Kobe at 22 vs LeBron at 22

[Professor Emeritus]

These dudes are clowns

"Shaq scored more"

Who was guarding him in the Finals?
Indiana had Rik Smitts, Dale Davis and Jeff Foster
Philly had Todd Macollough and a 35 year old Mutombo
New Jersey had Jason Collins and Todd Macollough (again but with a differen team), oh and Scalabrine

Who was guarding Kobe?

Kerry Kittles, Keith van Horn, Aaron McKie, and Reggie Miller?






And let's not even talk about the sidekick years. Let's look at Kobe's PRIME years, when he was supposed to be leading the team. WOAT Swag's claim:

Compare that to Kobe who uses to the start of the game to set up his teammates and then in the clutch he plays Kobe ball. Trying to dominate in the clutch is more impressive

Actual reality:

2009 Game 2 against the Nuggets: Lakers down three with 5 seconds left in the game, and it's Fisher, not Kobe, who attempts the game-tying three.

2009 Game 2 against the Magic. Lakers down two with 33 seconds left in the game and it's Pau, not Kobe, who makes the game-tying bucket to send it into overtime. Kobe misses the potential game-winner with two seconds left. In overtime Kobe only scores 2 of the Lakers' 13 points, with Pau pouring in 7 to put away the game.

2009 Game 3 against the Magic. Kobe only scores 5 of the Lakers' 29 points in the fourth in a tight game (and two of those five are a meaningless layup with half a second left that only cuts the lead to two). Odom (8) and Pau (6) both outscore Kobe in the fourth.

2009 Game 4 against the Magic. Kobe doesn't score in the final 4:45 of regulation - instead it's a game-tying three by Ariza, a layup by Pau, and a game-tying three with 4 seconds left by Fisher that sends the game into overtime. Pau is once again the leading scorer in overtime with 5 points to Kobe's 4, but it's Fisher's game-winning three with 31 seconds left that gives the Lakers the 3-1 series lead.

2010 Game 3 against the Thunder, Kobe only scores 2 of the last 19 points in a tight game. Pau (4), MWP (4), Bynum (3), Odom (3) and Fisher (3) all outscore Kobe late. Kobe's only basket is a layup when the Lakers were down four with 13 seconds left and needed three, not two (Durant made both free throws and Farmar and MWP, not Kobe, tried to hit the threes to get it back).

2010 Game 6 against the Thunder, Kobe only scores 2 of the last 22 points in a tight game. MWP (5), Fisher (5), Walton (5) and Brown (3) all outscore Kobe late. When Kobe misses the potential game-winner with two seconds left, it's Pau that saves the game with a game-winning putback that keeps the series from going 7 and saves the Lakers from a potential first-round exit.

2010 Game 5 against the Suns, Kobe only scores 2 of the last 15 points in a tight game. Fisher (5) and Pau (4) both outscore Kobe late. When Kobe misses the potential game-winner with three seconds left, it's MWP that saves the game with a game-winning putback that keeps the Lakers from going down 3 to 2 heading into Game 6.

2010 Game 7 against the Celtics, Kobe only scores 3 of the last 15 points in a tight game, and those were on intentional fouls. Pau (7 points) is the Laker go-to man down the stretch. Once again it's MWP who makes the shot of the game, a huge three with a minute left that doubles the Laker lead.



And that's JUST those last two championships when Kobe was "the man". Game after game after game, when the going got tough it was Pau's dominance on offense, the Lakers' team defense, and Pau/Fisher/MWP's clutch shots that made the difference for the Lakers.

Kobe was literally FOURTH on his own team in huge playoff shots during that 2009-2010 run.

 

[Swagnificent]

Swag is bragging about Kobe passing to 30% three-point shooter Artest with a minute left, but attacking Lebron for passing to 50% three-point shooter Korver with a minute left.

How stupid can you get?

Yeah, more PURE stupid. Here is Lebron's "angle" to drive the ball, with the DPOY Draymond right on him, Durant just waiting underneath guarding NO ONE, and Curry on the wrong side of the screen.

Yeah, I see the "angle" to the basket clearly.


Swag simultaneously trying to claim that Lebron is "running from pressure" for passing to a great three-point shooter while Kobe is "clutch" for passing in the same situation to a poor three-point shooter.

You must not have been watching SportsCenter the next morning after that humiliating game 3 loss cause Tim Legler broke this down.

Before he drove left into the teeth of the defense, the driving lane to the right was wide open. Tim Legler said that should have been the play. He said that if LeBron drove right he would have either hit the layup or gotten fouled. But because he was scared of the pressure free throws, he drove into the area Draymond wanted him right to his help and threw the pass. Tim Legler said this was because LeBron made his mind up he was passing that possession rather than shooting because he was scared to hit free throws.

Be mad at Legler cause this is exactly what he said. They also discussed it again that day on Russillo's radio show.

 

[Swagnificent]

Lebron's a better basketball player than Kobe and it's not even a debate to people who know the game, but the stan wars are entertaining.

So you're saying D-Wade, Dirk, and Durant don't know the game?

Dwyane Wade says Kobe Bryant 'is the greatest player of our era'
Dwyane Wade calls Kobe Bryant the 'second best' player in NBA history
Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'
Dirk: Kobe 'greatest player in my generation'


That's 3 of the greatest players of the last 20 years saying Kobe is best of their generation. D-Wade went as far as to say Kobe is #2 all-time to Jordan. While Durant upped him and said Kobe is #1 all-time.

Bron stans please stop with the lies. The people who actually know the game are all on Kobe's side. Its the white analytics nerds who never played any sports and spend all their time studying math equations that think LeBron is better.

People who actually know basketball say its Kobe.

 

[Swagnificent]

No its not equal
Shaq -1mvp 3fmvp
Kobe - none
Shaq was better every year they played together

Shaq is top 5-8 all Time
Kobe is fringe top 10-15 all time it is what it is

Just because you say something doesn't make it true. According to the people who matter, Kobe is more like #1 or #2 all-time.

Dwyane Wade says Kobe Bryant 'is the greatest player of our era'
Dwyane Wade calls Kobe Bryant the 'second best' player in NBA history
Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'
Dirk: Kobe 'greatest player in my generation'


I'll take the word of the guys who are future hall of famers that competed against Kobe over the word of some random cac on a message board.

 

[New Username]

Watching Lebron play is boring

 

[Sccit]

KOBE AT 22 >> BRON AT ANY POINT IN HIS CAREER

 

[BigTyme Records]

Just because you say something doesn't make it true. According to the people who matter, Kobe is more like #1 or #2 all-time.

Dwyane Wade says Kobe Bryant 'is the greatest player of our era'
Dwyane Wade calls Kobe Bryant the 'second best' player in NBA history
Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'
Dirk: Kobe 'greatest player in my generation'


I'll take the word of the guys who are future hall of famers that competed against Kobe over the word of some random cac on a message board.

Thats fine bro, you really like kobe he was great I just dont think hes 1 or 2 all time

 

[Swagnificent]

Actual reality:

2009 Game 2 against the Nuggets: Lakers down three with 5 seconds left in the game, and it's Fisher, not Kobe, who attempts the game-tying three.

2009 Game 2 against the Magic. Lakers down two with 33 seconds left in the game and it's Pau, not Kobe, who makes the game-tying bucket to send it into overtime. Kobe misses the potential game-winner with two seconds left. In overtime Kobe only scores 2 of the Lakers' 13 points, with Pau pouring in 7 to put away the game.

2009 Game 3 against the Magic. Kobe only scores 5 of the Lakers' 29 points in the fourth in a tight game (and two of those five are a meaningless layup with half a second left that only cuts the lead to two). Odom (8) and Pau (6) both outscore Kobe in the fourth.

2009 Game 4 against the Magic. Kobe doesn't score in the final 4:45 of regulation - instead it's a game-tying three by Ariza, a layup by Pau, and a game-tying three with 4 seconds left by Fisher that sends the game into overtime. Pau is once again the leading scorer in overtime with 5 points to Kobe's 4, but it's Fisher's game-winning three with 31 seconds left that gives the Lakers the 3-1 series lead.

2010 Game 3 against the Thunder, Kobe only scores 2 of the last 19 points in a tight game. Pau (4), MWP (4), Bynum (3), Odom (3) and Fisher (3) all outscore Kobe late. Kobe's only basket is a layup when the Lakers were down four with 13 seconds left and needed three, not two (Durant made both free throws and Farmar and MWP, not Kobe, tried to hit the threes to get it back).

2010 Game 6 against the Thunder, Kobe only scores 2 of the last 22 points in a tight game. MWP (5), Fisher (5), Walton (5) and Brown (3) all outscore Kobe late. When Kobe misses the potential game-winner with two seconds left, it's Pau that saves the game with a game-winning putback that keeps the series from going 7 and saves the Lakers from a potential first-round exit.

2010 Game 5 against the Suns, Kobe only scores 2 of the last 15 points in a tight game. Fisher (5) and Pau (4) both outscore Kobe late. When Kobe misses the potential game-winner with three seconds left, it's MWP that saves the game with a game-winning putback that keeps the Lakers from going down 3 to 2 heading into Game 6.

2010 Game 7 against the Celtics, Kobe only scores 3 of the last 15 points in a tight game, and those were on intentional fouls. Pau (7 points) is the Laker go-to man down the stretch. Once again it's MWP who makes the shot of the game, a huge three with a minute left that doubles the Laker lead.

Honest question: How did you put this shyt together?

You always come with these long ass lists of random events from Kobe's career to claim he ain't clutch. Typically there's no link to video. I'm sure your memory isn't this good. So do you have some notes saved somewhere from years ago on every point you could attack Kobe on?

Cause breh this is rather bizzare if you actually have all this shyt saved for a moment like this. Cause I'm the biggest Kobe fan I know and I don't remember half this shyt. I also don't got the time to actually proof check you so I'll just assume for the sake of argument this shyt is true. But then again for all I know this post is filled with lies and you're hoping by making the list so long and with no links that no one will actually check you on it.


So let us all know. Are you keeping years of Kobe related material in folder somewhere on your computer for moments like this?

 

[Sccit]

No its not equal
Shaq -1mvp 3fmvp
Kobe - none
Shaq was better every year they played together

Shaq is top 5-8 all Time
Kobe is fringe top 10-15 all time it is what it is

AND OF COURSE NICK WRIGHTS GAY LOVER IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DAPS THIS POST

SHAQ HAD SENIORITY ON THAT TEAM CUZ HE WAS OLDER..HE FEASTED ON THE WEAK ASS EAST IN THE FINALS SO HE WON FINALS MVP.

BUT KOBE WAS THE ONE EXCELLING VS THE REAL COMPETITION OUT WEST..THEY DONT GIVE PLAYOFF MVPS, BUT IF THEY DID, 01 AND 02 WOULDA BELONGED TO KOBE.

KOBE WAS HANDS DOWN A BETTER OVERALL PLAYER THAN SHAQ BY 01.

BE A CASUAL BRODIES.

 

[Swagnificent]

Thats fine bro, you really like kobe he was great I just dont think hes 1 or 2 all time

I don't care what you think. Just like you don't care what I think.

I'm telling you guys who know way more basketball than you or me like KD, D-Wade, and Dirk (who are on the same level of Kobe as future hall of famers, mvps, champions) are telling BOTH OF US that he's #1 or #2 all-time. I don't know about you but if all the great players of the NBA in the last 10-20 years keep saying Kobe is the best of their era and better than LeBron, I would listen. Especially when one of them is LeBron's best friend (D-Wade).

I assume they know more about basketball than me because for as much as I watch the game, they're actually on the court playing it. And that first hand knowledge is a million times more valuable than anything you can see from a TV screen.

 

[Sccit]

Honest question: How did you put this shyt together?

You always come with these long ass lists of random events from Kobe's career to claim he ain't clutch. Typically there's no link to video. I'm sure your memory isn't this good. So do you have some notes saved somewhere from years ago on every point you could attack Kobe on?

Cause breh this is rather bizzare if you actually have all this shyt saved for a moment like this. Cause I'm the biggest Kobe fan I know and I don't remember half this shyt. I also don't got the time to actually proof check you so I'll just assume for the sake of argument this shyt is true. But then again for all I know this post is filled with lies and you're hoping by making the list so long and with no links that no one will actually check you on it.


So let us all know. Are you keeping years of Kobe related material in folder somewhere on your computer for moments like this?

THIS FAGOT HANDS PICK ALL THE BAD MOMENTS OF KOBES CAREER AND POSTS THEM SO SHEEP ASS LEBRON GROUPIES CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT BEIN BASKETBALL RETARDED

ITS PRACTICALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF COMPILING ALL THE MISSED SHOTS OF A PLAYERS CAREER AND MAKING A HIGHLIGHT TAPE OUT OF IT TO SAY "SEE!! I TOLD U HE SUCKS!!"

DUDES A BONAFIED LOSER.

 

[Big Boss]

Lebron overrated


Kobe the GOAT

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You must not have been watching SportsCenter the next morning after that humiliating game 3 loss cause Tim Legler broke this down.

Before he drove left into the teeth of the defense, the driving lane to the right was wide open. Tim Legler said that should have been the play. He said that if LeBron drove right he would have either hit the layup or gotten fouled. But because he was scared of the pressure free throws, he drove into the area Draymond wanted him right to his help and threw the pass. Tim Legler said this was because LeBron made his mind up he was passing that possession rather than shooting because he was scared to hit free throws.

Be mad at Legler cause this is exactly what he said. They also discussed it again that day on Russillo's radio show.

The driving lane to the right is never open. Draymond is in position the whole time AND Durant has a foot in the key the whole time. You're relying on Lebron to get fouled when he's going 1-on-2 in the halfcourt against the DPOY and a mobile 7-footer who has been good on defense all year, and there are MANY cases of Lebron not getting the foul call in such situations over the years, even against lesser defenders. Draymond almost always gets the benefit of the doubt in those situations.


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• Professor Emeritus
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Is that the moment you're trying to claim? Because your ignorant eyes see a little bit of daylight when Draymond is clearly still in front of him, clearly in position, his foot is literally cutting off Lebron's lane to the hoop as we speak and Durant is right back there next to the hoop with nothing in the way from him blocking the shot either?



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• Professor Emeritus
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You're trying to claim that Lebron would have been able to get in front of Draymond even though Draymond CLEARLY has position the whole time, and that Durant wouldn't have been able to get there even though Durant is five feet from the basket and Lebron is 25 feet from the basket. If Lebron goes right, he's trying to drive 1-on-2 against great defenders and he has no passing lane at all. It would be an idiot play.

Honest question: How did you put this shyt together?

You always come with these long ass lists of random events from Kobe's career to claim he ain't clutch. Typically there's no link to video. I'm sure your memory isn't this good. So do you have some notes saved somewhere from years ago on every point you could attack Kobe on?

Cause breh this is rather bizzare if you actually have all this shyt saved for a moment like this. Cause I'm the biggest Kobe fan I know and I don't remember half this shyt. I also don't got the time to actually proof check you so I'll just assume for the sake of argument this shyt is true. But then again for all I know this post is filled with lies and you're hoping by making the list so long and with no links that no one will actually check you on it.

So let us all know. Are you keeping years of Kobe related material in folder somewhere on your computer for moments like this?

I love how you always brag about your "eye test" to remember exactly how good Kobe is, but when I present evidence from actual events that proves your eye test bullshyt, you go on random attacks on me instead.

Sorry if I remember games a lot better than you do. I don't have Kobe-juice all over the glasses that I'm looking at the events with.

No, I have no notes, but I have a good memory plus I tend to copy-and-paste from things I said in previous arguments so I never have to do the same fact-check twice.

If you doubt a single thing I said, the play-by-play for every game I cited exists. It's not hard to verify the play-by-play for any of those games and see that I have events correct to a T.

 

[Swagnificent]

The driving lane to the right is never open. Draymond is in position the whole time AND Durant has a foot in the key the whole time. You're relying on Lebron to get fouled when he's going 1-on-2 in the halfcourt against the DPOY and a mobile 7-footer who has been good on defense all year, and there are MANY cases of Lebron not getting the foul call in such situations over the years, even against lesser defenders. Draymond almost always gets the benefit of the doubt in those situations.


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• Professor Emeritus
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• Professor Emeritus
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Is that the moment you're trying to claim? Because your ignorant eyes see a little bit of daylight when Draymond is clearly still in front of him, clearly in position, his foot is literally cutting off Lebron's lane to the hoop as we speak and Durant is right back there next to the hoop with nothing in the way from him blocking the shot either?



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• Professor Emeritus
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• Professor Emeritus
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You're trying to claim that Lebron would have been able to get in front of Draymond even though Draymond CLEARLY has position the whole time, and that Durant wouldn't have been able to get there even though Durant is five feet from the basket and Lebron is 25 feet from the basket. If Lebron goes right, he's trying to drive 1-on-2 against great defenders and he has no passing lane at all. It would be an idiot play.

Go argue with Tim Legler white boy. He's the one on SportsCenter that said it. Not me. I just viewed it as LeBron p*ssying out once again. Legler is the one who scientifically broke it down and made the argument LeBron could have driven right but didn't because he made the decision beforehand that he was going to pass. And Legler intrepreted that as LeBron being afraid to take those clutch free throws.

Argue with Legler. He said it. Not me.

I love how you always brag about your "eye test" to remember exactly how good Kobe is, but when I present evidence from actual events that proves your eye test bullshyt, you go on random attacks on me instead.

Sorry if I remember games a lot better than you do. I don't have Kobe-juice all over the glasses that I'm looking at the events with.

No, I have no notes, but I have a good memory plus I tend to copy-and-paste from things I said in previous arguments so I never have to do the same fact-check twice.

If you doubt a single thing I said, the play-by-play for every game I cited exists. It's not hard to verify the play-by-play for any of those games and see that I have events correct to a T.

A. I got better shyt to do.
B. Even if what you post is true, it wouldn't change my mind at all. Just like I'm sure me posting every great NBA player saying Kobe is better than LeBron won't change your mind.

I don't base my appreciation of Kobe's clutchness on a set of random events. Its about his career collectively. I just know when the game was on the line he delivered more than anyone I ever saw. As a Lakers fan, if Kobe had the ball at the end of the game I was happy cause I was confident he would do something great.

While with LeBron the opposite is true. When the game is on the line, I know he'll fukk up.

 

[FlyRy]

in 41 minutes a game

What the fukk does this even mean?

Kobe played 41 mpg in his prime and barely put up 4 apg