Kobe at 22 vs LeBron at 22

[Professor Emeritus]

Swag's entire argument against facts - trying to claim I'm a White boy and saying that he don't have time to argue.

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[FlyRy]

He blew a 3-1 lead because he had faith in his teammates and they failed him. Pussies only needed to grab one rebound and they couldn't.

Shaq played liek shyt in them finals too. The whole team did. Karl Malone was the reason they even made it to the finals and he didn't even get a chance to play.

yea 27 and 11 on 63% from the field is awful.

Maybe if kobe wasn't chucking to 38% FG and 17% from 3 they could have won

Breh had a 10-31 game

Kobe's never had someone save him during an ELIMINATION GAME in the finals. Those are apples to oranges.

Let's not act like the WCF weren't the real finals for Kobe's first 3 titles, and he got his ass saved plenty of times.

Also hard to be saved when you lose by 40 in the 08 finals

 

[Marc Spector]

Kobe was an above average scorer in one of the greatest spacing creating offenses of all time.

With a big man who commanded double teams.

With sharpshooters all on the perimeter.

Against teams with weak perimeter defense. Teams who had to pick whether to stop shaq or die by the perimeter.

C'mon now. My great grandmother would put up numbers.

 

[Momentum]

So you're saying D-Wade, Dirk, and Durant don't know the game?

Dwyane Wade says Kobe Bryant 'is the greatest player of our era'
Dwyane Wade calls Kobe Bryant the 'second best' player in NBA history
Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'
Dirk: Kobe 'greatest player in my generation'


That's 3 of the greatest players of the last 20 years saying Kobe is best of their generation. D-Wade went as far as to say Kobe is #2 all-time to Jordan. While Durant upped him and said Kobe is #1 all-time.

Bron stans please stop with the lies. The people who actually know the game are all on Kobe's side. Its the white analytics nerds who never played any sports and spend all their time studying math equations that think LeBron is better.

People who actually know basketball say its Kobe.

All those links are prefaced with HIS GENERATION.

Kobe was in year 8 Lebron's rookie season. Good try tho.

 

[Momentum]

Kyrie still saved him while he watched from the corner like the rest of us.

And FYI, Kyrie is the only guy who hit a FG in the last 4 minutes of that game. LeBron scored his points early in the 4th quarter before the pressure turned up.

When that happened LeBron went into his scared passive mode watching Kyrie take the biggest shot of the series.

You conveniently forgot Lebron going head up with Draymond for the dunk, getting fouled and almost breaking his wrist.

Hall of Shame

 

[Swagnificent]

Swag's entire argument against facts - trying to claim I'm a White boy and saying that he don't have time to argue.

18,000+ messages but no time to argue facts.


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I got time to argue. I don't got time to go back over tape to check your bullshyt.

So you can keep posting long ass lists with no links next to them. Ain't nobody gonna take your word as fact.

When I say something like Dirk, KD, and Wade say Kobe's the best player of their era and right there with Jordan all-time, I provide links like this:

Dwyane Wade says Kobe Bryant 'is the greatest player of our era'
Dwyane Wade calls Kobe Bryant the 'second best' player in NBA history
Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'
Dirk: Kobe 'greatest player in my generation'

 

[Swagnificent]

Kobe was an above average scorer in one of the greatest spacing creating offenses of all time.

With a big man who commanded double teams.

With sharpshooters all on the perimeter.

Against teams with weak perimeter defense. Teams who had to pick whether to stop shaq or die by the perimeter.

C'mon now. My great grandmother would put up numbers.

nikka literally has flipped reality on its head.

The triangle offense was not about creating "space". It was an equal opportunity offense that didn't allow the defense to focus on any one player. It was focused on finding matchup advantages in the post. And FYI the Lakers didn't have any sharpshooters after Glen Rice left in 2000. Fisher, Fox, and Horry were at best average 3-point shooters. LeBron has been surrounded by far better shooters his entire career.

And Shaq being in the paint was a big detriment to Kobe's driving. Since the lanes were clogged he had to become a deadly mid-range shooter. Something LeBron never did because he forced his bigs like Chris Bosh and Kevin Love to turn into 3-point shooters.

Also the early 2000s was the best era of basketball when it comes to defense. Its one of the lowest scoring eras in NBA history. And it was going while hand-checking and a lot of the rules that existed in the 90s were still around. Rules actually were changed after the early 2000s when LeBron came into the league to make scoring easier.

 

[Swagnificent]

All those links are prefaced with HIS GENERATION.

Kobe was in year 8 Lebron's rookie season. Good try tho.

I guess reading comprehension past a 1st grade level is beyond your capability so let me help you out.

Dwyane Wade says Kobe Bryant 'is the greatest player of our era'

(1) This is D-Wade. He came in the 2003 draft along with LeBron. He called Kobe the greatest player of "OUR" era. He's obviously referring to himself and including Kobe in his era. Unless you are about to argue that D-Wade is from another generation than LeBron, then LeBron is obviously including in this as well. Please learn how to read. This statement is quite simple. I can't believe I even have to explain this to you.



Dwyane Wade calls Kobe Bryant the 'second best' player in NBA history

(2) Wade also took it further and called Kobe the second best ever in NBA history after MJ. Once again I don't know how you can argue this was not meant to also include LeBron unless you believe he is outside NBA history.



Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'

(3) And finally KD said Kobe is the best of all-time. Once again I don't know how you're gonna argue this once again does not include LeBron. KD is actually younger than LeBron. Came into the league 4 years later. And even he says Kobe is better. Hell he says Kobe is the best of all-time even over MJ.

 

[R=G]

Tough call, Kobe was in a restricted offense with a prime Shaq clogging the middle. Lebron had free reign with no one clogging the middle. Kobe.

Clogging? Yeah easy blowouts...what a clogger

 

[Marc Spector]

nikka literally has flipped reality on its head.

The triangle offense was not about creating "space". It was an equal opportunity offense that didn't allow the defense to focus on any one player. It was focused on finding matchup advantages in the post. And FYI the Lakers didn't have any sharpshooters after Glen Rice left in 2000. Fisher, Fox, and Horry were at best average 3-point shooters. LeBron has been surrounded by far better shooters his entire career.

And Shaq being in the paint was a big detriment to Kobe's driving. Since the lanes were clogged he had to become a deadly mid-range shooter. Something LeBron never did because he forced his bigs like Chris Bosh and Kevin Love to turn into 3-point shooters.

Also the early 2000s was the best era of basketball when it comes to defense. Its one of the lowest scoring eras in NBA history. And it was going while hand-checking and a lot of the rules that existed in the 90s were still around. Rules actually were changed after the early 2000s when LeBron came into the league to make scoring easier.

I never said that was the triangles sole purpose you autist. Buts its lies or ignorance if you think that spacing isn't a byproduct of the triangle. Like having your players stand 15-20 feet away from each other at all times isn't going to create holes in the defense

Bullshyt about 3 point shooting. Fish and Horry were above average 3 point shooters and Pretty Ricky was slightly below average. LeBron has played with better shooters but he also hasn't been in as sophisticated an offense as the triangle either (which at this point is his fault, mind you).

And once again, not one person is doubting Kobes ability to score but thats precisely my point. No defender would dare rotate off shaq to regularly contest Kobe from the midrange, hence easy buckets (even though Kobe is a gifted enough scorer he can still put up points).

Im not refuting the defense of those times. My point was that in the West especially, the defenses were concentrated in their ability to try and contain shaq through their big men (sabonis, sheed, duncan, divac). Stopping shaq was the main game plan of any opposing teams. Because of that they had to throw lesser defenders at the perimeter.

 

[R=G]

if Shaq wasnt on the team Kobe would've been out here averaging 35+ at 22

And would of went 0-3 in NBA Finals.

 

[Wiirdo]

Swag's entire argument against facts - trying to claim I'm a White boy and saying that he don't have time to argue.

18,000+ messages but no time to argue facts.


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Swag has had a bad year for arguments. Some classics:

1. The Earth is flat.

2. Fisher's 0.4 short and Duncan's 3 before were lucky shots, but some shot Kobe made earlier that nobody remembers was the actual clutch shot.

3. Zach LaVine will average 30 in the 2018-19 season.

So many more trashics I can't remember right now. Easily WPOTY.

 

[LeMAO]

put Kobe in the East and him as the Superstar he will easily average 40 points


look the better player carried buy his teammates in a clutch moments "not surprising"
vs the inferior Gawd carrying a bunch of garbage's in the clutch moments. /thread

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Same talking points always


Same copy/paste numbers


Lebron trolls boring now

 

[Gangstar8]

LeBron was and will never be better
All they can tak about is fg
And shaq