EVEN?
No wonder you think Peyton is as good as Brady.
Yall over value MVPs too much
At what point did I ever base how I view anybody on their MVPs? The MVPs can be used to support an argument, but I've never set the premise of how I view someone based upon the
premise of the trophies they have...
If I did though, that wouldn't be any different than, the scores of people who rank how they view guys based on ring count. Which, I Don't do that either----->hence why I said Lamar is right there with Mahomes, if he gets this championship...
Lamar, thru two consecutive regular seasons, has been a better player, than the best QB of this era. Lamar, in every season he's been healthy and starting throughout, has firmly been arguably the best player in football. The crazy thing about this is there are people who look at '16 Steph and say that drew him even to LeBron, or that the KD years drew him even to LeBron, or that winning post-KD drew him even to LeBron, and in the latter two narratives there is a large onus placed on him tying LeBron's ring count (tied him at 3 in '18; tied him at 4 in '22)...
There's also heavy emphasis on him supposedly dominating "LeBron's era" although he isn't +1 in any category of relevance over LeBron. But me saying Lamar draws even with Mahomes, not even "ahead", is a stretch too far?
My perception is simply, the best version if Lamar I've seen so far, matches the best versions of Mahomes I saw in the regular season. For Lamar to win a ring in this hypothetical, he's gonna have to play at peak levels and quite possibly go thru Mahomes. Which is why the thread is titled, "a ring away", because while he's closed the gap, he can't draw even to Mahomes with no championship run...
On the Manning thing, it aint about the MVPs. He's the best quarterback I ever saw in regular season football, when he had it going it was just different from everybody else. Brady came on par with him, and surpassed him, later in their careers, but he was a superior player to Brady for many years...
Brady was drafted in '00, became a starter in '01. The championships and the Pats dominating Manning's Colts made it an annual conversation beginning around '04, but he wasn't really close to Manning's dominance of the position until '07. Which was Y8....
Then he missed the entire following season, then was rocky coming back the next year, we're a decade into Brady's career now ('09)...
Brady was awesome in '10 but when Manning missed '11 with the neck injury, there still wasn't a definitive feel that he'd caught Manning in terms of straight mastery and dominance of the position......Brady's postseason runs over the mid-2010s are what catapulted him, kickstarted by his comeback vs the greatest defense ever in the Super Bowl, the same defense that completely beat Manning's shyt in a year earlier...
Brady is a greater QB than Manning, All-Time. 2010s Brady ascended to a degree of domination that 2000s Brady didn't have, and it's a degree of dominance on par with Manning's. But it wasn't that way for a long time and Manning deserves his flowers for that!
Aint got shyt to do with no MVPs
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Lamar is about to have 3 MVP's, pleaae stop with this nauseating narrative that he is persona non grata. He has more MVP's than Montana, Marino, Brees, Staubach, and about to equal Favre, Brady and Unitad. Come on now.....
Bruh almost all MVPs are debatable. There are 1-2 each decade that feel undisputed, if that many. Other than that, they are all debated...
And because they are are disputed, Lamar earned his wins. Anybody could argue for someone else deserving it in '19, '23, or '24. I hate when you shyt on Manning's MVPs
like dog how many MVPs are undisputed? There are very few '07 Brady MVPs...
I agree with you that Lamar isn't really a victim, though!
And the narrative that Mahomes hasn't had great defenses, thanks for exposing the lie. He's almost always had the benefit of an elite, Top 10 defense...
Not true, at all. Mahomes has only had one bad defense(2018). KC scoring defense ranks
2019-7th
2020-10th
2021-8th
2022-16th
2023-2nd
2024-4th(they were 2nd going into the last game which they used to rest. Its a bs narrative that Mahomes has been plagued by bad defenses. He had a bad defense with Bob Sutton in 2018. None of Spags defenses are close to bad. They were good to great to dominant. With one avg year(2022), which was a retooling year on that side, due to the Tyreek trade
