Kobe at 22 vs LeBron at 22

[BigTyme Records]

History remembers two once in a generation players that needed each other. The bullshyt your spewing is the narrative that no one will remember.

and one of those players was CLEARY better than the other and deserves more credit shaq >>>> kobe

 

[Swagnificent]

Kobe scores 2 of the final 12 points - Kobe = "difference make in the clutch" because he got 1 assist.
Lebron scores 9 of the final 12 points - Lebron = "spectator" because Kyrie made one shot off the dribble with a minute left.


The funniest part is that Lebron's being attacked for letting Kyrie do his thing and not getting the assist on the play, but one month later they be screaming, "Bron always hogs the ball and has to get the assists, why doesn't he ever let Kyrie do his thing, it sucks to play with Bron! Bronball sucks!!!"

Hypocritical motherfukkers


Maybe I'm just biased because I blocked Sccit months ago and can't see those awful arguments anymore, but it feels like Swagnificent has become even worse than Sccit ever was.

The moment we all remember is Kyrie hitting that 3. LeBron was simply a spectator.

The moment we all remember is Artest hitting that 3. Kobe was the guy who set it all up.

Those are the images that endure.

LeBron shrinks from the very biggest moments. Its why no one considers him clutch while Kobe is considered arguably the greatest clutch player ever.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

When the pressure was turned to the max during that final minute, it was LeBron watching Kyrie hit the game-winning shot. You can try and deflect as much as you want but the enduring image from that game is Kyrie hitting that shot over Steph while LeBron watches in the corner like the rest of us.

LeBron = spectator

So if Lebron never, ever lets anyone else control the ball, then he's playing "Bronball" and it's awful to play with him.

But if Lebron lets anyone else ever try to create ONE shot at any point in the last eight minutes of the game, then he's a spectator?


What kind of bullshyt is this, that somehow in the 4th quarter of Game 7 in the Finals there wasn't any pressure with 7:14 or 5:24 or 4:53 or 3:00 or 1:50 or 1:25 or 0:11 seconds left, the pressure was ONLY with 1:00 left?

Lebron scored 9 of the final 12 points, including every single shot when the Cavs were still behind, and made the game-sealing free throw with only 11 seconds left when a miss would have put the Warriors back in the game. AND he made the greatest block in Finals history with 1:50 left.

 

[Swagnificent]

and one of those players was CLEARY better than the other and deserves more credit shaq >>>> kobe

According to nearly every NBA player Kobe is better than Shaq. Only Jordan stands above him all-time.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

and one of those players was CLEARY better than the other and deserves more credit shaq >>>> kobe

I'd say the credit is almost equal but Shaq was the focal point and still needed Kobe to perform at a high level. Both of them needed the other but if Kobe didn't take the lead at certain points and was a hoe ass sidekick nikka that needs Shaq the Lakers wouldn't have won anything.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

We all seen his game,


Dribble up court, stall and dribble at the top while the bigs set screens to get the corner shooters open, he drives, he passes

Or the same shyt except he drives and gets fouled

Or the same shyt as he drives and dunks it



Fastbreak dunks are alright but he does the same ones all the time

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The moment we all remember is Kyrie hitting that 3. LeBron was simply a spectator.

The moment we all remember is Artest hitting that 3. Kobe was the guy who set it all up.

Those are the images that endure.

LeBron shrinks from the very biggest moments. Its why no one considers him clutch while Kobe is considered arguably the greatest clutch player ever.

You're getting blocked. No one this stupid deserves to be spoken to.

Lebron 15-35 on game-winning/game-tying shots in the final minute of playoff games.
Kobe 10-37 on game-winning/game-tying shots in the final minute of playoff games.



A 30% three-point shooter made one lucky shot, and Kobe is "clutch" because he....passed the ball. Even though he could only score 2 of his team's final 12 points.

Lebron lets a 41% three-point shooter and fantastic isolation scorer take a shot, and he's a "spectator" because he's not dominating the ball. Even though he shot 6 times in the final eight minutes (plus two possessions getting to the line) and scored 9 of his team's final 12 points.


Remember when I destroyed you showing how Kobe was saved by his teammates in nearly EVERY clutch game in 2009 and 2010? You want me to come in and post that again?

 

[Swagnificent]

So if Lebron never, ever lets anyone else control the ball, then he's playing "Bronball" and it's awful to play with him.

But if Lebron lets anyone else ever try to create ONE shot at any point in the last eight minutes of the game, then he's a spectator?


What kind of bullshyt is this, that somehow in the 4th quarter of Game 7 in the Finals there wasn't any pressure with 7:14 or 5:24 or 4:53 or 3:00 or 1:50 or 1:25 or 0:11 seconds left, the pressure was ONLY with 1:00 left?

Lebron scored 9 of the final 12 points, including every single shot when the Cavs were still behind, and made the game-sealing free throw with only 11 seconds left when a miss would have put the Warriors back in the game. AND he made the greatest block in Finals history with 1:50 left.

This is LeBron's problem. When the pressure isn't on he uses the start of the game to pad his stats playing Bron ball. Then when the pressure is at its highest he runs away from the pressure. Compare that to Kobe who uses to the start of the game to set up his teammates and then in the clutch he plays Kobe ball. Trying to dominate in the clutch is more impressive than running away from it and dominating the start of the game so you can pad your stats.

And honesty, we don't even need to go back to last season game 7. Just this past year in game 3 LeBron did what he always does when it comes to running away from pressure. Instead of taking it to the basket during that final minute he got scared and passed it to Kyle Korver for the 3. That was a classic LeBron running away from pressure. He had an angle to drive the ball. Instead he went toward the strong side of the defense to put the pressure on Kyle Korver to hit a big shot. That was classic LeBron being bytch-made in the clutch.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Kobe scores 2 of the final 12 points - Kobe = "difference make in the clutch" because he got 1 assist.
Lebron scores 9 of the final 12 points - Lebron = "spectator" because Kyrie made one shot off the dribble with a minute left.


The funniest part is that Lebron's being attacked for letting Kyrie do his thing and not getting the assist on the play, but one month later they be screaming, "Bron always hogs the ball and has to get the assists, why doesn't he ever let Kyrie do his thing, it sucks to play with Bron! Bronball sucks!!!"

Hypocritical motherfukkers


Maybe I'm just biased because I blocked Sccit months ago and can't see those awful arguments anymore, but it feels like Swagnificent has become even worse than Sccit ever was.

Swag has always been worse. He's a three time multi website WOAT who has the trophy named after him. He's the worst poster in internet history, and it isn't close really. He managed to have such an awful 2014 that not only did everyone forget about the ballot stuffing fukkery of the 2013 race, but everyone quickly forgot about the horrendous fiasco (see what I did there ?) that was lastemperor2k2's 2014. Then he somehow ascended to such an even worse level in 2015 that ed felt the only fair thing to do was take him off the ballot and rename the trophy after him so that someone else might have a chance to win. This is the posting equivalent of Babe Ruth's first ten years with the Yankees basically.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

These dudes are clowns

"Shaq scored more"

Who was guarding him in the Finals?


Indiana had Rik Smitts, Dale Davis and Jeff Foster

Philly had Todd Macollough and a 35 year old Mutombo

New Jersey had Jason Collins and Todd Macollough (again but with a differen team), oh and Scalabrine

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Ofc shaq scored more, he was playing against rag dolls

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This is LeBron's problem. When the pressure isn't on he uses the start of the game to pad his stats playing Bron ball. Then when the pressure is at its highest he runs away from the pressure. Compare that to Kobe who uses to the start of the game to set up his teammates and then in the clutch he plays Kobe ball. Trying to dominate in the clutch is more impressive than running away from it and dominating the start of the game so you can pad your stats.

Lebron shot on eight possessions in the final eight minutes and scored 9 of the final 12 points AND had the clutch defensive play. HOW IS THAT NOT DOMINATING?

Your definition of "running away from the pressure" is stupid as hell. Eight shots in the final eight minutes (made 2 shots for five points and was fouled on 2 shots for four points), but he was "running away".

And honesty, we don't even need to go back to last season game 7. Just this past year in game 3 LeBron did what he always does when it comes to running away from pressure. Instead of taking it to the basket during that final minute he got scared and passed it to Kyle Korver for the 3. That was a classic LeBron running away from pressure. He had an angle to drive the ball. Instead he went toward the strong side of the defense to put the pressure on Kyle Korver to hit a big shot. That was classic LeBron being bytch-made in the clutch.

Swag is bragging about Kobe passing to 30% three-point shooter Artest with a minute left, but attacking Lebron for passing to 50% three-point shooter Korver with a minute left.

How stupid can you get?

Yeah, more PURE stupid. Here is Lebron's "angle" to drive the ball, with the DPOY Draymond right on him, Durant just waiting underneath guarding NO ONE, and Curry on the wrong side of the screen.

Yeah, I see the "angle" to the basket clearly.


Swag simultaneously trying to claim that Lebron is "running from pressure" for passing to a great three-point shooter while Kobe is "clutch" for passing in the same situation to a poor three-point shooter.

 

[Momentum]

Lebron's a better basketball player than Kobe and it's not even a debate to people who know the game, but the stan wars are entertaining.

 

[BigTyme Records]

These dudes are clowns

"Shaq scored more"

Who was guarding him in the Finals?


Indiana had Rik Smitts, Dale Davis and Jeff Foster

Philly had Todd Macollough and a 35 year old Mutombo

New Jersey had Jason Collins and Todd Macollough (again but with a differen team), oh and Scalabrine

Good lets use the logic for the Spurs 01 Series Shaq was being guarded by Duncan and Robinson

Kobe main defender Derek Anderson was injured

 

[BigTyme Records]

I'd say the credit is almost equal but Shaq was the focal point and still needed Kobe to perform at a high level. Both of them needed the other but if Kobe didn't take the lead at certain points and was a hoe ass sidekick nikka that needs Shaq the Lakers wouldn't have won anything.

No its not equal
Shaq -1mvp 3fmvp
Kobe - none
Shaq was better every year they played together

Shaq is top 5-8 all Time
Kobe is fringe top 10-15 all time it is what it is