Kobe at 22 vs LeBron at 22
- Thread starter Alexander The Great
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How many time we have to debunk this garbage?
East defenses have been BETTER than West defenses for the last 15 years.
Kobe for his career averaged 25.4ppg on 45.2% shooting against the West and 24.2ppg on 43.9% shooting against the East.
Not to mention Kobe's playoff averages against the East are FAR worse than his playoff averages against the West.
The East had Detroit, Miami, Boston, Chicago, Indiana all running dominant defensive schemes in Kobe's era. The West had San Antonio and....that was it.
Kobe would have scored FEWER points if he had been in the East, not more.
All those links are prefaced with HIS GENERATION.
Kobe was in year 8 Lebron's rookie season. Good try tho.
And he'll never acknowledge that nearly all the quotes were before Lebron's greatest Finals victory and 3rd Finals MVP, when a lot of the holdouts finally put him over Kobe.
Clogging?Yeah easy blowouts...what a clogger
"Prime Shaq clogged the lane" has to be my all-time favorite argument for proving someone knows nothing whatsoever about basketball.
Multiple posters here have actually argued that old Shaq, Joel Anthony, Tristan Thompson, etc. make it easier for their teammates to score than prime Shaq.
When I ask them WHERE those players' defenders are then if they're not in the lane, they....don't know.
A bad offensive player who can't score clogs the lane MUCH more than a good offensive player who can score. Defenders can leave old Shaq/Joel Anthony/TT in order to collapse on their teammates, defenders could NOT leave prime Shaq. Defenders are constantly distracted by prime Shaq's presence, defenders weren't distracted in the least by old Shaq/Joel Anthony/Tristan Thompson's presence.
Of course, a big man who can shoot opens up the lane in a way that a big man who scores inside doesn't. But when you have two guys who can't shoot, the better offensive player typically clogs the lane LESS than the worse offensive player. If you don't understand that, you have no idea how defense/offense is played in the NBA.
When Shaq would get that deep post pass, it was an automatic two points. That's where Hack a Shaq came from. A #1 option clogging the lane makes no fukking sense. Something a 12 yr old would say.
Supreme365
Superstar
The best defender kobe faced during the three peat was kittles,
Shaq went head up with the DPOY who's now in the HOF
Supreme365
Superstar
Don't forget ppg assist, rebounds, steals, blocks, finals mvps, mvps, playoffs ppg, rebounds, assist, steals, blocks, more legendary playoff performances more durability and when it's all said and done will finish top 3 in scoring top 10 in assists and top 20 in boards other than that Kobe got bron beat
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
I think Swagnificent is more annoying because of how much he attempts to make himself look intelligent. He's the guy who uses big words but doesn't even know what they mean.Kobe scores 2 of the final 12 points - Kobe = "difference make in the clutch" because he got 1 assist.
Lebron scores 9 of the final 12 points - Lebron = "spectator" because Kyrie made one shot off the dribble with a minute left.
The funniest part is that Lebron's being attacked for letting Kyrie do his thing and not getting the assist on the play, but one month later they be screaming, "Bron always hogs the ball and has to get the assists, why doesn't he ever let Kyrie do his thing, it sucks to play with Bron! Bronball sucks!!!"
Hypocritical motherfukkers
Maybe I'm just biased because I blocked Sccit months ago and can't see those awful arguments anymore, but it feels like Swagnificent has become even worse than Sccit ever was.
Johnny Kilroy
79 points in 1 quarter
Did you really just try to discredit a man averaging a triple double in the Finals?
Name ONE other player in the entire history of the Finals to do that in any amount of minutes played.
What a clown.
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
Ands you ever notice that whenever swagnificent gets proven wrong his default is to defer to "Well, players and analysts said this. I'm not even gonna try to dissect why they might be right, but they said it so there!"
Argument from authority - Wikiquote
Pretend that players aren't just as prone to bias and stannery as any of us brehs.
Argument from authority - Wikiquote
Pretend that players aren't just as prone to bias and stannery as any of us brehs.
I've noticed that Kobe stand LOVE opinions, but bron stans can appreciate facts. Lebron IS more clutch in those situations, stats prove it. You can argue that the rest of everything else is situational because lebron has better stats in pretty much everything. Yeah we could argue that Kobe wasn't "the man" even though he had just as many touches so that shouldn't really impact him negatively but it's cool. It's like arguing what Kobe would have been like not drafted into a team with shaq etc. Cause if lebron somehow got on the spurs in 03' he'd be the goat and prolly beat bill Russell in rings. Also Wade said Jordan and bron are 1A 1B
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
put Kobe in the East and him as the Superstar he will easily average 40 points
look the better player carried buy his teammates in a clutch moments "not surprising"
vs the inferior Gawd carrying a bunch of garbage's in the clutch moments. /thread
I mean if you want to play this game:
i just posted the last 2 minutes of a game where Lebron guarding Kobe in all of that 3 clutch shots
while Lebron teammates making their shots. Lebron missing FT then Kobe guarding him for Lebron's last shot and here you are posting entire game highlights.
nice try
while Lebron teammates making their shots. Lebron missing FT then Kobe guarding him for Lebron's last shot and here you are posting entire game highlights.
nice try
Box Factory
hater
These dudes are clowns
"Shaq scored more"
Who was guarding him in the Finals?
Indiana had Rik Smitts, Dale Davis and Jeff Foster
Philly had Todd Macollough and a 35 year old Mutombo
New Jersey had Jason Collins and Todd Macollough (again but with a differen team), oh and Scalabrine
What shaq did to dikembe in that finals is one of the most insane demolitions of all time. Mutumbo was the DPOY that year and an amazing defender.
Shaq averaged 33pts 15rebs 5 asts and 3.5 blocks on 60% shooting against one of the best defensive big men ever.
That shyt was historic
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
If you actually bothered to watch those highlights you'd see several plays where LeBron outplays Kobe in the clutch. Like LeBron hitting the dagger in Kobe's grill in the '08 game.i just posted the last 2 minutes of a game where Lebron guarding Kobe in all of that 3 clutch shots
while Lebron teammates making their shots. Lebron missing FT then Kobe guarding him for Lebron's last shot and here you are posting entire game highlights.
nice try
My point is you're making a shytty ass case by using 1 or 2 games as the lynchpin of your argument when I can pull up games where the opposite happens. And then we'll just be arguing in circles.
Not only that but you're using inexperienced 21 year-old LeBron to make your point
. LeBron wasn't even a good defender until his fifth season!
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
It was horrifying to watch, and I'm one of the biggest Shaq stans on this board
. He was just demolishing him of simply backing him down on the low block. That ass kicking was the final straw that convinced the league they needed the zone. When a guy gets the 
while being matched with the defensive player of the year and puts up 2k numbers, there really isn't any other option 
Black_Panther_JS
Superstar
Did you really just try to discredit a man averaging a triple double in the Finals?
Name ONE other player in the entire history of the Finals to do that in any amount of minutes played.
What a clown.
Who cares if it's "in the Finals" if certain players would have played that long I guarantee they could do it
Russell averaged a Triple Double the whole season in like 34 minutes