Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly | (Discussion Thread) *Stream*

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From Reddit :ohhh:

The entire album is explained in Kendrick's story to Pac

In the end of Mortal Man, Kendrick reads a story to Pac about his life from the perspective of a caterpillar:

“The caterpillar is a prisoner to the streets that conceived it. Its only job is to eat or consume everything around it, in order to protect itself from this mad city. While consuming its environment, the caterpillar begins to notice ways to survive. One thing it noticed is how much the world shuns him, but praises the butterfly. The butterfly represents the talent, the thoughtfulness, and the beauty within the caterpillar. But having a harsh outlook on life, the caterpillar sees the butterfly as weak and figures out a way to pimp it to his own benefits. Already surrounded by this mad city the caterpillar goes to work on the coc00n which institutionalizes him. He can no longer see past his own thoughts. He’s trapped. When trapped inside these walls, certain ideas start to take roots, such as going home, and bringing back new concepts to this mad city. The result? Wings begin to emerge, breaking the cycle of feeling stagnant. Finally free, the butterfly sheds light on situations that the caterpillar never considered, ending the eternal struggle. Although the butterfly and caterpillar are completely different, they are one and the same."

Looking at this, it recaps each song in chronological order.

-“The caterpillar is a prisoner to the streets that conceived it Its only job is to eat or consume everything around it, in order to protect itself from this mad city While consuming its environment the caterpillar begins to notice ways to survive" this part of how story recaps 'Wesley's Theory'. The song basically describes Kendrick's life pre-fame. The first line says "When I get signed, homie I'mma act a fool Hit the dance floor, strobe lights in the room Snatch your little secretary bytch for the homies" The caterpillar (Kendrick) is gaining fame by "eating everything around him" and hustling, and notices ways to survive.

-"One thing it noticed is how much the world shuns him, but praises the butterfly" this line recaps 'For Free (Interlude)'. The song starts with a chick yelling at Kendrick saying "fukk you, motherfukker, you a ho-ass nikka I don't know why you trying to go big, nikka you ain't shyt Walking around like you God's gift to Earth, nikka you ain't shyt" showing how the "caterpillar" is being shunned. She then ends her rant with "You won't know, you gonna lose on a good bytch My other nikka is on, you off" showing how she praises the butterfly.

-"The butterfly represents the talent, the thoughtfulness, and the beauty within the caterpillar But having a harsh outlook on life the caterpillar sees the butterfly as weak and figures out a way to pimp it to his own benefits" this part embodies the same message as 'King Kunta'. In the song Kendrick expresses how he has grown to become a big influence and a king, much like a caterpillar grows into a butterfly.

-"Already surrounded by this mad city the caterpillar goes to work on the coc00n which institutionalizes him He can no longer see past his own thoughts" this one is more apparent, it clearly recaps the song 'Institutionalized'. He says in the intro "I'm trapped inside the ghetto and I ain't proud to admit it Institutionalized, I keep runnin' back for a visit" so he is saying that he is institutionalized into the ghetto.

-"He’s trapped. When trapped inside these walls, certain ideas start to take roots, such as going home, and bringing back new concepts to this mad city" this line is also clear, it represents 'These Walls'. The walls in the story represent the caterpillars coc00n, but in the song they could represent Kendrick's past experiences, perhaps of something that happened in the hotel room that he continuously refers to, because when people use the phrase "if these walls could talk" they are usually reminiscing about past experiences that occurred in that very room. I also think 'u' and 'Alright' are from the perspective of the caterpillar inside the coc00n. 'These Walls' and 'u' are both very dark, while 'Alright' gets more uplifting and explains how he and his homies will be alright.

-"The result? Wings begin to emerge, breaking the cycle of feeling stagnant" this line could represent 'For Sale' as well as 'Momma'. 'For Sale' talks about Kendrick's troubles with Lucy (Lucifer), which could represent the butterfly emerging from the coc00n and dealing with troubles outside of its walls. 'Momma' explains how Kendrick returns to Compton and feels guilty for abandoning his city, which the butterfly could feel as he returns to the real world after spending so much time in the coc00n.

-"Finally free, the butterfly sheds light on situations that the caterpillar never considered, ending the eternal struggle" this line encapsulates the next three songs, 'Hood Politics', 'How Much a Dollar Cost', 'Complexion', and 'Blacker the Berry'. Kendrick is shedding light on these important issues such as the problems in the hood, poverty, and racial issues.

-"Although the butterfly and caterpillar are completely different, they are one and the same." This last line of the story raps up the last two songs (prior to Mortal Man), 'You Ain't Gotta Lie' and 'i'. You Ain't Gotta Lie and 'i' contrast in sound, as YAGL is more chill while i is really upbeat. This could represent the differences between the caterpillar and the butterfly. This contrast helps them stand out though, much like the caterpillar and butterfly rely on each other to exist.

In the beginning, Kendrick (the caterpillar) is alone and small. In the end, Kendrick (the butterfly) has completely changed and become something large and full of life with new ideas and outlooks. To Pimp a Butterfly.


Poetry in motion, brehs. Classic. fukk. That shyt went over my head...it's LAYERS to this shyt, brehs. :wow:
 

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people (really just napoleaon and other people hating for the sake of balancing out the people that like the album) talking about kendrick rehasing old peoples music missing the point that he is bringing this type of music back to the mainstream. aubrey could have if he wanted but lesbihonest he doesnt have the experience with black culture to do something like this. he is just getting acclimated to black culture right now

kendrick brought the roots of black music back to the mainstream at a time where we got bruno mars and others ripping off our classics and sitting at the top of the billboard

this album was a salute and a call back to a few of the best moments in recent black music with the jazz neo soul and funk. honestly even if you dont like it, as a black person in this country you have to appreciate what he just put out there. not a true radio single song on there (except maybe "alright"), he just went straight for the music and feeling with this one
We've got people complaining about Mark Ronson, Bruno Mars, Robin Thicke and other artists being culture vultures, but when Kendrick actually gets great artists from the past and present to work on a cohesive project it's "We've heard this before:camby:"

:dahell:

An album with George Clinton, Bilal, Thundercat, Flying Lotus, Lalah Hathaway, Taz, Robert Glasper, Ronald Isley will probably go plat, but we're not supposed to be impressed because other artists have made music with jazz/soul/funk influences:dwillhuh:
 

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We've got people complaining about Mark Ronson, Bruno Mars, Robin Thicke and other artists being culture vultures, but when Kendrick actually gets great artists from the past and present to work on a cohesive project it's "We've heard this before:camby:"

:dahell:

An album with George Clinton, Bilal, Thundercat, Flying Lotus, Lalah Hathaway, Taz, Robert Glasper, Ronald Isley will probably go plat, but we're not supposed to be impressed because other artists have made music with jazz/soul/funk influences:dwillhuh:

Their just being contrarian.
 

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Another good interpretation:

My assessment of the album thematically:


Starts off sort of expository, talking about the state of the black man in America, sort of passively looking at the world around him and making comments about it, all of it slowly building and making his position seem more and more insurmountable. Then, it transitions into really sad shyt. The black man starts to think "is it my fault? yeah, it's my fault. this is hopeless. everything is gonna be shyt forever." with "u", and then he realizes that things are gonna be "alright" in the end, and he starts looking for ways to fix his situation.


He looks to religion for help but realizes he can't change who the Devil ("Lucy") is and what he's gonna do on "For Sale?". He looks to his family for advice and they tell him to come home so he does and begins to examine his environment. He looks to see if he can fix the system all around him and blames that system on "Hood Politics", but realizes he can't. He looks at economic realities of his own situation and how they contribute to his depression and his situation on "How Much A Dollar Cost", and realizes he can't change those either. He looks at the issues of colors and race specifically in the hood on "Complexion," and realizes that maybe he can't change how other people view race, but he can change how he views race, and herein comes the revelation about self change over systematic change.


He begins to realize that, really, it's not about trying to fight the system and the world around you to change it, but to begin change by changing yourself. That one needs to reflect one one's own faults before one can turn to the faults of the world around them. Maybe the faults of the world around a person are more influential, but a person can't control those as easily as they can themselves, and everyone needs a starting point.


Then he gets to "The Blacker The Berry" where he looks at everyone else in the neighborhood and tells them what he's realized, only he's super fukking mad at them all for having believed what he used to believe in: fighting the system, being militant, being a fighter. Because of all the violence and death it's caused for decades, they've almost set themselves back instead of pushed themselves forward. On "You Ain't Gotta Lie", he almost takes one friend to the side who he thinks might realize this reality he told people in TBTB, and says that he doesn't have to try to be like everyone else. That he can make a change on a personal level. This personal message is driven home as he realizes the only way for him to truly begin to be happy and for the world of black america to change is to find it within himself and for others to find that happiness and change within themselves and their communities on "i", and then the whole thing is wrapped in a pretty thematic bow on "Mortal Man" with the story of the caterpillar.


In summary: Kendrick points out the realities of the world around them and begins to feel hopeless because of them, his character is almost driven to suicide, but decides that really, in the end, things will be good. Then he begins to examine the world around him that's caused this nihilism in the black community: these things which've proven to be near-unchangeable. After realizing why they've felt all this, Kendrick decides the only way to begin change is to change yourself. This is why the broader connection to depression.
 

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This album dropped and quite literally overnight, nikkas in the Booth have turned into funk/jazz connoisseurs :mjlol:

Yeah...you went from bumpin Gucci, Ross, and Drake....now all of a sudden you're dusting off Miles Coltrane and Parliament-Funkadelic records to appreciate songs Kendrick don't even sound comfortable on

Not saying it's not possible....but for YOU nikkaS? :laff:


There may not be an objective opinion on this album from this subforum until April-May :wow:
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Check the post history breh.
I have no problem talking about Jazz, Funk, Hip Hop, R&B etc.
Hell I was one of only a handful of posters on here talking about Ambrose Akinmusire who
dropped a DOPE Jazz record last year.
 

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Word!:sas1: @GoldenGlove

















:dwillhuh:Uhhh...what about all the times Lupe:lupe: has his sister doing spoken word on various cuts/intros/interludes/etc. tho?:francis: Or are you saying her's just isn't "amazing"?
You must've thought it was cool to like spoken word on a K. Dot album, yet forgetting and shytting on the originator, Ayesha Jaco.:lolbron:





























Also, Prisoner 2 had him doing a different voice for that EXACT same purpose my dude, lol!:youngsabo:

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Doesn't matter because Lupe is not Kendrick, so it doesn't count breh. Simple as that.
 
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Poetry in motion, brehs. Classic. fukk. That shyt went over my head...it's LAYERS to this shyt, brehs. :wow:

:patrice:this album deep as it gets. Props to KDot for making pure art when he could just be easing by off throwaway bangers at this stage in his career :whew:
 

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when is the non edited version coming out?
its been out breh

the dirty itunes explicit is out

i got it off boxden last night. don't listen to the clean version because there is so much profane language on here
 

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This is far too cryptic breh, he ain't have to do all that shyt
:camby:

No it's not. It's right under your nose. :dwillhuh:

I mean at the end of each segment of the poem, the poem is reiterated so you can follow along with how it relates :dwillhuh:

The only thing that's cryptic is that there's underlying stories that don't relate to the poem at all, but are equally important.
 
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