LeBron’s peers don’t respect him

[Trojan 24]

Mike let Larry Hughes and Ty Lue do that on the Wizards

Key word was Cac, JJ wa a Trojan Horse all along. He's making basketball great again

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Le-xcuses

I see you have no adequate response for anything I said

 

[Everythingg]

Bosh and Love had to change their games because they were playing with TWO superstars, and Wade had to change his game because 1) his knees and 2) he and LeBron are literally the exact same player with damn near the exact same strengths and weaknesses, which made their presence redundant. But LeBron's a little better at most of their shared strenghts and is more durable, therefore it made more sense to make him the primary ballhandler while Wade, a more natural scorer, became more of an off-ball player and a secondary ballhandler instead of the "Your turn/my turn" shyt they were doing in year 1. Hierarchy matters.

Yet James Worthy got to be James Worthy even when playing with 2 superstars in Magic and Kareem? When it comes to Kobe, Pau still got to be Pau, Lamar Odom still got to be Lamar Odom, and Bynum got Bynum. Nobody got moved out their comfort zone to fit in with Kobe..Maybe Lebron is unable or unwilling to adjust his game?

Also the 35/8/8 MVP point...you're literally combining two different seasons He averaged 35/6 in his MVP year and 32/8/8 the next season with no MVP...and people bring up the triple double streak, but don't mention the Bulls went sub-.500 during that stretch. Just because MJ was racking up the numbers doesn't mean he was running the offense well. LeBron had a similar stretch in 2010 where Mo WIlliams was hurt and he had to become a full on point guard...the result was LeBron averaging 32/7/11 while the injury riddled Cavs went 11-1 and performed even better in that stretch than they did with Mo in the lineup

I mixed up the exact numbers but the point was that when MJ played the style Lebron likes to play, he had better numbers than him. And that's with Jordan playing teammates (pre Phil/Pipp) that were worse than the teammates Lebron had his first go around in Cleveland.

You decided to bring stats in the conversation but anybody who watches both guys can tell you Bron is just plain better at running offenses than MJ. If MJ could do what Bron does just as well, the Bulls wouldn't have lost 7 of his 13 games as point guard

MJ played SG not PG/Point forward so the "he's better at running the offence than MJ" is irrelevant(and not necessarily factual). Its like holding Magic being better at running an offence over KD or Bird when that's not the role Bird/KD were put in position to play. Difference is that when MJ played that style his numbers were just as good/better than Bron's

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Yet James Worthy got to be James Worthy even when playing with 2 superstars in Magic and Kareem? When it comes to Kobe, Pau still got to be Pau, Lamar Odom still got to be Lamar Odom, and Bynum got Bynum. Nobody got moved out their comfort zone to fit in with Kobe..Maybe Lebron is unable or unwilling to adjust his game?

1) James Worthy played with Magic and Kareem from the very start of his pro career and by the time he didn't he was washed. His ceiling was a 21 PPG guy. I don't know why you even brought him up

Bosh went from a 22 PPG guy in Toronto to a 18 PPG guy in Miami playing with two 25 PPG scorers. Bosh is on the same tier as a Pau Gasol and went from having a team centered entirely around him to being the #3 guy. Stop comparing apples to oranges. And Bosh HIMSELF said that he was the one who decided to start shooting threes and even had to tell LeBron to start looking for him behind the arc. It's almost like guys take a look at the roster they have around them and decide where they fit.

I mixed up the exact numbers but the point was that when MJ played the style Lebron likes to play, he had better numbers than him. And that's with Jordan playing teammates (pre Phil/Pipp) that were worse than the teammates Lebron had his first go around in Cleveland.

The Cavs reupped most of the supporting cast from 2009-10 the next season and proceeded to go 8-32 without Bron BEFORE the injuries fukked them up. That supporting cast was roleplayers and a couple of good defenders just like what MJ was working with, but Bron was a better defender than MJ was in 89 (I alreayd know you're about to bring up steals and blocks and sact like that's the only facet of defense that matter ) and better at elevating his teammates, which was he was more successful at that style of play than MJ. Bron averaged 30-7-8.6 on a team that was 6 possessions slower than the 89 Bulls; do you really think MJ's 89 numbers are actually more impressive? Because per 100 possessions:

In case you don't read numbers that well, what these stats are showing is 2009-10 Bron on a team as fast at the 89 Bulls would've put up 32.5-8-9.3...or even better than MJ on the same efficiency at that

 

[34TheTruth]

Jordan stans: How can you say that about a player you didn't even watch?

Also Jordan stans: Wilt Chamberlain can't possibly be in the conversation for the best player ever.

Lebron stans:

 

[Remote]

Lebron stans:

You're intellectually inferior.
Please don't quote me again

 

[fifth column]

1) James Worthy played with Magic and Kareem from the very start of his pro career and by the time he didn't he was washed. His ceiling was a 21 PPG guy. I don't know why you even brought him up

Bosh went from a 22 PPG guy in Toronto to a 18 PPG guy in Miami playing with two 25 PPG scorers. Bosh is on the same tier as a Pau Gasol and went from having a team centered entirely around him to being the #3 guy. Stop comparing apples to oranges. And Bosh HIMSELF said that he was the one who decided to start shooting threes and even had to tell LeBron to start looking for him behind the arc. It's almost like guys take a look at the roster they have around them and decide where they fit.



The Cavs reupped most of the supporting cast from 2009-10 the next season and proceeded to go 8-32 without Bron BEFORE the injuries fukked them up. That supporting cast was roleplayers and a couple of good defenders just like what MJ was working with, but Bron was a better defender than MJ was in 89 (I alreayd know you're about to bring up steals and blocks and sact like that's the only facet of defense that matter ) and better at elevating his teammates, which was he was more successful at that style of play than MJ. Bron averaged 30-7-8.6 on a team that was 6 possessions slower than the 89 Bulls; do you really think MJ's 89 numbers are actually more impressive? Because per 100 possessions:

In case you don't read numbers that well, what these stats are showing is 2009-10 Bron on a team as fast at the 89 Bulls would've put up 32.5-8-9.3...or even better than MJ on the same efficiency at that

enough with the “what ifs” the reality is MJ is better and more impactful at basketball than LeBron.

MJ never lost a championship game or championship series that he played in since college. 1980 Olympic gold with only college players, 1981 NCAA championship, 1992 Olympic Dream Team gold, 1991-1993 3-peat NBA chips, 1996-1998 3-peat NBA chips.

Has LeBron ever led a dynasty, what are we even doing here

 

[FunkDoc1112]

enough with the “what ifs” the reality is MJ is better and more impactful at basketball than LeBron.

MJ never lost a championship game or championship series that he played in since college. 1980 Olympic gold with only college players, 1981 NCAA championship, 1992 Olympic Dream Team gold, 1991-1993 3-peat NBA chips, 1996-1998 3-peat NBA chips.

Has LeBron ever led a dynasty, what are we even doing here

I said nothing about Bron being better at MJ, you damn dullards - I said Bron was better at a specific thing than MJ, which is empiracly obvious. But y'all can't comprehend the idea of MJ being flawed at anything so when I bring up the very obvious gap in playmaking you bring up MJ having a triple double streak that actually yielded a losing record. Literally using the exact argument y'all use against LeBron, clinging to stats and ignoring results.

I'm just keeping y'all crusty old heads honest. When MJ was tasked with being a playmaker, he put up stats but few wins, while LeBron did in similar circumstances. That's all I'm saying lmao.

 

[Art Barr]

Le' Elgin baylor 2.o


For all you goofies who know no history. You taking it back to being okay with losing. When you have all the assets. Yet not able to create cohesion.
or execute to win without fail.
Plus willing to not take over.
when needed and execute.
how it needs to be done to succeed.

Since you goofies do not dig in the crate.
The regression based state.
you goofies live in.
is why you fail.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I said nothing about Bron being better at MJ, you damn dullards - I said Bron was better at a specific thing than MJ, which is empiracly obvious. But y'all can't comprehend the idea of MJ being flawed at anything so when I bring up the very obvious gap in playmaking you bring up MJ having a triple double streak that actually yielded a losing record. Literally using the exact argument y'all use against LeBron, clinging to stats and ignoring results.

I'm just keeping y'all crusty old heads honest. When MJ was tasked with being a playmaker, he put up stats but few wins, while LeBron did in similar circumstances. That's all I'm saying lmao.

Michael jordan is better at lebron natural than lebron too.

Michael jordan set the record for seven straight triple doubles. While lebron fail and set a record for missing seven straight triple doubles.
This is for starters.

Also... lebron if he actually dug in the crate.
To get the missing pedigree he lacks. Would have never lost in the finals.
Yet you nikkaz give a pass to this tragic magic 2.o shyt. While trying to act like the public was happy with tragic magic.

Lebron problem is being the best parochial school basketball player of all time. So that lack of public school drive and need to shore up any lack in play or execution misses lebron. Same level of fail to win in the pros.
that Donovan mcnabb had being from mount Carmel.
Failing to be mentally prepared and then failing. While trying to use pr.
or parochial school favor from journalist.
To cover the shyt up.

Not to mention creating the worst dumbest trade in nba fukkin history. That ruined an attempt to win a second four peat. Fail to even win a three peat. Or second back to back title. While also creating rhe warriors dynasty singlehandidly. That the warriors used the asset from the dumbest trade in nba history to return and win a finals. Just to further illustrate how stoopid.
the dumbest trade in nba history is.



Y'all need to stop with this bullshyt.
Yeah... we get it.
Le elgion baylor 2.o
Tragic magic 2.0

That is not the goat.

The goat is Michael Jeffrey jordan.


Stop the cap and all the bullshyt.

Stop the deflection.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Bosh and Love had to change their games because they were playing with TWO superstars, and Wade had to change his game because 1) his knees and 2) he and LeBron are literally the exact same player with damn near the exact same strengths and weaknesses, which made their presence redundant. But LeBron's a little better at most of their shared strenghts and is more durable, therefore it made more sense to make him the primary ballhandler while Wade, a more natural scorer, became more of an off-ball player and a secondary ballhandler instead of the "Your turn/my turn" shyt they were doing in year 1. Hierarchy matters.

Also the 35/8/8 MVP point...you're literally combining two different seasons He averaged 35/6 in his MVP year and 32/8/8 the next season with no MVP...and people bring up the triple double streak, but don't mention the Bulls went sub-.500 during that stretch. Just because MJ was racking up the numbers doesn't mean he was running the offense well. LeBron had a similar stretch in 2010 where Mo WIlliams was hurt and he had to become a full on point guard...the result was LeBron averaging 32/7/11 while the injury riddled Cavs went 11-1 and performed even better in that stretch than they did with Mo in the lineup

You decided to bring stats in the conversation but anybody who watches both guys can tell you Bron is just plain better at running offenses than MJ. If MJ could do what Bron does just as well, the Bulls wouldn't have lost 7 of his 13 games as point guard

This is false equivalence.

As lebron had a better players in roster.

Pippen became pippen from jordan running the point.
Grant became grant from mj at point.
Mj had no help like lebron had at all.
Plus mike won with that team and did not say fukk them and leave.
As well as Mike never pulled up lame as the favorite.
plus never had a lull between finals trips.
like lebron from Cleveland to Miami.

You know the finals trips you stans like to ignore. Once facts and timeline about stats kill you in this discussion.


Stop the cap.





Art Barr

 

[duncanthetall]

Yeah we don’t care about Jordan like that anymore nikka. He retired 20 years ago. Move on

 

[zayk35]

I see why I mostly stay outta these debates. Ppl need to understand that an MJ guy is an MJ guy and ain't nothing gonna change that. Also a LeBron guy is a LeBron guy. There’s guys who were 10 when LeBron came in and now those guys are over 30 and LeBron is still here playing at a very high level. I turned 30 16 yrs ago when LeBron was entering his prime and still nothing he's done will put him over MJ in my eyes. They can roll out all the new stats they want to but I've never seen a better basketball player than MJ.

 

[Shadow King]

Bron is like a more athletic Magic/Malone or even Magic/Kemp hybrid than anything resembling MJ. Kobe is MJ's successor. Bron is Magic's successor.

MJ vs Bron is like comparing Dirk to Jokic. Both big white dudes with MVP + ring, but they weren't asked to do the same shyt and have different skill sets.

I'll say this though - no one would ever say Kobe >> Jordan.....but you can at least have an argument for Bron vs MJ.

It's about ability/how high can they take you, not play style.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

This is false equivalence.

As lebron had a better players in roster.

Pippen became pippen from jordan running the point.
Grant became grant from mj at point.
Mj had no help like lebron had at all.
Plus mike won with that team and did not say fukk them and leave.
As well as Mike never pulled up lame as the favorite.
plus never had a lull between finals trips.
like lebron from Cleveland to Miami.

You know the finals trips you stans like to ignore. Once facts and timeline about stats kill you in this discussion.


Stop the cap.





Art Barr

nikka, you are talking about MJ's entire run when I am JUST talking about MJ playing point guard in 1989. Try to keep up.

That's the problem with y'all, y'all keep conflating different eras and iterations of MJ when it's convenient.