Kobe at 22 vs LeBron at 22

[IllmaticDelta]

I'm sure Bron the one right now. Stats don't mean shyt without context that's what you lowly bron serfs don't realize. Unfortunatey breh, he ain't never winning another finals unless he hop on. He already hopped on Wade, hopped on Kyrie, I'm sure he can't wait to ruin Lonzo's development should he show himself to be the next hot wave. LeBron a chump.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Notice the playing with numbers.

He picked Kobe's 5th season, his first elite one, where Kobe turned 22 two months before the season started.

Then compares it to Lebron's 4th season, his 3rd straight elite season but a bit of a down year numbers-wise, where Lebron was only 21 when the season started.

Compare straight-up with Lebron's 2nd season to Kobe's 2nd, or 3rd to 3rd, or 4th to 4th, or 5th to 5th, and Lebron's numbers would have washed Kobe's.

facts

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I'll give you that LeBron is better at accumulating stats than Kobe. Mainly cause that's what he plays for and because his style is more conducive to it. He's bigger, more physical, and dominates the ball more.

However, Kobe is better at actually playing the game. His skill level is higher. He is more versatile. He's better at playing off the strengths of his teammates rather than forcing them to conform to his style so he can succeed.

This is the reason Kobe has had the more successful career. He knows how to actually play basketball. LeBron knows how to rack to stats. Those are 2 completely different things that Bron stans like you don't understand but guys who play the game understand.

That is why Kobe is universally ranked higher than LeBron by his peers.

kobe is not better than lebron....give it up already.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Shaq winning 3 fmvps while kobe shot 40% = Not being carried

Kyrie scoring less, rebounding less, and being worse on D than LBJ but making the last shot = being carried/bailed out



what kinda logic this nikka use

delusional kobe stan logic

 

[IllmaticDelta]

No its not equal
Shaq -1mvp 3fmvp
Kobe - none
Shaq was better every year they played together

Shaq is top 5-8 all Time
Kobe is fringe top 10-15 all time it is what it is

facts

 

[Swagnificent]

Which led to 81, since Kobtards love touting being in 2nd place

I typically never tout Kobe's numbers to support his greatness. That's others. I only use his championships to validate his greatness.

Most of my respect for Kobe comes from watching tape. His level of skill is something the NBA has never seen. And might never see.

That is why he is the GOAT time. His technical mastery of the sport is higher than anyone that has ever played.

 

[Swagnificent]

As usual lebron 7.6 > 4.4

You don't even know what that shyt means.

You're better off just sticking to stats people know and understand.

That made up analytics shyt doesn't register.

 

[Swagnificent]

Bron

Well the guys who actually played the game agree with us and not you.

D-Wade
Durant
Dirk

That's a pretty strong trio of guys who say Kobe is the best they've ever played against. With Wade saying Kobe is #2 all-time and KD is #1 all-time.

 

[Swagnificent]

kobe is not better than lebron....give it up already.

I could say the same for you.

Give it up.

The guys who have played them have spoken.

D-Wade
Dirk
KD

All 3 say Kobe is better. And that doesn't include the dozen or so legends that have already been on the record. As well as many other current NBA players.

I'll give LeBron credit. He might finish with a better RESUME than Kobe all-time if he wins some more rings.

But as a pure basketball player he'll never pass Kobe. The tape is already out there. We've already seen the gigantic gap in skill level between the 2.

 

[FlyRy]

I typically never tout Kobe's numbers to support his greatness. That's others. I only use his championships to validate his greatness.

Most of my respect for Kobe comes from watching tape. His level of skill is something the NBA has never seen. And might never see.

That is why he is the GOAT time. His technical mastery of the sport is higher than anyone that has ever played.

The apprentice can never surpass the master. How can his technical mastery be higher than the guy he copied his moves from?

 

[Swagnificent]

The apprentice can never surpass the master. How can his technical mastery be higher than the guy he copied his moves from?

It's called evolution. He took what MJ did and took it to another level.

 

[FlyRy]

It's called evolution. He took what MJ did and took it to another level.

Sure if being a much less efficient shooter who could occasionally get super hot from 3 is taking it to another level :smugnolan:

 

[LeMAO]

from Reddit

I posted some clutch stats for the playoffs, and I decided to do some more.

I was criticized for using five minutes and margin of five, people also told me to add playmaking as part of the equation.

I do admit creating for your teammates is a huge factor in clutch situations, so I decided to add assists per 36 and turnovers per 36.

"Clutch" is 2 minutes left with margin of 3 in playoffs,

I will be only talking about Lebron and Kobe, considering these two were heads and shoulders beyond everyone else for their efficiency and volume.

Playoffs:

Lebron

• He is 40/106 in clutch situation
• His free throw shooting is 49/67
• True Shooting is, 49.8%
• Assist per 36: 4.2 assists
• Turnovers per 36: 4.2 turnovers

Kobe

• He is 40/96 in clutch situations.
• His free throw shooting is 67/79
• His true shooting is 58 %
• Assists per 36: 4.3 assists
• Turnovers per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Finals: Last 2 minutes, margin of 3.

Lebron

• He is 4/23 in clutch situations
• His free throw shooting is 10/14
• His true shooting is 31%
• Assists per 36: 3.7 assists
• TO per 36: 3.7 TO

Kobe

• He is 10/20 in clutch situations
• His free throw shooting is 4/5
• His true shooting is 56.4%
• Assists per 36: 7.5 assists
• TO per 36: 1.5 TO

Finals: Last 5 minutes, margin of 5.

Lebron

• 17/62 in clutch situations in the finals.
• 32% EFG
• 43% TS.
• Assists per 36: 4.26
• TO per 36: 3.1

Kobe

• 28/63 in clutch situations in the finals.
• 46% EFG
• 53% TS.
• Assists per 36: 3.6
• TO per 36: 1.08

Tbh, I wasn't surprised about the field goals considering Kobe is the much better shooter in the playoffs, but I was shocked to see Kobe as the better playmaker and distributor in crunch time.

Thoughts?

Edit: all sources are from NBA.com

 

[Swagnificent]

Sure if being a much less efficient shooter who could occasionally get super hot from 3 is taking it to another level :smugnolan:

You analytics nerds don't know nothing about the game. All you do is fall back on this simplistic shyt.

Listen to what greats like Kevin Durant have to say: Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'

“Of course. He’s the greatest of all time. His skill is second to none. Him and [Michael Jordan] are neck and neck as far as skill. You can put in athleticism and be the best passer and strongest and quickest. But it’s about skill. I think that’s how his game is played. That’s why Kobe is the top two best ever in just having skill, footwork, shooting the three, shooting the pull up, posting up, dunking on guys and ball handling. It’s flat out skill. Him and Jordan are 1 and 1A. They’re neck and neck as far as the skills are concerned.”

 

[FlyRy]

You analytics nerds don't know nothing about the game. All you do is fall back on this simplistic shyt.

Listen to what greats like Kevin Durant have to say: Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'

I'm older than Durant. He barely has memories of even 2nd three peat MJ so I'll take my eye test over his YouTube clip viewing. I don't need analytics to know kobe was a volume scoring chucker