Kobe at 22 vs LeBron at 22

[fifth column]

It's called evolution. He took what MJ did and took it to another level.

 

[Swagnificent]

I'm older than Durant. He barely has memories of even 2nd three peat MJ so I'll take my eye test over his YouTube clip viewing. I don't need analytics to know kobe was a volume scoring chucker

We'll you're on an island by yourself. Most NBA players agree with KD not you. Wade and Dirk have said similar things. Even guys like Robert Horry who are older NBA players say Kobe is top 3 all-time. Robert Horry's top-3 players of all time are Jordan, Hakeem, and Kobe

 

[Professor Emeritus]

nikkas compare players at the same age all the time. Stop being a dikk head and using the fact that Lebron was born at the end of the year as some kind of cop out. They both turned 22 in the respective years posted you dumbass. The rest of my post was speaking on their general years which I said

But they didn't both turn 22 that year, Kobe was already 22 when the year started.

Kobe was 18 years and 2 months when he entered the league straight out of high school. Lebron was 18 years and 9 months when he entered the league straight out of high school. To say that means "Kobe gets an extra year to do everything" is just ridiculous.


Not to mention, as before, that picking comparing "2001" to "2007" is the most random year to pick, considering that Kobe's stats were MUCH worse the year before and the year after, and considering Lebron was hurt much of that year and his stats were MUCH better the year before and after.

Brother out there tossing out "dikk head" and "dumbass" just because I called out OP for cherry-picking Kobe's 5th season to compare to Lebron's 4th season.

If you actually read instead of being so quick to put Lebron dikk in your mouth, you would see that I was referring to those early cavs year which both delonte, boobie and mo was part of in his first run with the cavs. how stupid are you? Shaq drawing double teams showed how dominant he was during that time. Where as Lebron was the dominant player on that cavs team. You take away Shaq and give his shot attempts to Kobe and that's legit 30+ per game that season. That was my whole entire point dikk head I don't care how many shot Lebron takes, stop derailing the subject. The point is kobe could have had much more points if he didn't have, ya know, a man who averaged 30+ in each finals and all those shots were given to Kobe to take.

Kobe out there taking 22-23 shots a game, literally more shots than anyone in the NBA other than AI, and brothers actually complaining that he didn't get enough shots.



Lebron the #1 guy from day one while Kobe took three years to break the starting lineup, and that's somehow not a knock on Kobe.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

from Reddit

Those numbers are convoluted as hell - who has ever used +/- 3 points in the last two minutes to define clutch? How did he even come up with that?

And it takes literally 2 searches to see that Lebron DOMINATES Kobe in game-winning shots in the final minute of playoff games.

Lebron: 15-35: 43%
Kobe: 10-37: 27%


Lebron got 5 MORE game winners in six fewer seasons, and on FAR better shooting too.


But now Kobestans consider shots you make up three with 2 minutes left to be more important than game-winners in the final minute.

That's what you get for citing Reddit as an authoritative source.

 

[LeMAO]

Those numbers are convoluted as hell - who has ever used +/- 3 points in the last two minutes to define clutch? How did he even come up with that?

And it takes literally 2 searches to see that Lebron DOMINATES Kobe in game-winning shots in the final minute of playoff games.

Lebron: 15-35: 43%
Kobe: 10-37: 27%


Lebron got 5 MORE game winners in six fewer seasons, and on FAR better shooting too.


But now Kobestans consider shots you make up three with 2 minutes left to be more important than game-winners in the final minute.

That's what you get for citing Reddit as an authoritative source.

those guys at Reddit is way better source than you actually. how about you go there and try to debunk his data's.

 

[Soylent Greenz]

Seems most nba players of this generation who played against both say kobe is the better player....while ex-players and coli posters say that LeBron is.

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

compare players that play different positions...have different outlooks on how the game is played and different mentalities brehs...

kkobe was a killer that never saw a shot he didnt like....while lebron prefers to facillitate...but will score if he has to....this nowhere near a fair comparison

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Those numbers are convoluted as hell - who has ever used +/- 3 points in the last two minutes to define clutch? How did he even come up with that?

And it takes literally 2 searches to see that Lebron DOMINATES Kobe in game-winning shots in the final minute of playoff games.

Lebron: 15-35: 43%
Kobe: 10-37: 27%


Lebron got 5 MORE game winners in six fewer seasons, and on FAR better shooting too.


But now Kobestans consider shots you make up three with 2 minutes left to be more important than game-winners in the final minute.

That's what you get for citing Reddit as an authoritative source.

That's fine and all, but kobe has 36 game winners. The most game winners and 9 game winners in one season. He also did this in the NBA finals

Something Lebron never did in all 8 or 9 finals he's been too

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That's fine and all, but kobe has 36 game winners. The most game winners and 9 game winners in one season.

I love that you think regular season game-winners are more important than playoff game winners.

Kobe didn't get no 9 game winners in one season. His best season was 7 in 2010. And that's meaningless when he has multiple seasons with zero.

Lebron got 7 in 2008, 6 in 2013, and 5 in 2006. And doesn't have a single season without a game-winner in his whole career.



The legit criteria everyone uses for game-winning/game-tying shots is shot to win or tie with less than 24 seconds left.

Kobe has 55-194 (28%) in 20 seasons. Lebron 42-136 (31%) in 14 seasons.

Only reason Kobe even ahead on overall game-winners is because he played 6 more seasons. Lebron on pace to pass him, and at a better % too.

He also did this in the NBA finals

Something Lebron never did in all 8 or 9 finals he's been too

Kobe 1-5 in Finals game-winners.
Lebron 0-5 in Finals game-wnners.

Big whup. It's literally a single shot TOTAL over 34 seasons of play. And Kobe's was just about the most useless one ever, since he shot his team out of the championship the other four games of the series.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I could say the same for you.

Give it up.

The guys who have played them have spoken.

D-Wade
Dirk
KD

All 3 say Kobe is better. And that doesn't include the dozen or so legends that have already been on the record. As well as many other current NBA players.

I'll give LeBron credit. He might finish with a better RESUME than Kobe all-time if he wins some more rings.

But as a pure basketball player he'll never pass Kobe. The tape is already out there. We've already seen the gigantic gap in skill level between the 2.

4 reg season mvps/3 titles as the man/3 finals mvps>>>>>>>>>>>1 ref season mvp/2 titles as the man/2 finals mvps

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

The legit criteria everyone uses for game-winning/game-tying shots is shot to win or tie with less than 24 seconds left.

Kobe has 55-194 (28%) in 20 seasons. Lebron 42-136 (31%) in 14 seasons.

So kobe still has more.

Kobe 1-5 in Finals game-winners.
Lebron 0-5 in Finals game-wnners.

So kobe made one more than Bron although Bron has been in the same amount of finals

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

4 reg season mvps/3 titles as the man/3 finals mvps>>>>>>>>>>>1 ref season mvp/2 titles as the man/2 finals mvps

Nikka please with "the man" kobe got 4 putting up championship numbers. Lebron 3 out of 8 and should be 1 out of 8. That's all that will matter in the end

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Nikka please with "the man" kobe got 4 putting up championship numbers. Lebron 3 out of 8 and should be 1 out of 8. That's all that will matter in the end

kobes first 3 finals, he got carried by Shaq

Kobe


2000 NBA Finals – 36.7% FG

2001 NBA Finals – 41.5% FG

2002 NBA Finals – 51.4% FG

2004 NBA Finals – 38.1% FG

2008 NBA Finals – 40.5% FG

2009 NBA Finals – 43.0% FG

2010 NBA Finals – 40.5% FG

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

kobes first 3 finals, he got carried by Shaq

Kobe


2000 NBA Finals – 36.7% FG

2001 NBA Finals – 41.5% FG

2002 NBA Finals – 51.4% FG

2004 NBA Finals – 38.1% FG

2008 NBA Finals – 40.5% FG

2009 NBA Finals – 43.0% FG

2010 NBA Finals – 40.5% FG

So? He put 24 in 2001 and 26 in 2002. He was the lead in scorer in games 2 and 3 of 01 and put on clutch performances when Shaq wasn't in the game. I'm being nice only saying 4. The rest of the world counts all 5, as they always will. That's how history remembers it.

 

[JYoung24]

I'm older than Durant. He barely has memories of even 2nd three peat MJ so I'll take my eye test over his YouTube clip viewing. I don't need analytics to know kobe was a volume scoring chucker

He wasn't no volume scorer shut up man