"LeBron James has ruined the NBA. He is the anti-jordan" - RobParker

[FunkDoc1112]

Past their prime and All acquired realistically

Bron wade and bosh all took less than the max to stack a team that would win "not 5 not 6 not 7 rings"

So it's okay when the organization does it, but not the players doing it with their own power and taking less money in the name of winning? What kinda fukkshyt is that? That's a Cac take.

 

[Houston911]

So it's okay when the organization does it, but not the players doing it with their own power and taking less money in the name of winning? What kinda fukkshyt is that? That's a Cac take.

If anyone sounds like a "cac" it's you

Why would a black man who is already underpaid take less money than he's allowed so he can win a ring?



Are you so stupid that you don't understand the difference between what the Celtics did vs 3 top 15 players who should be making the max taking paycuts to stack their squad as much as possible?

 

[Houston911]

I thought Durant would still be there if they hadn't blown a 3-1 lead.

Even If the thunder won that series....

Okc was capped out

Golden state had a 1 year window to add a max player

If Durant is going with the "not 5, not 6, not 7" mindstate, then I can see him leaving regardless

What if golden state would have made a play to grab someone else, putting them out of reach of Durant and okc?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

If anyone sounds like a "cac" it's you

Why would a black man who is already underpaid take less money than he's allowed so he can win a ring?



Are you so stupid that you don't understand the difference between what the Celtics did vs 3 top 15 players who should be making the max taking paycuts to stack their squad as much as possible?

The only difference is that the organizations made trades. And even then, KG dictated where he ended up and has repeatedly said he would've done it sooner had he had the chance.

LeBron took a short-term hit to his money that wound up paying off hugely. That's what you call being smart and making investments.

 

[bzb]

that idiot talking head is banking on you casuals who don't know history of the game to agree with that dumb shyt.

kd and bron both on the same journey, but how you get there counts. lebron made his teams contenders. withouth him there was no chance for those teams to win a title.

kd was scared of being "the man". not only did he run away from the challenge, but considering the circumstances, he did something thottish by going to gs.

when and if kd wins a title it will be one of the least meaningful titles by a superstar top tier player the game has seen.

spin it how you want, the similarities are superficial but the differences are glaring.

 

[FlyRy]

Did you just say if LeBron went to any 500 team they'd win rings? LeBron stans are nuts. You're being disingenuous because the 80s and 90s and 2009s had competitive and classic series of every playoffs. LeBron is on squads blowing everyone out but perhaps one team in their conference every year. The Pistons, Celtics, and Lakers all had classic series within their own conferences prior to their classic finals. The Bulls had classics with the Knicks and Pacers and went 7 with Detroit before the year they finally won. The 3 peat Lakers went to 7 with the kings and blazers. And even when the Lakers swept through the West, the east was highly competitive. The Spurs never won back to back and tough series with the Mavs, Lakers, Thunder, Suns, etc. The Lakers that won back to back with Kobe and Gasol even went to 7 with the Rockets and 6 with the Nuggets. And they were pushed by the Thunder, Suns, etc. in 2010. So no, despite all the talent the Celtics and Lakers had when LeBron went to MIA, they were past their prime and not close to invincible as evidenced by how the Lakers went out the next year and how easily the Heat beat Boston. You cannot rewrite history. What LeBron did was unprecedented. And KD followed suit. The only reason people forgot was because Dallas beat Miami and made them look human. If Miami goes 4 for 4 like they should have, people look at LeBron as a frontrunner. Losing enhanced his legacy somehow.

 

[Houston911]

The only difference is that the organizations made trades. And even then, KG dictated where he ended up and has repeatedly said he would've done it sooner had he had the chance.

LeBron took a short-term hit to his money that wound up paying off hugely. That's what you call being smart and making investments.

You just contradicted yourself by saying "Garnett dictated where he went"

Are you telling me that the only way LeBron was capable of winning a ring is to have 2 other top 15 guys on his team?

Would LeBron plus another superstar both taking the salary that they should be makingnot be enough?

Have you ever taken an economics class? Do you not understand the domino effect of superstars taking paycuts?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Did you just say if LeBron went to any 500 team they'd win rings? LeBron stans are nuts. You're being disingenuous because the 80s and 90s and 2009s had competitive and classic series of every playoffs. LeBron is on squads blowing everyone out but perhaps one team in their conference every year. The Pistons, Celtics, and Lakers all had classic series within their own conferences prior to their classic finals. The Bulls had classics with the Knicks and Pacers and went 7 with Detroit before the year they finally won. The 3 peat Lakers went to 7 with the kings and blazers. And even when the Lakers swept through the West, the east was highly competitive. The Spurs never won back to back and tough series with the Mavs, Lakers, Thunder, Suns, etc. The Lakers that won back to back with Kobe and Gasol even went to 7 with the Rockets and 6 with the Nuggets. And they were pushed by the Thunder, Suns, etc. in 2010. So no, despite all the talent the Celtics and Lakers had when LeBron went to MIA, they were past their prime and not close to invincible as evidenced by how the Lakers went out the next year and how easily the Heat beat Boston. You cannot rewrite history. What LeBron did was unprecedented. And KD followed suit. The only reason people forgot was because Dallas beat Miami and made them look human. If Miami goes 4 for 4 like they should have, people look at LeBron as a frontrunner. Losing enhanced his legacy somehow.

Are we just going to pretend that the Heat didn't play multiple Game 7's or something?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

You just contradicted yourself by saying "Garnett dictated where he went"

Are you telling me that the only way LeBron was capable of winning a ring is to have 2 other top 15 guys on his team?

Would LeBron plus another superstar both taking the salary that they should be makingnot be enough?

Have you ever taken an economics class? Do you not understand the domino effect of superstars taking paycuts?

I mentioned Garnett dictating where he went just to show how ridiculous it was to overvalue an organization putting together superteams when in reality the players have always had more involvement than you're willing to admit. shyt that same year Kobe was telling fans to buy a Bulls jersey but hit the once he saw they were gonna give up too much to trade for him.

You keep talking hypotheticals, but the fact remains that Lebron took a paycut and got back to back titles out of it, enhanced his legacy and opened things up to make even more money than ever, while you're on a message board crying about it.

 

[Houston911]

I mentioned Garnett dictating where he went just to show how ridiculous it was to overvalue an organization putting together superteams when in reality the players have always had more involvement than you're willing to admit. shyt that same year Kobe was telling fans to buy a Bulls jersey but hit the once he saw they were gonna give up too much to trade for him.

You keep talking hypotheticals, but the fact remains that Lebron took a paycut and got back to back titles out of it, enhanced his legacy and opened things up to make even more money than ever, while you're on a message board crying about it.

Are you really this stupid?

Lebron took a paycut and got 2 titles out of it.....well yeah, him and wade and bosh taking paycut s allowed them to have the most talented team in the league

In order for someone else to match that talent, you'd need more superstars taking paycuts

Is that what your stupid ass wants?

You don't remember all those articles talkin bout "Carmelo needs to do like lebron and take a paycut if he wants to win"

You're an idiot

 

[CarltonJunior]

Lots of people argue that pippen was able to develop into the player he was by learning from Mike

If they don't trade for pippen then I'm not sure how they grab another top talent

They would have had better picks for sure

Pippen said this himself actually. I want to say it was in a documentary.

 

[Houston911]

that idiot talking head is banking on you casuals who don't know history of the game to agree with that dumb shyt.

kd and bron both on the same journey, but how you get there counts. lebron made his teams contenders. withouth him there was no chance for those teams to win a title.

kd was scared of being "the man". not only did he run away from the challenge, but considering the circumstances, he did something thottish by going to gs.

when and if kd wins a title it will be one of the least meaningful titles by a superstar top tier player the game has seen.

spin it how you want, the similarities are superficial but the differences are glaring.

Durant shyt was Cornier, but at the end of the day Lebron and Durant both took the easiest possible path to a title

Lebron did it by getting together with 2 other superstars and taking paycuts as a unit

Durant did it by joining a team that had been to 2 straight finals

It's silly to assume that lebron wouldn't have gone the Durant route if he could have. Lebron was the best player in the league and he took less than a max deal cuz he wanted the best team possible

Just last year lebron said he would take a paycut again to play with melo wade and Chris paul

Durant did what he had to do

 

[McPiff]

Kobe is that guy but you kobe stans need to chill out. This shyt aint healthy at all

You nikkas are all up in this thread on some shyt

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Are you really this stupid?

Lebron took a paycut and got 2 titles out of it.....well yeah, him and wade and bosh taking paycut s allowed them to have the most talented team in the league

In order for someone else to match that talent, you'd need more superstars taking paycuts

Is that what your stupid ass wants?

You don't remember all those articles talkin bout "Carmelo needs to do like lebron and take a paycut if he wants to win"

You're an idiot

I dont "want" anything but players doing whatever the hell they see fit, whether it's taking less money to stack a team and win or taking max money to stand pat or go to a more balanced teams. I'm not their manager, it makes no difference to me what they do with their money. But I'm about players doing whatever they want and not giving a fukk what some talking heads and internet pundits have to say baout it.

 

[Woodrow]

how well did that work for jordan after he improved the wizards' profit margins? abe polian sure was grateful.

look at all the overspending that broke out league-wide as soon as the cap increased. when those contracts shoehorn teams with shytty rosters down the road, we gonna blame lebron for that too?

should nets fans blame lebron for billy king, who proved he didnt have a fukking clue in philly and then somehow managed to be even worse at his job in brooklyn?

doc rivers. president of basketball operations, los angeles clippers. that worked out really well.

david kahn.

rob hennigan.

vlade divac.

props to ernie grunfeld for drafting jan vesley for the wiz ahead of klay thompson AND kawhi leonard. neither of those players would have helped them deal with lebron.



i love basketball. but i dont give a fukk about the imaginary sanctity of these institutions. in an era when the same NFL owner who stood tall for a domestic abuser tries to make a case for colin kaepernick to be unemployed, i applaud lebron for using his leverage to play the game on his terms, not theirs. it's not his job to ensure parity. it's the job of the commissioner, the league, and the idiots in the front offices. he dont owe me, or the game, a fukking thing.