Kendrick Lamar is amazing but Lupe Fiasco's concepts,metaphors,swag would trample him - Mickey Factz

[CookisaCac]

yeah billy ocean is remedial

 

[ZEB WALTON]

@Billy Ocean can you name 20 classic inspectah deck solo songs? probably not. can you name 10?

cant believe i have to backup this opinion but idk why yall getting mad cause i think lus dope. i cant put everyone in wutang over lupe lol.

i dont need people to recite deck versesd to me i know them. like i said deck is good for a killer 16 every song. but he is NOT a song WRITER. and that is part of what makes someone a truly great writer

 

[Billy Ocean]

lupe uses way more literary techniques than deck. doesnt make it better or worse, but dude is doing MORE than deck ever did so one could say that yes, lupe is more advanced. lu has variety in his music deck will never have as much as i love dude. this is just a fact as most of decks catalog circles the same 4-5 subjects. variety is the spice of life. if deck had more variety he would be seen as a bigger solo artist than he is, yet hes seen as a team player when he prolly drops teh best verses on every wu release. i think in 2018 its pretty much a fact that deck is not the top mc solo wise from wu or even in the top half. meth, rae, ghost, odb, rza, gza and cap all had better solo careers for a reason. deck lacked the intangibles to be a single star.

and you know im the biggest wu stan here dude but cmon now. the only deck that can go up against lupe is wutangforever deck. imo deck and nas are almost the same rapper .. but nas took it pLaces deck never did. nas does shyt like lu like writing songs backwards or using different rhying techniques.

why yall saying lu doing those weird songs means nothing but thats a reason why nas is still one of the goats. he takes risks, which i appreciate.

deck is good for a DOPE street 16 bar verse. everytime. but guys like nas and lu will take it way passed a 16 into something incredibly deep. deck never wrote a story as good as the cool or undying love, but id say he could match both guys 16 to 16. actually, he prolly has... but lu and nas got like 5x as many as deck has.

lupe has made more heartfelt songs and i thionk if anyone could match deck with his triumph verse, itd be lu.

does he think he smarter than everyone else... maybe. i dont know his personality like that but i can easily say pretty much EVERY lu album better than decks. if deck was THAT good, hed be able to hold down a solo but i think we all know by now that aint happening

and i love deck dude but ghostface level he is not.rae drops the same typa verse everytime too but raes verses all feel fresh while deck not so much so.

i mean as a wu fan i wanna say i like everyone in wu more than lupe and kendrick but im tryna be realistic... lupe is a dope rapper. prolly THE BEST lyricist of HIS generation and one of the last true lyricists left of the "new" class.

im actually suprised you dont like lu as id figure hes right up yur alley.

I ain't even reading NONE of that shyt just off the first sentence. Who the fukk CARES HOW MANY LITERARY TECHNIQUES THAT nikka USES??? The outcome is ALL that matters. All that shyt he does and the verses and music is either trash or subpar. Weak MCing.

 

[HARLEM AL]

well tell me what I meant.

Anybody that watched boxing knows Keith isn’t that good. And dude isn’t fun to watch.i don’t know what you are trying to say playa.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

I ain't even reading NONE of that shyt just off the first sentence. Who the fukk CARES HOW MANY LITERARY TECHNIQUES THAT nikka USES??? The outcome is ALL that matters. All that shyt he does and the verses and music is either trash or subpar. Weak MCing.

bro why ya acting up today? you ask me questions and dont read nothing. this thread is about if lupe is a great writer. and he is. how can you call someone a advanced writer if you cant list the techniques dude does to be advanced. yur asking me questions and then not even taking it in. talking to me like a kindergardener

he does the same shyt nas do but yall i guess dont like lu for some reasona nd looking for reasons to hate on him.

im still tryna figure out what my opinion on inspectah deck means to this thread.

how can you compare a guy with 3 shytty solos and a bucnha classic guests spots to a guy whos been dropping quality releases time in and time out.

why the lupe hate

 

[Billy Ocean]

@Billy Ocean can you name 20 classic inspectah deck solo songs? probably not. can you name 10?

cant believe i have to backup this opinion but idk why yall getting mad cause i think lus dope. i cant put everyone in wutang over lupe lol.

i dont need people to recite deck versesd to me i know them. like i said deck is good for a killer 16 every song. but he is NOT a song WRITER. and that is part of what makes someone a truly great writer

Can you name 20 classic Lupe solo songs? And when I mean classic I mean shyt that your average Hip Hop listener would recognize. Not some shyt yall nerds label as classic. Deck got whole verses that 20 something year olds can recite. Lupe? Not so much.

 

[Billy Ocean]

he does the same shyt nas do

O shyt. Ok, I'm done with you in this thread.

 

[NoHalfWay]

The only reason why The Cool and Lasers did the same just albums wise is because Lasers came out during the itunes/singles era. His singles on Lasers did much better than his previous singles. He actually made more money. That is why he became Ferrari Lu, he specifically stated he made enough off Lasers to go out and buy Ferraris.

I never said Lasers made him successful. I am saying that he felt 'forced' to make certain records because naturally, he doesn't make the best records because his ear for beats is meh. I agree 1000% with @West Coast Avenger on it. When the label helped him pick better beats and work on songs he didn't initially want to, it worked out well for everyone.

Of course Atlantic wants a piece, this is a business guys.

This isn't true tho.

Kick Push which gained national attention and radio play wasn't even supposed to be on an album. Soundtrakk produced that record, Atlantic really had nothing to do with it.

Soundtrakk and Matthew Santos are in-house 1st & 15th artist.

They let Lupe do what he wanted with The Cool. Hence why Dumb It Down, of all songs, was the first single. Then the same trio that did album cuts on Lu's first album like American Terrorist churned out Superstar, which became a hit.

The song had a perfect mix of lyrics, production, and accessibility for radio. Outside of marketing (which they're supposed to do for their artists) y'all give the label too much credit. Lupe is an exceptional songwriter.

Yeah Atlantic smashed it out the park with later hits they gave to Lupe, but they could've let him continue to make his own successful records without dividing his fanbase.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Anybody that watched boxing knows Keith isn’t that good. And dude isn’t fun to watch.i don’t know what you are trying to say playa.

that's exactly where I'm getting at. He's rated as the #1 ww in the world as he's terrified of Spence, Crawford and anyone with a heartbeat at 147, whereas KL is rated as the best MC in the world and anyone with an unbiased pair of good ears can tell you that's bullshyt

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Can you name 20 classic Lupe solo songs? And when I mean classic I mean shyt that your average Hip Hop listener would recognize. Not some shyt yall nerds label ass classic. Deck got whole verses that 20 something year olds can recite. Lupe? Not so much.

i can name every lupe single that did numbers and that list would be 5x longer than any solo deck list even tho his career was half as long.

im still tryna figure out why your asking me about deck vs lupe and then telling me my reasons arent valid. how else can someone judge a writer if not to critique what they are doing.

heres question to you. wheres deck rank vs nas? if nas was 1.. would deck be close or not even sniff nas? lupe and nas are VERY similar.

ya can big up nas for using metaphors on i gave you power but ignore when lupe uses em? both lupe and nas are way better song writers than deck

 

[mobbinfms]

Who the fukk CARES HOW MANY LITERARY TECHNIQUES THAT nikka USES???

This is where discussing hip hop on the internet really departs from how we discussed this shyt in real time in the 90s. Nobody brought up literary techniques. We didn't get overly technical in discussing this shyt. You knew when somebody was killing shyt. Everybody did.

 

[Billy Ocean]

This is where discussing hip hop on the internet really departs from how we discussed this shyt in real time in the 90s. Nobody brought up literary techniques. We didn't get overly technical in discussing this shyt. You knew when somebody was killing shyt. Everybody did.

Riiiiiight. nikkas wasn't talking about who used more literary tools or who had the most obscure references. These dudes in here really acting like they are proving to people that Lupe is the best by bringing up this shyt. All that literary shyt is irrelevant if the end product is soulless...if it doesn't move you and give you that when you hear it...I don't wanna hear it. These dudes in here talking about they finally deciphered some nerd shyt from a Lupe verse several years later. Off a song that nobody gives a fukk about.

 

[Preach Jackson]

If thats the case why Lu don't throw jabs at jcole? Jcole just as hot as Kendrick. Maybe because jcole doesn't constantly ripoff Lupe just to troll him..

well cole doesn't have a control verse it all started there. he had fire response to it btw. why lupe is still bringing a 5 year old verse that's the reason i say he's bitter. now where are these constant ripoffs, some artwork with stars on it for a song called all the stars?. see cosigning logic who openly steals from kendrick and plenty others throws that argument out the window.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

O shyt. Ok, I'm done with you in this thread.

thats prolly for the best cause idk why ya getting so irritated. you asked questions and then dont wanna hear the answers cause you dont like what you hear. i aint @SirBiatch breh no need to get mad. your acting like i dissed you personally

if you cant see nas and lupe use similar writing techniques when nas is lupes prime influence idk what to tell you. all cause you dont like lu doesnt mean he doesnt try to shark nas. songs like rewind, i gave you power, one love, one mic, fox news, etc all use the same premises lu uses. lupe has entire albums centered around techniques nas developed.
if anything your underrating lupe like crazy. i know decks dope. but i also know lus dope which you dont seem to be able to acknowledge.

01-nas------------05-raekwon------------10-deck.

on that scale, lupe is closer to nas and rae than deck. deck is like the 5th best solo mc in wutang. i have a feeling if lupe was in the killa beez youd have him somewhere by islord and shogun assassin so its prolly best not to have a conversation bout his merits if you cant see hes a more than capable mc. if he wasnt you wouldnt hear him with jay or kanye or nas or whoever.

dudes nice man cmon now lmao. the whole world knows deck is good for a 16 and dude cant make a song. if he could he wouldnt be stuck rhyming with esoteric as a MAGNA Superhero (something you JUST dissed lu for but decks in a group that IS a comic book). like i said, you cant name 10 deck solos that got ANYONE excited while I can name 10 PLATINUM Lu songs

This is where discussing hip hop on the internet really departs from how we discussed this shyt in real time in the 90s. Nobody brought up literary techniques. We didn't get overly technical in discussing this shyt. You knew when somebody was killing shyt. Everybody did.

@mobbinfms but this thread is ABOUT lu's usage of literary techniques. we dont got to talk about it to know it. thats why nas is considered DOPE and luke from 2 live crew is considered WACK. if nas talked and wrote about the same shyt luke did hed be wack too its because nas was ADVANCED that we all appreciate him.

and thats bullshyt cause rakim was seen as way ahead of his time BECAUSE of these "LITERARY" Techniques we are discussing now.

why dont yall give me 10 reasosn WHY deck is better than lupe WITHOUT using "literary" techniques... i bet you cant get passed 5. why did we say the new rappers of the 90s were better than the rappers of the 80s.. cause they were advanced. and used all those things that werew disucssed here already

 

[mobbinfms]

while I can name 10 PLATINUM Lu songs

Lupe has three platinum singles.
2 gold albums.
That's it.
Show Goes On did go Triple Plat though