Kobe at 22 vs LeBron at 22

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Nobody could guard Shaq in the post. Thats the whole point. If Mutombo was just a weakside shotblocker the 6ers wouldn't have traded Ratliff for him when Ratliff was probably a better weakside shotblocker. You didnt watch any of this shyt and have mo clue what you're talking about.

Sabonis didn't do better against Shaq.

Shaq averaged 28 and 12 against Sabonis for his career. Not a 5 game period at Shaqs peak like we're talking about with Mutombo

Arvydas Sabonis vs. Shaquille O'Neal | Basketball-Reference.com

Mutombo was the best interior defender at the time and the fact that you think he was just some weakside defender shows you have no clue and didnt watch basketball during that time.

I won't even get into you talking about Divac being a better post defender than Mutombo.

You're an idiot

I saw those series against Portland and Sacramento. Shaq had more trouble with Divac and Sabonis than he did Mutombo.

Now he murked all of them. But Divac and Sabonis showed more resistance. Mutombo showed zero resistance.
 

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And yet the only number anyone remembers is 5-2 >>> 3-5.

LeBron = Payton Manning of the NBA
Kobe = Tom Brady of the NBA

No one calls Peyton Manning the GOAT despite his superior numbers to just about anyone that has ever played the position. But people say that about Brady. Why?

Cause at the end of the day the only number people remember is the number of rings you win.

Kobe is better then Lebron but I disagree about the peyton and Brady thing football is way more of a team sport then basketball Peyton is better then Brady Brady had the better all around teams and a lot of people think Peyton is the goat
 

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Hate? Those are pure facts. Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving hit 2 of the biggest clutch shots in NBA history in elimination games to gift LeBron championship rings.

Kobe or Jordan never had a teammate hit a shot in an elimination game during the final seconds in a do or die moment like Ray Allen in 2013. That shot saved LeBron's legacy.


Because your leaving out the part where prior to that shot by Allen Lebron was the best player of that series. Emphasis on series. Not a shot, not a game a series, they oddly enough went to a game seven after that shot. Ray Allen didn't win that series, he had a great shot, but the Heat won that series mostly due to the Finals MVP performance by Lebron James.

Kyrie hit a clutch shot against the warriors and had big games during the finals. But none of that matters without the play of Lebron James
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Did his teammates contribute in big moments of course but, Lebron was not given any gifts. He was the best player on every championship team he's played on.

Just like Ron Artest didn't gift Kobe Bryant in Game 7 of 2010 Finals.


This what I don't understand about thecoli anymore. People will say anything anymore to try and prove a point. Everyday its the same stuff with Kobe vs Lebron. I don't mind that you think Kobe's better(I disagree ) but people just say whatever on here to win an argument.
 
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I don't know why you're laughing. Almost every NBA player that competed against those guys agrees with him not you.

Dirk said Kobe was the best player he played against not Shaq or LeBron. D-Wade said Kobe was #2 all-time after MJ. And Durant said Kobe was #1 all-time.

Are you gonna laugh at them too?
 

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Kobe at 22:
Usage: 31.8
Win shares: 11.3
WS/48: .196
Value over replacement: 4.4

Lebron at 22:
Usage: 31.0
Win shares: 13.7
WS/48: .206
Value over replacement: 7.6

Different types of players playing different positions in different circumstances.

Depending on your need there's no wrong choice.
Both electric.
As usual lebron 7.6 > 4.4
 

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Except that Lebron was actually 21 when that season started. They weren't both 22.

It is a HUGE stretch to say that you're comparing Lebron's 4th season, one of his worst statistically, to Kobe's 5th season, the best of his first 6, just because "they were both 22 by the end of the season."





Shows how ignorant you are on the subject matter since neither Mo nor Delonte was on the Cavs in 2007. Delonte didn't come until the end of 2008, Mo didn't come until 2009. Cavs were actually even worse than you thought. I love arguing "eye test" with people who aren't even aware of which players were in the game.






How stupid is that argument? Shaq is drawing double-teams and that's supposed to make Kobe's statistics worse? :mindblown:

Kobe took 22.2 shots/game in 2001, the year the OP used.
Lebron took 20.8 shots/game in 2007, the year the OP used.

Lebron only had ONE season in his entire career where he took as many shots as Kobe did in 2001...and Kobe took even more, 23.5, in 2003!


So you complain that Kobe was "sharing the ball" with Shaq, even though Kobe took MORE shots than Lebron, was going to be MORE open than Lebron, and had BETTER opportunities for assists than Lebron.

Try to use the fact that Lebron had no one to pass to and no one to draw defenders off him as an argument for why his stats are so much better. :dahell:

Bruh Lebron's birthday is only a month or 2 In the season
 

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Kobe at 22:
Usage: 31.8
Win shares: 11.3
WS/48: .196
Value over replacement: 4.4

Lebron at 22:
Usage: 31.0
Win shares: 13.7
WS/48: .206
Value over replacement: 7.6

Different types of players playing different positions in different circumstances.

Depending on your need there's no wrong choice.
Both electric.

lebron with that beastly impact:wow:
 
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