOUGHER BECAUSE THE OLD HEADS SAY IT WAS" while ignoring actual evidence from those same old heads like Larry Bird literally saying his team didn't bother guarding threes and Steve Kerr literally saying he couldn't make it in today's league because players are too athletic. If you don't want to believe that defenders in the 1980s and 1990s rarely challenged jump shots and were generally lost on how to swtich on the pick-and-roll, no matter how many times I show you clips of them not challenging jump shots even in the Finals and looking completely lost even when a team runs the same damn pick-and-roll one play after another, then that's on you.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

Luka on pace for a 30,000/10,000/10,000 career

 

[Professor Emeritus]

True .. actually make LBJ even more impressive ..Luka no slouch but LBJ had to carry a team that would have been back in the lottery years to come

From 2002-2018, the Cavs won the #1 pick in 4 of the 5 seasons that LeBron wasn't playing. In the last 22 years going back to 98-99, Cleveland has played without Bron in 11 seasons and hasn't managed 34 wins in ANY of them. In 6 of those seasons (this year might be the 7th), they couldn't even manage 25 wins.

Crazy shyt is that the '04/'05 squad LeBron played with his 2nd year might legit have been the worst lineup 2-12 that Cleveland had ever had. The other starters were Ira Newble, Drew Gooden, Jeff McInnis, and Z, with Eric Snow, Robert Traylor, Lucious Harris, and Sasha Pavlovic also pulling some starts. And a teenage LeBron a year out of high school still averaged 27-7-7 and went 42-40 with THAT squad.

 

[NYC Rebel]

You want to know how shytty NBA convos are?

three posts into this thread a dude said stans are mad...basically talking to himself when no one said anything of the sort in this thread up to that point.

these NBA discussions are just plain trash. Lots of y’all dudes are just rank and file ass niqqas speaking from camps.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

If you just want to talk stupid, that's on you. Anyone who knows the slightest about basketball in each of those eras can evaluate my statements for accuracy, because I'm actually making concrete statements.

People claiming Pippen automatically would have scored 25% more points just because the pace is 5% faster were being ignorant as fukk, before you even get into the reduced talent of the expansion era or the way defenses have changed.

Strange how I'm the one who keeps inserting actual numbers, actual play clips, and actual game trends into the conversation, while the rest of y'all just try to sprinkle magic era dust around and shout "BUT THAT ERA WAS TOUGHER BECAUSE THE OLD HEADS SAY IT WAS" while ignoring actual evidence from those same old heads like Larry Bird literally saying his team didn't bother guarding threes and Steve Kerr literally saying he couldn't make it in today's league because players are too athletic. If you don't want to believe that defenders in the 1980s and 1990s rarely challenged jump shots and were generally lost on how to swtich on the pick-and-roll, no matter how many times I show you clips of them not challenging jump shots even in the Finals and looking completely lost even when a team runs the same damn pick-and-roll one play after another, then that's on you.

Except no one was talking about "the 80s and the 90s" .. But rather the mid to late 90s when pip was in his prime and includes the years he was a first option and other when he was 20+ as the 2nd option.... the pace then was just as low when lebron entered the league (From '94 - '04 average pace hovered around 90-93, bottoming out at 88 in '98.... compared to now in the hundreds)...the same variables are being discussed in both of these threads, but for some reason you're arguing opposite stances against them lol...why isn't that never before seen defense that would've nullified any statical bump Pip would see in 12 extra possessions per game, hindering Luka from having literally top 3 offensive season in NBA history? Why wouldn't it completely erase the differences for a rookie lebron? Why no mention that Lebron was playing 40 minutes per game (to Luka's 32mpg) as a means to diminish his production ? ​

 

[Fortunate Lee]

Luka on pace for a 30,000/10,000/10,000 career

I want to see that cac put up stats in year 17


Don’t worry, it won’t happen

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

I want to see that cac put up stats in year 17


Don’t worry, it won’t happen

At this pace, he won't need 17 years to surpass bron

 

[Mʀ2ᴋDᴇᴇᴢ]

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

yall love to use stats and analytics to try and say Bron is better than MJ. So I guess Luka is better than bron huh? Because the rule changes havent caused stats to be inflated right? and this era is way better than MJ era when he was playing against plumbers right?

yall really taking this shyt into 2020 huh?

 

[VegetasHairline]

You want to know how shytty NBA convos are?

three posts into this thread a dude said stans are mad...basically talking to himself when no one said anything of the sort in this thread up to that point.

these NBA discussions are just plain trash. Lots of y’all dudes are just rank and file ass niqqas speaking from camps.

Basketball discussions on here are just stan wars. I don't understand how people can argue the same thing day after day.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Except no one was talking about "the 80s and the 90s" .. But rather the mid to late 90s when pip was in his prime and includes the years he was a first option and other when he was 20+ as the 2nd option.... the pace then was just as low when lebron entered the league (From '94 - '04 average pace hovered around 90-93, bottoming out at 88 in '98.... compared to now in the hundreds)...the same variables are being discussed in both of these threads, but for some reason you're arguing opposite stances against them lol...why isn't that never before seen defense that would've nullified any statical bump Pip would see in 12 extra possessions per game, hindering Luka from having literally top 3 offensive season in NBA history? Why wouldn't it completely erase the differences for a rookie lebron? Why no mention that Lebron was playing 40 minutes per game as a means to diminish his production ? ​

The EXACT year that Pippen was a #1 option averaging 22ppg was '93/'94 and the pace that year was 95.1. In fact, that pace of 1994 is slightly CLOSER to 2019's pace of 100 than it is to 2004's pace of 90.1. That how backwards y'all have this shyt.

The pace never hit 95 again until 2016. Yes, the pace is 100 now. But 100 is only about 5% more than 95. You know what adding 5% more to 22ppg gives you? It gives you....wait for it....23.4ppg. Claiming that Pippen would have an automatic 27-28ppg give because the pace is 5% higher was just stupid. People who claimed that don't know shyt about basic math.

And yes, the pace was slower in 1996-98, but Pippen only averaged 19-20ppg those years and that's even with the 3pt line moved in (he shot 37% from three those three years even though he was a 31% shooter the rest of his career). So you still have no justification for jumping all the way up to 27-28ppg. That would be damn near 33% more scoring than he was actually producing.

And that's before you even get into the other points we were making, like the talent dilution due to SIX new expansion teams being added or the fact that teams weren't even regularly challenging jump shots yet and usually didn't guard the three at all. But y'all keep wanting to ignore context every time.

I definitely agree that the heavier minutes played before this era can have an effect too. LeBron played half his career in the high-minutes era and half in the lower-minutes era, and his numbers reflect that.

 

[SAINT]

I don’t watch basketball and get my information from reddit and basketball reference. Luka is definitely the greatest, most dominant player we’ve ever seen

 

[killacal]

@Rhakim will argue the sky is red today and blue tomorrow for bron

The definition of a good bottom bytch

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim will argue the sky is red today and blue tomorrow for bron

The definition of a good bottom bytch

Seeing that killacal mentioned you is the most annoying shyt, you just know it's gonna be some dumb irrelevant shyt that has nothing to do with basketball and likely as not he's gonna work his erotic fantasies into the comment as well. Why do people like you even troll on basketball boards if you'd rather talk about men on the internet instead?

I just realized that means there's absolutely no reason to not have you on ignore. Goodbye.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

The EXACT year that Pippen was a #1 option averaging 22ppg was '93/'94 and the pace that year was 95.1. In fact, that pace of 1994 is slightly CLOSER to 2019's pace of 100 than it is to 2004's pace of 90.1. That how backwards y'all have this shyt.

The pace never hit 95 again until 2016. Yes, the pace is 100 now. But 100 is only about 5% more than 95. You know what adding 5% more to 22ppg gives you? It gives you....wait for it....23.4ppg. Claiming that Pippen would have an automatic 27-28ppg give because the pace is 5% higher was just stupid. People who claimed that don't know shyt about basic math.

And yes, the pace was slower in 1996-98, but Pippen only averaged 19-20ppg those years and that's even with the 3pt line moved in (he shot 37% from three those three years even though he was a 31% shooter the rest of his career). So you still have no justification for jumping all the way up to 27-28ppg. That would be damn near 33% more scoring than he was actually producing.

And that's before you even get into the other points we were making, like the talent dilution due to SIX new expansion teams being added or the fact that teams weren't even regularly challenging jump shots yet and usually didn't guard the three at all. But y'all keep wanting to ignore context every time.

I definitely agree that the heavier minutes played before this era can have an effect too. LeBron played half his career in the high-minutes era and half in the lower-minutes era, and his numbers reflect that.

Except you know full well no one was arguing the bolded, the actual conversation was a direct comparison to pippen and harden (their actual difference in pace was 12 possessions per gsme...Pippen also averaged 21.5 the 2nd year Jordan was out when avg pace was 92)...and that doing a direct correlation to percent changes in pace and ppg, ignoring style of play and officiating (both of which weigh massively towards the offensive output of duo primary initiators/scorers) is stupid, and again wasn't argued by any one in that thread....you ultimately gave up proving that Pip could average 4 extra points a game if given an unlimited green light and extra 12 possessions with math like basketball is SAT math question, and just flat out said he'd see absolutely 0 statistical improvement because the defense now is so much better...your narratives and delineations between eras not consistent homie