Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

[NO-BadAzz]

I can't recall which clip it was and it wasn't a teacher he called a loser it was a 40 year old man that made 50k.



I dont have an incentive to make up stuff on KS. I don't know him. If you dont want to believe me, dont.

I found it

He says it when he asks the question to the chick, "dusty" or "does he say "average earner" 45k - 50k


Dude always says "average earner" when referring to those income levels

 

[HARLEM AL]

KS would consider it dusty and has stated such.
I only consider a man dusty if he meets any of the following:

- Doesn't have a life plan
- Desn't provide for himself in full (has roomates/stays with Mom) in areas outside of the most expense metropolises
- Is financially insecure (living pay check to pay check)
- Doesn't have a legit career

If he's over 26 and is any of the above hes dusty by my definition. That man is not prepared to have a wife because he can barely take care of himself.



I think it shifts back to men because many of us expect women to submit. We are supposed to be leading in our community. Leaders have the lion share of the responsibility. Objectively many of us aren't leading well. The ones that are have no issues getting women and don't blame them for anything. KS used to tear into guys but pivoted based on how is following and views jumped when he started getting on women.

KS says his show is catered to HVM but im willing to wager that most of his male audience is not HVM, is not anywhere close to HVM, and will never be HVM.

He never said that.

 

[HARLEM AL]

Compared to the 1960s
- Our community is doing worse fiscally (when adjusted for inflation)
- More children are being raised in broken homes
- We have a higher rate of incarceration

There are other things that I believe we are worse at now such as community, gender relations, emotional health, and resolve but those cant be quantified.

People like to stay its systemic (which is partially true). However, was the system more violent, pronounced, targeted and rigid now or in the 1960s? We figured it out then, how come we can figure it out now? That has to start with leadership, if we are doing worse we have to look at leadership first.

And men are supposed to be the leaders in our community.

Something happened around that time. I need you to look it up.

I'm noticing nikkas is sneaking in this thread talking out their ass like nikkas aint going to catch it. Any nikka that read Moynihan report would know what you talking about is bullshyt.

 

[HARLEM AL]

This I simply don't understand. Whenever anyone points out a shortcoming or an area women can improve, it always shifts back to the men. KS frequently states his show is catered to HVM / HENRYs, he doesn't associate with "dusty" men. The show is filled with women calling in wanting HVM / HENRYs. If you watch the show, you see women with the most fukked up of situations (overweight / old / children / average - below average in looks) wanting the world and truly believe they deserve it. This has not been the case for men. Men typically understand where they fall in the pecking order and stay within their lane, ultimately. Women rarely seem to understand this. There was recently a woman in FL that was every bit a 3 (her attitude was nice) but she truly believed she is a 6. How the hell does this even happen?

Men have had their wakeup call and we've always been told we need to do better. Now it's time for women to step up.

You already know what it is.

 

[Roid Jones]

He never said that.

True, I don't know where these dudes are getting their 'facts' from, with as much clarity KS puts on his points I don't understand how people still misquote him

 

[ogc163]

- Doesn't have a life plan
- Desn't provide for himself in full (has roomates/stays with Mom) in areas outside of the most expense metropolises
- Is financially insecure (living pay check to pay check)
- Doesn't have a legit career

If he's over 26 and is any of the above hes dusty by my definition. That man is not prepared to have a wife because he can barely take care of himself.

Most Black men over 26 have jobs and not careers, does that mean you think most of them are dusty? I'm primarily asking for clarification.

 

[Balla]

KS would consider it dusty and has stated such.
I only consider a man dusty if he meets any of the following:

- Doesn't have a life plan
- Desn't provide for himself in full (has roomates/stays with Mom) in areas outside of the most expense metropolises
- Is financially insecure (living pay check to pay check)
- Doesn't have a legit career

If he's over 26 and is any of the above hes dusty by my definition. That man is not prepared to have a wife because he can barely take care of himself.

A lot of men in trades can take care of themselves and black women have said they don’t want those men.

Men making the average income should be able to take care of themselves. Those women said they don’t want those men, even though the average Black man makes more than the average Black woman.

 

[Mike Nasty]

lot of men in trades can take care of themselves and black women have said they don’t want those men.

FWIW, I can't think of one single, childless black man that I work with. Don't believe the hype.

 

[Treblemaka]

Most Black men over 26 have jobs and not careers, does that mean you think most of them are dusty? I'm primarily asking for clarification.

The short answer is yes. But dusty is a mentality more so than an income in my opinion. That's why a teacher isn't dusty to me. He has a career even if he's underpaid, that's something he knew going into it and decided to do anyway. Which is noble.

I'm going to back off of dusty tho. Apparently it's a bit harsh and there are waaay too many dusty women that use that phrase that shouldn't. At 26 (8 years removed from HS) why is a man still trying to figure out his career? We all know that entry level factory work, retail, food service, hospitality, etc. is a place of great instability concerning income. 8 years removed from High School is enough time to get a Masters Degree with an additional 2 years in the work force, why is that man still wandering aimlessly in that amount of time? I know there are mitigating circumstances sometimes but it shouldn't be normal.

A man or woman that hasn't figured out how to keep a strong growing stable income isn't eligible for marriage to me (dating yes, marriage no).

A lot of men in trades can take care of themselves and black women have said they don’t want those men.

Men making the average income should be able to take care of themselves. Those women said they don’t want those men, even though the average Black man makes more than the average Black woman.

The fact that the tradesman doesn't get picked shows that many women are just as superficial as the men they complain about. They want the look more than the man sometimes. An HVAC specialist can go to school, graduate, get experience, form his own company and be making 6 figs before the lawyer they all lust after has passed the bar.

 

[Balla]

The fact that the tradesman doesn't get picked shows that many women are just as superficial as the men they complain about. They want the look more than the man sometimes. An HVAC specialist can go to school, graduate, get experience, form his own company and be making 6 figs before the lawyer they all lust after has passed the bar.

Exactly, that’s they point Kevin is trying to make. These women claim they don’t want these men because they are not college educated.

I don’t know how people confuse average income and tradesmen as “dusty”.

Kevin has never said to date a broke man ever, but time and time again women keep saying he’s telling them to date the guy who works fast food.

The craziest part about it is that Black men make more than Black women, and Black men are in higher earning fields like engineering compared to Black women.

You can’t tell me that it isn’t ludicrous that a woman can be out of shape, have kids, a baby daddy, never married, and demand to have a man that makes 100k+.

Meanwhile men are shamed if they aren’t making 100k but want to holla at fine chicks.

I don’t know where this stuff is coming from that most black men sit around and play 2k while their woman is making all this money and working her ass off.

I have not seen this in real life or know people like this.

Also, fine women with no baggage aren’t calling into KS’ shows and can find men who want them.

I get you wanna put men in the blame because men are supposed to lead, but it’s not right that these women can talk down on black men like they’re nothing because they make average income while black women make less.

All I wanna ask is what type of man should a woman that I described get?

 

[Balla]

FWIW, I can't think of one single, childless black man that I work with. Don't believe the hype.

You in a trade? I’m just going off what I hear online, I don’t hear this from their mouths offline, but I can see them saying that.

 

[Mike Nasty]

You in a trade? I’m just going off what I hear online, I don’t hear this from their mouths offline, but I can see them saying that.

Yeah,..

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

FWIW, I can't think of one single, childless black man that I work with. Don't believe the hype.

This.

 

[Treblemaka]

Exactly, that’s they point Kevin is trying to make. These women claim they don’t want these men because they are not college educated.

I don’t know how people confuse average income and tradesmen as “dusty”.

Kevin has never said to date a broke man ever, but time and time again women keep saying he’s telling them to date the guy who works fast food.

The craziest part about it is that Black men make more than Black women, and Black men are in higher earning fields like engineering compared to Black women.

You can’t tell me that it isn’t ludicrous that a woman can be out of shape, have kids, a baby daddy, never married, and demand to have a man that makes 100k+.

Meanwhile men are shamed if they aren’t making 100k but want to holla at fine chicks.

I don’t know where this stuff is coming from that most black men sit around and play 2k while their woman is making all this money and working her ass off.

I have not seen this in real life or know people like this.

Also, fine women with no baggage aren’t calling into KS’ shows and can find men who want them.

I get you wanna put men in the blame because men are supposed to lead, but it’s not right that these women can talk down on black men like they’re nothing because they make average income while black women make less.

All I wanna ask is what type of man should a woman that I described get?

I'll answer your last question first and go backward.

That women you described usually gets the leftovers of men or an average man that can't really provide for her completely, if she gets married at all. It's more likely she's getting ran through. Regardless of what Kevin says, that's what I've seen. I don't disagree with most of what KS says, I just think (especially reading the comments) that alot of his male audience uses his talking points to justify their own issues.

I'm not blaming anyone I'm assigning responsibility. What kind of King (black man) has a kingdom (our community) in disarray and blames the queen (black women) for it? Women talk down on black men that either have high standards for women that they'll never get or when they are over the internet. And so what if they do? Who gives a shxt, im not chasing her so let her talk. It has no effect on my life.

Women don't talk crazy to me (to my face anyway), I don't stay around birds, don't chase them or thirst for them, and my demeanor and conversation doesn't scream fukboy or desperation. If she starts talking like a bird I move her to the smash category, or out of my life completely. I don't value the opinion of a bird or a fukboy.

KS never said date a broke man ever but always asks women "do you want to have to work while your pregnant?" The average man (40k-50k) can't support a 2 person household for 9 months by himself let alone some kids. Im assuming he does this to show women their standard is to high but no women (and most men) don't want to have to work in any situation if they don't have to.

So he aint broke but he can't support a family almost anywhere in the country either.

 

[Easy-E]

Yeah,..

This.

The info is here.

Census Bureau Releases First Ever Report on Men’s Fertility

• About 1% of white, Asian and Hispanic men ages 15 to 19 are fathers, compared with about 3% of black men of the same age.
• Among men ages 20 to 29, 21.2% of white men, 24.9% of black men, 12.4% of Asian men, and 29.4% of Hispanic men are fathers.

Men's Fertility & Fatherhood: 2014

KS would consider it dusty and has stated such.
I only consider a man dusty if he meets any of the following:

- Doesn't have a life plan
- Desn't provide for himself in full (has roomates/stays with Mom) in areas outside of the most expense metropolises
- Is financially insecure (living pay check to pay check)
- Doesn't have a legit career

If he's over 26 and is any of the above hes dusty by my definition. That man is not prepared to have a wife because he can barely take care of himself.

You think the large majority of black people are dusty.