LeBron’s peers don’t respect him

[Art Barr]

nikka, you are talking about MJ's entire run when I am JUST talking about MJ playing point guard in 1989. Try to keep up.

That's the problem with y'all, y'all keep conflating different eras and iterations of MJ when it's convenient.

No.

@FunkDoc1112

I am talking about mj playing pg exclusively. As I am the poster who made this community aware of mj at point a quarter century ago. Again stop rhe cap.

You trying to nit pick and getting countered. Now trying to act like we not on the same subject. When we are.

I posted exactly about mj at point.

Again like I said. Mj has a record for seven straight triple doubles. While lebron set the record for seven straight missed triple doubles.
This is exclusive from mj runs the pg era

When lebron was drafted to be a pg.

Again..mj is better than lebron at everything. Including being rhe best pg in nba history as well.

So stop the falsely created narrative based cap.


How dare you try to act like we not speaking on the same time frame. When I am rhe guy who brought mj as point to this community first.


Stop the cap.

For :

Le ' Elgin baylor 2.o


Art Barr

 

[FunkDoc1112]

No.

I am talking about mj playing pg exclusively. As I am at poster who made this community aware of mj at point a quarter century ago. Again stop rhe cap.

You trying to nit pick and getting countered. Now trying to act like we not on rhe same subject. When we are.

I posted exactly about mj at point.

Again like I said. Mj has a record for seven straight triple doubles. While lebron set the record for seven straight missed triple doubles.

When lebron was drafted to be a pg.

Again..mj is better than lebron at everything. Including being rhe best pg in nba history as well.

So stop the falsely created narrative based cap.


How dare you try to act like we not speaking I n the same time frame. When I am rhe guy who brought mj as point to this community first.


Stop the cap.

For :

Le ' Elgin baylor 2.o


Art Barr

MJ had 7 straight triple doubles and lost 7 out of 13 games where he was playing at PG, and Phil Jackson specifically designed the triangle so that MJ WOULDN'T be the main playmaker because he was too shoot-first, consistently missed better opportunities for teammates, and had bad passing fundamentals. The Bulls succeeded when PIPPEN became the playmaker and MJ became a secondary ballhandler and focused on scoring. Jordan is obviously better at scoring than LeBron, but LeBron is on a different tier from MJ as a playmaker and has the results to back it up. Y'all can yell "COUNT THE RINGS" all you want but the fact is, MJ can't run an offense like LeBron. That doesn't make him a worse player, that means he's worse at one thing. I assure you, you will be okay.

WHo gives a fukk about missed triple doubles anyway How is that supposed to be a knock on LeBron LeBron's been running offenses and getting 27-8-8 numbers his whole career but y'all wanna act like MJ is a better playmaker because of one month of PG play where he couldn't even produce a winning record

 

[Art Barr]

MJ had 7 straight triple doubles and lost 7 out of 13 games where he was playing at PG, and Phil Jackson specifically designed the triangle so that MJ WOULDN'T be the main playmaker because he was too shoot-first, consistently missed better opportunities for teammates, and had bad passing fundamentals. The Bulls succeeded when PIPPEN became the playmaker and MJ became a secondary ballhandler and focused on scoring. Jordan is obviously better at scoring than LeBron, but LeBron is on a different tier from MJ as a playmaker and has the results to back it up. Y'all can yell "COUNT THE RINGS" all you want but the fact is, MJ can't run an offense like LeBron. That doesn't make him a worse player, that means he's worse at one thing. I assure you, you will be okay.

Stop my nikka.
Pip was not even actualized at the time at all. Neither was Horace. You trying to conflate the storyline. To deflect away from lebron shirking his natural. Which cost him leadership experiences. That ultimately ruined two four peats. No three peat and no second back to back titles.
Then trying to use scoring as never being a qualified metric. Then will bring up lebron being the all time scoring leader.
When again mj is factually better than lebron at his natural and as a ball player in every facet. Stop the you never dug in the crate to see Elgin baylor cap.


Art Barr

 

[Kaypain]

What a stupid take. He spoke on what he didn't watch, but then said he can't speak on what he didn't watch. Straight simpleton

nikka shad up

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Stop my nikka.
Pip was not even actualized at the time at all. Neither was Horace. You trying to conflate the storyline. To deflect away from lebron shirking his natural. Which cost him leadership experiences. That ultimately ruined two four peats. No three peat and no second back to back titles.
Then trying to use scoring as never being a qualified metric. Then will bring up lebron being the all time scoring leader.
When again mj is factually better than lebron at his natural and as a ball player in every facet. Stop the you never dug in the crate to see Elgin baylor cap.


Art Barr

nikka we are having two different conversations. Answer my question: did Michael Jordan succeed as a scorer, or as a playmaker? He won his six titles being his team's primary scorer and secondary ballhandler, and when he tried a month of Bron ball, he was sub-.500. The argument you old crusty fukks makde was that MJ's is better at LeBron's style than LeBron, when the only proof was a month where he lost more than he won and a season that was literally on par with multiple LeBron seasons in terms of stats. LeBron has won 4 titles playing his style of basketball while MJ went 6-7 playing the same wya. That's all. Y'all act like that nikka was God.

I literally have MJ ranked above LeBron for some of LeBron's blunders. But we're not talking about them as overall players. We're talking about them as playmakers.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Me: MJ's not as a good of a playmaker as LeBron. When he tried playing PG, he stuffed the statsheet but didn't win games.
Y'all: BUT MJ HAS SIX RINGS

Children

 

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I said nothing about Bron being better at MJ, you damn dullards - I said Bron was better at a specific thing than MJ, which is empiracly obvious. But y'all can't comprehend the idea of MJ being flawed at anything so when I bring up the very obvious gap in playmaking you bring up MJ having a triple double streak that actually yielded a losing record. Literally using the exact argument y'all use against LeBron, clinging to stats and ignoring results.

I'm just keeping y'all crusty old heads honest. When MJ was tasked with being a playmaker, he put up stats but few wins, while LeBron did in similar circumstances. That's all I'm saying lmao.

You are confusing playmaking with Bron ball. LeBron doesn’t make his teammates better it’s actually the opposite, they are there to make him look better so when he leaves they look like trash trying to play Bron ball without him.

 

[fifth column]

Yeah we don’t care about Jordan like that anymore nikka. He retired 20 years ago. Move on

We will once a new legitimate goat candidate surpasses Mike.

 

[fifth column]

nikka we are having two different conversations. Answer my question: did Michael Jordan succeed as a scorer, or as a playmaker? He won his six titles being his team's primary scorer and secondary ballhandler, and when he tried a month of Bron ball, he was sub-.500. The argument you old crusty fukks makde was that MJ's is better at LeBron's style than LeBron, when the only proof was a month where he lost more than he won and a season that was literally on par with multiple LeBron seasons in terms of stats. LeBron has won 4 titles playing his style of basketball while MJ went 6-7 playing the same wya. That's all. Y'all act like that nikka was God.

I literally have MJ ranked above LeBron for some of LeBron's blunders. But we're not talking about them as overall players. We're talking about them as playmakers.

So the 1991 finals didn’t happen

 

[fifth column]

Me: MJ's not as a good of a playmaker as LeBron. When he tried playing PG, he stuffed the statsheet but didn't win games.
Y'all: BUT MJ HAS SIX RINGS

Children

Is James Harden or Russell Westbrook better playmakers than LeBron?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Is James Harden or Russell Westbrook better playmakers than LeBron?

Westbrook, no, Harden is worth discussing but his decision making and game management can get murky

Harden is damn shole a better playmaker than MJ though

 

[Miggs]

Me: MJ's not as a good of a playmaker as LeBron. When he tried playing PG, he stuffed the statsheet but didn't win games.
Y'all: BUT MJ HAS SIX RINGS

Children

I would argue Lebron being an elite playmaker works against him in legacy discussions....The narrartive hes too willing to pass then look for his offense and be the scoring champion every year...MJ is an alpha dog he wanted to take the shots not defer he won 9 scoring titles...MJ should be a playmaker and defer to Steve Kerr and Randy Brown? Ive heard this argument many times.

 

[fifth column]

Westbrook, no, Harden is worth discussing but his decision making and game management can get murky

Harden is damn shole a better playmaker than MJ though

Westbrook averaged a triple double for a whole season 4 times on winning teams so he must be a better playmaker than LeBron according to your logic.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Westbrook averaged a triple double for a whole season 4 times on winning teams so he must be a better playmaker than LeBron according to your logic.

Westbrook on his own is on the same tier as MJ in regards to that; his scoring was a bigger asset than his passing and his decision making is suspect. You're reducing this to way more simplistic arguments though...and even in the most simplistic measures you still aren't making a point because solo Westbrook was only a 7th seed playing that style while Bron in his prime was winning 60 games with roleplayers

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Its a lazy comparison to compare Bron to Magic since its based on them being 6'8/6'9 with PG skills. But nobody had to suppress their games to fit Magic while Dwyane Wade, Bosh, And K Love all had to suppress or change their games to fit Bron.

The only argument for Bron being better than MJ is the lazy analysis that only looks at numbers that says he averaged more assists/rebounds thus he's better at both.

When MJ played in a Bron Ball like system he put up 35 8 and 8 and got MVP/DPOY.. How can Lebron compare to that? And Kobe is the better comparison because, again, players didn't have to suppress their game to play with him like they did with Lebron...

I already said Kobe is the natural successor to MJ, so we agree.

Magic is about the only player you can compare to Bron since we've never seen someone that size with his play-style. Most guys his size are much slower/plodders (Luka) while the smaller guys simply aren't as strong.

Bron vs MJ is a comparison ONLY because they're so different. Kobe played almost exactly like MJ but wasn't as good....Bron wasn't as successful as MJ and I think MJ >> Bron....but I also think if you're starting a team from scratch, Bron might be the better #1 pick. More of a floor raiser than MJ.