Kendrick Lamar is amazing but Lupe Fiasco's concepts,metaphors,swag would trample him - Mickey Factz

[DonRe]

Every body’s a hater and everyone is a stan. Everybody’s biter. Everybody’s everything and nothing.

Ya nikkas live in extremeties. Lupe to me
Is the best lyrically I have ever heard. Bar for bar a fukkin monster. Alien.

Kendrick is great artist. Amazing flow and cadence and a true poet. Makes better music currently than Lupe.

But Kendrick is levels below Lupe when it comes to entredres, imagery, wordplay.

Lupe raps to show you his mastery of this shyt.

Kendrick raps to tell his story and create a world he has drawn up. Which Lupe use to do but moved on after the cool.

 

[Chip Skylark]

Every body’s a hater and everyone is a stan. Everybody’s biter. Everybody’s everything and nothing.

Ya nikkas live in extremeties. Lupe to me
Is the best lyrically I have ever heard. Bar for bar a fukkin monster. Alien.

Kendrick is great artist. Amazing flow and cadence and a true poet. Makes better music currently than Lupe.

But Kendrick is levels below Lupe when it comes to entredres, imagery, wordplay.

Lupe raps to show you his mastery of this shyt.

Kendrick raps to tell his story and create a world he has drawn up. Which Lupe use to do but moved on after the cool.

This pretty much sums if up

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

All this technical/artsy fartsy talk


That's shyt white folks and other foreigners have to grab onto just to feel apart of the culture.

They'll also use those same elements to hijack it from you.Now all of a sudden, they're the "experts"

They're judging what's good or not.Placed in the seat of authority---judging the technicalities.


Bars...breath control....assonance....metaphors...multis----fukk outta here with that.

We from the school of Negro Spirituals.Just spit it from your heart and put some soul on it.

We gone feel it.Simple as that.People that can't really connect it to spiritually, compensate with all this technical jargon.

Robotic society azz niccaz.Guarantee none of these dudes stand the test of time

nikka Pleaseeee

All that Negro Spiritual shyt is an argument for Percy or Eazy...When honkies were going to Poison shows nikkax were debating who was the sharpest...Kane, G Rap, Rakim, KRS, DOC etc Don't try to shape the narrative like Kendrick isn't trying to do anything but make music nikkax can feel...he's supposed to be the lyrical king Plus it's ironic you're chastising people for being robotic yet we are talking about...Kendrick Lamar lol

 

[NoHalfWay]

Tracks like that, or Dear Mama, or Where Have You Been by Jay (Beans part) and Tragedy's Crying On The Inside are all Hip Hop tracks that show way more superior writing talent than anything I've heard from Lupe, at least recent Lupe.

I see you had to leave yourself some wiggle room there.

I’ma just leave this here for you hatin azz nikkaz

 

[Versa]

Well Lupe Fiasco is obviously a better rapper in pretty much every facet.

What makes Kendrick special is his ability to craft songs and cohesive, creative bodies of work. He's also a talented emcee in his own right, but also comparing his rap abilities to a guy like Lupe is unfair.

You compare Lupe's rapping abilities to the Nas', Black Thoughts, Andre 3000s and Jay-Zs of the world, not Kendrick Lamar.

 

[Billy Ocean]

keep exposing yaself, peabrain

How is @Master Teacher exposing himself? He's absolutely correct. Why should a verse be complex to be considered good? Is Lupe rapping about the projects on Day Dreamin better than Prodigy on Streets Raised Me? I like Daydreamin and the concept but as a kid who grew up in the projects it doesn't give me the feel like Prodigy's lines on Streets Raised Me:

Vision the canvas, I paint a picture
Similar to Ernie Barnes nikka
But mines is more ghetto, more guns, more drugs, mostly thugs
All my duns, their baby moms, daughters and sons
Dark blocks, with streets lamps shot the fukk out
Park benches broke, a nikka stretched out
Jumped off the roof to his death, its real
Hand Ball walls displayed with areR- I-P murals
Those who sling, play the shadows by the building
Devils Spring, keep em going while the snows blowing
Grams get dipped, 50's are moked, cookies are broke
And spliced in large pieces for the fiends to smoke
The sunset looks beautiful over the projects
What a shame, it ain't the same where we stand at
If you look close you can see the bricks chipped off
Sometimes nikkas miss when they lick off don't get clipped off


That is poetry. That imagery is waaaay more powerful than ANY verse on Daydreamin. AND THAT IS WHY I SAY THAT YOU LUPE STANS HAVE A WARPED DEFINITION OF LYRICISM. Being able to convey those images in short lines takes waaaaay more skill than whatever the fukk Lupe be doing. That is lyricism to me. That is potent writing. That is true MCing.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

nikka Pleaseeee

All that Negro Spiritual shyt is an argument for Percy or Eazy...When honkies were going to Poison shows nikkax were debating who was the sharpest...Kane, G Rap, Rakim, KRS, DOC etc Don't try to shape the narrative like Kendrick isn't trying to do anything but make music nikkax can feel...he's supposed to be the lyrical king Plus it's ironic you're chastising people for being robotic yet we are talking about...Kendrick Lamar lol

I don't even fukk with Kendrick.Check my post history

Furthermore, I don't consider Kane, G Rap, Rakim, KRS, or DOC robotic/artsy fartsy rappers.

The sphere of black consciousness was altogether different back then.Shyt turned plastic around the turn of the century.

 

[No1]

I really tried to get into Tetsuo & Youth. I liked Food & Liquor 2 somewhat (though I feel it shouldn't have been called F&L2) and from the early reviews of T&Y thought he was back to the seemingly otherworldly ability he had to make relatable, meaningful music while simultaneously delivering layered, complex, unparalleled lyrics. Trust, I realize how crazy it is to expect that of any artist, but he'd already done it and I saw no reason he couldn't do it again. But to me, T&Y, while boasting much improved production, would be better appreciated read on a page than listened to through headphones. Or recited acapella in URL battles rather than listened through headphones. A guy who had nothing to prove to anyone when it came to lyricism became completely absorbed by proving how lyrical he is.

So do I think Lu is hating on Kendrick? Absolutely not. Lupe thinks he's superior lyrically, and he is. But there seems to be a disconnect where people are assuming crowning Kendrick as the best rapper means he's being crowned the best of every category of rapping. Just like conversely, crowning Lupe the best lyricist doesn't mean he's the best rapper.

Then of course there's the age old debate over the word lyrical/lyricist/lyricism in general, and that's never going to end.

He is reacting to Kendrick fans calling him the best lyricist and saying he can outrap anybody. And honestly, this is the only reason Kendrick has any backlash. People go in looking to hear 3stacks or Hov or Nas...or dare I say, young Lupe.

 

[The Mad Titan]

Its like yall comparing a brain surgeon and a general practitioner


Kendrick and Lupe are both rappers but they specialize in to different fields of expertise. If people stop stanning long enough they can see this.


They both masters of the game one is just more specialized than the other, which could be great or bad depending on what you need. Most people go to a general practitioner kind of regularly but how many people really going to a brain surgeon? Still you have to respect the dedication and craft and skill the surgeon has even if you can't really understand it or never even find a use for it.



The Cool>>>>all kendricks albums to me as a complete project. T&Y is duckworth in album form, it so many layers to lupe's


Even with that said I still enjoy kendricks music and features way more on average than a lupe track. But a hit lupe track I can eat off and break down and enjoy for what feels like forever, it never feels like a fad or trend its just classic. And I pick up on something new on older tracks still to this day.... I dont know how that man does it.

 

[Billy Ocean]

He is reacting to Kendrick fans calling him the best lyricist and saying he can outrap anybody. And honestly, this is the only reason Kendrick has any backlash. People go in looming yo hear 3stacks or Hov or Nas...or dare I say, young Lupe.

Why does he give a fukk what Kendrick fans are saying? The nikka just straight hating cause more people fukk with Kendrick shyt than his. Way more. That's it. Bottom line. Tell weird boy just to rap and cut that weirdo nerd shyt out.

 

[Master Teacher]

Too many childish arguments in these kind of threads.

You can't shyt on Lupe for Lasers, then in the same post use him being overly lyrical as a diss when the only reason Lasers is labelled a dud, is cause it was less lyrical


There's gotta be a distinction. Certain criticisms should be reserved for fans unless you just wanna be a clown.

Some points are "fan arguments" i.e. you gotta be someone who already thought dude was like that to even present that in the convo.


for example, "Lasers was weak" or "He fell off after the cool" means you're saying from mixtapes to albums up until lasers HE WAS THAT nikka.

you can't then turn around and say he was a trash rappity rappity lyrical nikka when that was the whole reason HE WAS THAT nikka in the first place


nikkas talkin out both sides of they mouth w/ this shyt Y'all grown man....

Nothing to do with being lyrical

wack is wack

the laser shyt was trash, period, it wasn't good

its getting done or not getting done, shyt is either fire or it's not, all these excuses ain't gonna change that

 

[Master Teacher]

This thread is weird as hell. Lupe is not that complicated he just has a lot of entendres.

This is what happens with rap fans when they are spoiled. Lupe is great because he uses more than the handful of words that most rappers know.

As for storytelling Lupe has that too. Kendrick does songs in a character's perspective and does it alright, nothing amazing.

Meanwhile Lupe on Put you on Game. He Say, She Say, Prisoners.

Saying he's too lyrical is a lazy excuse to broadstroke him out of rapping. You can tell who actually listened to a Lupe album in here and who didn't.

These songs ain't fire tho

musically the shyt is lackluster

its getting it done or not getting it done

these joints ain't getting it done

 

[No1]

Why does he give a fukk what Kendrick fans are saying? The nikka just straight hating cause more people fukk with Kendrick shyt than his. Way more. That's it. Bottom line. Tell weird boy just to rap and cut that weirdo nerd shyt out.

He was asked and responded like always. Calm down. This nikka has answered this question multiple times even when asked about Cole (said he has a lot of game in him) but only k. dot fans get mad.

 

[Monsanto]

These songs ain't fire tho

musically the shyt is lackluster

its getting it done or not getting it done

these joints ain't getting it done

Your opinion is so abstract that it could be used for any song.

Musically Humble is lackluster

It's getting it done or not getting it done...

Without defining how you find it lackluster you don't give credence to your opinion and should keep quiet.

That's what this thread is, an abstract dumping on Lupe because he is more eloquent and lyrical than Kendrick and people can't fathom that there is an artist better than him. Guarantee these people have Kendrick in the top 10 as well as an artist with three classics. 4 for section.80

 

[Versa]

By the way, the fact this is 3 page thread where ya'll comparing Kendrick's talent as a rapper to the guy who wrote "Failure", "Hurt Me Soul", "The Coolest", "Put You On Game", "Theme Music to a Drive By", "Mural" and "Prisoner 1 & 2" is why this is one of the worst forums on this website. Barely behind The Locker Room.

Ya'll gotta do better. This is laughable, really.