Kendrick Lamar is amazing but Lupe Fiasco's concepts,metaphors,swag would trample him - Mickey Factz

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nikkas comparing weak pen p to Lupe in here now lmmfao

Bro I'm not fuccin wit y'all. Like what u like

I'm debating battle rap wit nikkas that don't even understand it.

Shotgun suge is simple he paints a pic and gets straight to the point. He's dope

He'd die in front of lux...

There's levels to being a dope writer u can't just say fucc punchlines metaphors entendres n such

That's what battling is. That shyt matters. It's a war of words. I feel calicoe more than lux does that mean he won?
 

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Go over my head how

the song is about anything

a mural usually portrays an image conveying a message, this song says nothing is about song

Kendrick's Humble is far more lyrical and its a radio hit, he conveys multi-layered messages about racism and how the image of black people portrayed in america is a form of brainwashing

Lupe is not on Kendrick level, period never was

There's SO much to digest in this song I dont have the time nor patience to try and break it all down.

If you think the song is about nothing somehow you missed the over all point and theme of the song.

I remember a video that someone did awhile back that touched on only some points of the track and its mind blowing. I'll see if i can find it.
 

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I think this goes to the whole debate over "lyricism". There's the technical definition which concerns itself with the poetic nature of rap (similes, metaphors, alliteration, meter, cadence, etc) and then there's the literal definition which concerns itself purely with what an artist is saying. In the literal sense, what an artist says is just as important if not more important than how they say it. The second definition is less poetry based and moreso prose based. These two definitions are where debates about Pac being just as lyrical as a Big Pun or Canibus might arise. The best artists do both. I used to be a Lupe stan because not only could he make a track like Pen & the Needlez and then make a track like Ghetto Story, but he could combine both styles of lyricism in one song.

No, Kendrick is not seeing Lupe when it comes to that first definition of lyricism. However, Kendrick is very talented with words in the second type of lyricism. Kendrick also doesn't get credit for how talented he is technically when it comes to flowing, multi-syllabic rhyming, internal rhyming, diverse rhyme schemes, etc. Just like Lupe flexes his technical wordplay on tracks like Mean & Vicious, Kendrick flexes his technical skill on a track like Rigamortus.

Here's the really funny thing though: do I think Kendrick could make his own Failure? No, I don't. But I am not in the slightest bit confident Lupe could make his own version of Sing About Me/Dying of Thirst today.
You are correct about two different definitions of lyricist. But I would argue that bars favors the Lupe definition. Kendrick is technically sound but bars is what people are hung up on. I actually think Lupe could still make a sing about me. He shows signs on songs like poor decisions. He can still be dope with a message. He just is in this rapping just to rap phase. He be around those battle rap dudes too much. The question is would Lupe let someone executive produce?
 

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How is @Master Teacher exposing himself? He's absolutely correct. Why should a verse be complex to be considered good? Is Lupe rapping about the projects on Day Dreamin better than Prodigy on Streets Raised Me? I like Daydreamin and the concept but as a kid who grew up in the projects it doesn't give me the feel like Prodigy's lines on Streets Raised Me:

Vision the canvas, I paint a picture
Similar to Ernie Barnes nikka
But mines is more ghetto, more guns, more drugs, mostly thugs
All my duns, their baby moms, daughters and sons
Dark blocks, with streets lamps shot the fukk out
Park benches broke, a nikka stretched out
Jumped off the roof to his death, its real
Hand Ball walls displayed with areR- I-P murals
Those who sling, play the shadows by the building
Devils Spring, keep em going while the snows blowing
Grams get dipped, 50's are moked, cookies are broke
And spliced in large pieces for the fiends to smoke
The sunset looks beautiful over the projects
What a shame, it ain't the same where we stand at
If you look close you can see the bricks chipped off
Sometimes nikkas miss when they lick off don't get clipped off
:wow:


That is poetry. That imagery is waaaay more powerful than ANY verse on Daydreamin. AND THAT IS WHY I SAY THAT YOU LUPE STANS HAVE A WARPED DEFINITION OF LYRICISM. Being able to convey those images in short lines takes waaaaay more skill than whatever the fukk Lupe be doing. That is lyricism to me. That is potent writing. That is true MCing.
To each his own:manny:

Be easily impressed brehs
 

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Go over my head how

the song is about anything

a mural usually portrays an image conveying a message, this song says nothing is about song

Kendrick's Humble is far more lyrical and its a radio hit, he conveys multi-layered messages about racism and how the image of black people portrayed in america is a form of brainwashing

Lupe is not on Kendrick level, period never was

found it, enjoy

 

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Go over my head how

the song is about anything

a mural usually portrays an image conveying a message, this song says nothing is about song

Kendrick's Humble is far more lyrical and its a radio hit, he conveys multi-layered messages about racism and how the image of black people portrayed in america is a form of brainwashing

Lupe is not on Kendrick level, period never was
nikka said Humble is lyrical. Aight fam. You got it.
 

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dawg i'm not looking to mickey factz to get any analysis in music. nikka still waiting on revolt joe response.

i like both artists for different reasons. i'm not that much of fan lupe recent material besides T&Y and pharaoh height. he still highly skilled just musically inconsistent. lupe has too many looking funny in the light moments. he's bitter about kendrick success it isn't a way around it. this the same guy who said logic was better...now you wanna tell about lyricist boi gtfoh. i would rather be talking about skulls or some other album that we didn't get.
If thats the case why Lu dont throw jabs at jcole? Jcole just as hot as Kendrick. Maybe because jcole doesnt constantly ripoff Lupe just to troll him..
 

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Who better lyrically: Lupe or Inspectah Deck?
Lupe fiasco. By quite a biT. Tho why ask THAT question? Im curious

wutang forever deck has some of the best verses in history of hip hop and id take that deck over lupe anyday. BUT...

Lyricism have evolved quite a bit since “swinging on ya town like ya neighborhood apiderman”. In 93 those punchws were dope and set the stabdard.

But today? the deck that says “wutang fresh like tupperware”?

Not even in same bracket. Lupe crafts songs out of metaphors and deck has never really taken lyricism to the places lu does. Deck is usually always on some street shyt while lu can write songs like the cool, he said she said, kick push, etc. dude be making songs about fast food skateboarding zombie gangstas and everything else. in a straight sitting it makes for an entertaining listen. tho you already know id rather listen to every wutang project straight over a lupe album. 2 different artists.

And thats just one album. Lupe is underrated conpared to kendrick who gets all the props. Kenny cant touch lupe lyrically or concept wise. but overall kenny proly better and is what lupe was supposed to be.
 
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Lupe fiasco. By quite a biT. Tho why ask THAT question? Im curious

wutang forever deck has some of the best verses in history of hip hop and id take that deck over lupe anyday. BUT...

Lyricism have evolved quite a bit since “swinging on ya town like ya neighborhood apiderman”. In 93 those punchws were dope and set the stabdard.

But today? the deck that says “wutang fresh like tupperware”?

Not even in same bracket. Lupe crafts songs out of metaphors and deck has never really taken lyricism to the places lu does. Deck is usually always on some street shyt while lu can write songs like the cool, he said she said, kick push, etc. dude be making songs about fast food skateboarding zombie gangstas and everything else.

And thats just one album. Lupe is underrated conpared to kendrick who gets all the props. Kenny cant touch lupe lyrically or concept wise.

I disagree wholeheartedly. "deck has never really taken lyricism to the places lu does"? Is you mad? Deck has verses that Lupe couldn't dream of crafting because he overdoes it. Sure he may talk about fast food skateboarding zombies or manga or some other nerd shyt but that doesn't make him a better lyricist. He's too full of himself to put put together a Triumph verse or a verse from It's Yourz. He sloppily overcompensates because of his lack of true MC skills. Read my above posts on what true potent lyricism is and get back to me.
 
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