O.T.I.S.
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So Pelinka did or did not say that he lied about his own story with kobe....
That makes sense
Kobe Bryant Says He Wouldnt Comeback With 100% Shot At Ring "No, I Like My Rings The Hard Way"
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That makes sense
YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy
Superstar
I have no clue what your problem is.So Pelinka did or did not say that he lied about his own story with kobe....
That makes sense
It's completely made up. Kobe never even met Heath Ledger. That fool was DEAD before Batman even came out. It's just another bullshyt Stan story made up after the fact, and an obvious one. Kobe probably just read an article about Ledger online or some shyt and it got turned into this whole fable.
He's got issues with everyone.
YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy
Superstar
Apparently.
Illin Degenerate
All Star
benign comment, he was old and broken down when he retired and hes now 41. it obviously wouldnt mean as much to go from an all star or mvp caliber player winning titles in your prime to getting a ring with a tiny role. the same way if lebron retired and then came back in 5 years or so and won a title as a cheerleader on a team led by kuzma, giannis, anthony davis, and bronny.
Torrential
LWO
Thread filled with emotion . The truth hurts y’all rings are cheap 
Accept it
Accept it
SadimirPutin
Superstar
I dont knock Kobe for this
Once NBA players retire they become delusional and revisionist and he is no different
Once NBA players retire they become delusional and revisionist and he is no different
Supercoolmayo
Superstar
How hard are we talking
2000 NBA Finals
Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games
2001 NBA Finals
Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games
2002 NBA Finals (WEAK NETS TEAM)
Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games
2010 Finals
KOBE- 28.6ppg, 8 RPG, 3.8 APG 66/163 40%-----7 games
Its crazy how kobe fans hype this man as top 5, Donald Trump his way up there
As far as I'm concerned, all y'all muh'fukkas in this thread are as bad as one another.
Controversy
Superstar
he rode shaq hard af
while Shaq was stinking it up against the real comp, you know SA, Portland & Sac
Did you watch those games back then or are you following a narrative? The West was treacherous back then & Kobe proved he was elite even as a young pup time & time again.
Shaq has never won anything without a dominant G. On the other hand....
Bullshyt. Y'all revisionist as fukk liars.
Portland 2000 WCF
Shaq: 26 - 12 - 4 and 2 blocks/game on 54% shooting
Kobe: 20 - 5 - 6 and 1.5 steals/game on 44% shooting
Sacramento 2002 WCF
Shaq: 30 - 14 - 2 and 2 blocks/game on 53% shooting
Kobe: 27 - 6 - 4 and 1 steal/game on 42% shooting
So Shaq was stinking it up in those series? Really? Those were the two closest series the threepeat Lakers played in the West and Shaq DOMINATED while Kobe trailed behind as a shooting in the fukking low 40s.
Deranged Kobestans try to put up the 2001 Spurs as a "real test" but that's a bunch of bullshyt. Duncan had an absolute shyt team that year - DRob was over the hill at 35yo and was only useful as a body to keep Shaq off the basket, TP/Ginobli/Bowen weren't even on the team yet. and Pop was forced to put up Antonio Daniels as the team's #2 scorer. The other starters were 38yo Terry Porter (6ppg on 35% shooting in the series) and 35yo Danny Ferry (4ppg on 33% shooting in the series). Duncan balled out but the rest of the team was worthless and they lost in four straight blowouts.
Win in a sweep by a combined 90 points, one of the easiest series of the threepeat, to a team that had only two playoff series wins total from 2000-2002, and call that the "true test" solely because Kobe put up big scoring numbers against awful defenders.
Shaq was far better than Kobe in EVERY Finals and EVERY close series of the threepeat. Y'all have to straight lie to claim any different.
More bullshyt lies. Pau was repeat All-NBA, a top-3 two-way big, and was least as dominant in 2009 and 2010 as Kobe was in 2000. In the 2009 Finals Pau outplayed the best player on the other team (Dwight Howard) on both ends of the floor. In the 2010 Finals Pau outplayed the best player on the other team (Kevin Garnett) on both ends of the floor.
While in the 2000 Finals, Kobe got absolutely embarrassed by Reggie MIller and Jalen Rose both, and the Lakers STILL won because Shaq was so dominant. Hell, they won Game 2 with Kobe doing damn near nothing (shooting 1-3), won games 1 and 6 with him playing mediocre at best (shooting 6-13 and 10-28), and won game 4 despite him getting lit up by Reggie (35 points on 19 shots compared to 28 points on 27 shots).
If Pau had gotten outplayed by Dwight or Garnett as badly as Kobe got outplayed by Reggie, Lakers would have lost in 2009 and 2010 both.
Kobe needed Pau in 2009 and 2010 more than Shaq needed Kobe in 2000, and you gotta be blinded by standom to believe otherwise. Without a dominant All-NBA big to neutralize the other team's big, Kobe would have gone down to those teams just like LeBron did and for the same reason.
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murksiderock
Superstar
Both stanbases really making it seem like one is worst than the other when both are fukking horrible and if either of them read these threads they’d get restraining orders. Also who are the Lebron stans in here? I haven’t seen anyone mention Lebron except for Kobe stans
It's always Klub Kobe bringing up LeBron, g. Always, just play the cut and pay attention going forward. Always Klub Kobe...
Say that!
This is too true though, especially for the stars they always sensitive as fukk about their legacies.
Controversy
Superstar
stop the bullsh*t lying ass nikka
has Pau ever made an all-def team? Nikka was an all star reserve
he was a top 30 player, sure. Was never close to being a top 10 player
back to Shaq, the same Shaq who didn't defend any elite post players even when our PF's were getting killed??? Never defended Webber, Sheed, and the one time he defended Timmy in 03, he got fkn KILLED.
So let's go to the Portland series in 2000...Shaq had a combined 35 pts in games 6 & 7
I actually lived through it. Kobe snapped on Pippen to close out that series. Ended G7 with 25-11-7 with 4 blks
the signature play of Shaq's career is Kobe crossing Pippen, driving through lane & getting fed an easy basket by a 21 yr old who ascended into a superstar
Meanwhile, Shaq always underperformed against SA
nikka stayed in foul trouble against Sac, missing free throw
couldn't even run the offense through Shaq in fourth quarters
Shaq was a dominant post presence, great player but he wasn't getting us over the hump in the tough series
it's not a coincidence when Kobe had off games, we'd lose. Maybe that's why Jalen Rose intentionally injured Kobe in the finals bc that was their only chance to win. Kobe misses g3, we get aired out.
Shaq played on 3 diff teams yet has 1 less ring than Kob, that's not coincidence
I will sum it up for you, Kobe was a better defender, was the lead facilitator for the offense, the closer, ended up with more rings, and was more reliable throughout the 3peat.