Kendrick is the biggest plant we've ever seen (a big leafy summabytch)

[Cynic]

least Rocky isn't dikkriding some previous rapper for success.

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Rocky was already popular by the time he did that.
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Just tell us his biggest hit breh or you gonna carry on

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[Abstract83]

I was aware of Kendrick Lamar since "She Needs Me".

Lamar is not a plant. He didn't just come out of nowhere signed to Interscope. TDE was under the Strange Umbrella and off the strength of Jay Rock with "All My Life" and "Lift Me Up", they were able to segue that into interest from Interscope; which resulted in a label deal.

The whole plant thing is just a know-it-all- type of person who can't admit that he doesn't know it all.

I use to think he was a plant too cause I only heard Section 80 at the time while reading a thread on Kendrick. Then all this Dr. DRE props, early award show appearances, and the unexpected heavy interscope push came along. And then I remembered I saw Kendrick on indy music blogs and heard him on HoodHype Indy Podcast early 2009 or 08' sort of like Macklemore. Plus like u said Tech broke it down. He didn't just have Jay Rock signed he had all of TDE in his circle on tour etc. They learned the indy game from him and started their own thing. It was when Dre, Snoop, Game, and Interscope started backing him heavy cause they knew early on how talented he is.

Y'all gotta remember it's a lot of insider info we don't know about. Down the line u learn that up and coming rappers be in industry circles waaaaaay before they get on. Hanging or even sometimes living with certain artists. Artists that didn't even do songs with each other. Like Stack Bundles and Lupe, Big Daddy Kane and Jay-Z, Eminem and the Outsidaz, Kanye and The Roc before the deal (he did produce but we didnt know him at the time), Crooked I and Snoop/Dre before the death row deal, Canibus and Redman use to freestyle together etc. Up and coming artists are always in rap circles. Either ghost writing producing or touring doing watever to get on. The grind is serious.

I do believe in industry plants when it comes to highlighting artists for profit. It's just another form of marketing. The labels care about money, while the artists just wanna get their name out there. Then they get signed and most of them change their sound for the good or bad. Depending on how much creative control they have. I believe Kendrick, Janelle Monae, Jay-Z, Nas, J Cole, and now Lupe are the only major label artists with complete creative control. Lupe is indy now though. Thats the reason why Tech N9ne will never sign with a major he can do watever he wants.

 

[Cynic]

• No cosign from any legends
• Dated Iggy Azeala
• First mixtape blows up overnight
• Then signed to $3mill deal
• Biggest single has the top rappers
• Megastar dubstep DJ on the single
• Global Pop superstar in Fashion Killa video

@SirBiatch

 

[bouncy]

you can't change the game in the 9th inning breh

a industry plant IS a person PLANTED by the INDUSTRY to appear grassroots and unsigned... when really he's being paid and pushed by a label in secret

somebody getting signed cause jay-z is his brother is just a nikka who got a hook up

You just wrote what I wrote but In a different way

The difference is I'm saying a plant is someone who didn't come up in the ranks of other artists, but appear to. You are saying a label is making him appear unsigned,and earned his deal. We are saying the same thing!

 

[bouncy]

Y'all act as if dudes are sitting around in their living rooms and a record label shows up and turns them into a star. These are real artists with real music who had to be putting in some kind of work to get noticed by a major label in the first place. Do you like the music or not? What does it matter what exact moment they got signed?

That's not true. A lot of people get on because they have an image, and a little talent. That isn't the same as someone who makes music his life by studying it, and just wanted to add to the craft. You can tell who was plants over the years because they don't do anything of substance past their first two albums. Or they start doing other shyt to stay in the limelight. They love fame, not music per say.

 

[wingstop]

who cares, kendrick has two classic albums, rocky doesnt have one yet. hopefully his new one will be.

 

[bouncy]

Y'all gotta remember it's a lot of insider info we don't know about. Down the line u learn that up and coming rappers be in industry circles waaaaaay before they get on. Hanging or even sometimes living with certain artists. Artists that didn't even do songs with each other. Like Stack Bundles and Lupe, Big Daddy Kane and Jay-Z, Eminem and the Outsidaz, Kanye and The Roc before the deal (he did produce but we didnt know him at the time), Crooked I and Snoop/Dre before the death row deal, Canibus and Redman use to freestyle together etc. Up and coming artists are always in rap circles. Either ghost writing producing or touring doing watever to get on. The grind is serious.

This is what I was trying to explain in my previous post as far as the difference with an industry plant, and someone who has a label marketing them a certain way. A plant is someone who no one in the rap game knows them, but they are marketable, so a label does things to make the general public believe the artist they are promoting is a real deal artist who came up and proved himself amongst his peers, when in reality he just fukked someone, and wanted to be famous, and got a deal.

 

[volk]

That's not true. A lot of people get on because they have an image, and a little talent. That isn't the same as someone who makes music his life by studying it, and just wanted to add to the craft. You can tell who was plants over the years because they don't do anything of substance past their first two albums. Or they start doing other shyt to stay in the limelight. They love fame, not music per say.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said. Regardless of talent or substance, these labels are not pulling artists out of thin air and taking a chance on randoms and putting them on. My point is what difference does it make how they got put on? If the music is quality then great, who cares. If the music is trash move on, they won't last long anyway.

 

[Kaypain]

As I've said before, I don't stan. I'm not from your corny ass era where you live vicariously through your favorite rapper. I have no problems calling out my favorite rappers for trash albums. Most of y'all can't do that but yet I'm the stan

Rocky's been a Kendrick Lamar fan for a long time. a) you're not telling me anything new and b) it's totally irrelevant to this thread.

Keep deflecting tho. You and Cynic should get a room together to sit there and deflect ether all day.

Cac can't even come up with a cohesive assertion

You're not a stan yet you made a thread bytching talking about The Coli is jealous of ASAP..


Contradicting ass fakkit

Yeah you say you don't live vigorously through your favorite artist but you stay talking about a artist you don't like.

real men don't do that

 

[bouncy]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said. Regardless of talent or substance, these labels are not pulling artists out of thin air and taking a chance on randoms and putting them on. My point is what difference does it make how they got put on? If the music is quality then great, who cares. If the music is trash move on, they won't last long anyway.

What I'm saying some of them are just finding them, and putting them on. Its not a lot but it happens. I guess as a fan it doesn't matter but, when you love music, love making it, and love to see the people who are just like you make it, it isn't cool to see a fake get a shot that others work hard for years to do. This is why a lot of artists behind the scenes didn't like a lot of those "I ain't a rapper" types and got on because of the gangster drug dealers shyt that fans wanted. Even Jay talked about it in the fade to black movie. People took his "I ain't a rapper" term and used it out of context.

Actors go through the same thing. They hated when rappers started getting parts that should have been given to them. In the public they seem cool but, its not like that in reality. Plants are hated because they are taking food out of peoples mouths without earning it like everyone else did.

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

interesting info but i see no point in complaining about plants

labels always do some shady shyt but if we get good music out of it



if Kendrick's a plant i'm glad the industry laid some soil for him, we got 3 great projects out of it

I'd feel the same way about Rocky too since we got LIve.Love.A$ap.

 

[Young Scrap]

And like I said before, I absolutely love that. It shows the power of his music. He didn't need some legendary cosign or radio play. He released a track on the net and it went viral. Maybe we can talk about a label supporting the viral hit. but at least Rocky isn't dikkriding some previous rapper for success.

Unlike your boys Kendrick, Cole and Drake.

A lot of legends have had that Dre cosign b

 

[SirBiatch]

• No cosign from any legends
• Dated Iggy Azeala
• First mixtape blows up overnight
• Then signed to $3mill deal
• Biggest single has the top rappers
• Megastar dubstep DJ on the single
• Global Pop superstar in Fashion Killa video

@SirBiatch

as usual, you don't do your homework and talk out your ass. Even if you think I talk shyt about Kendrick, I at least do my homework on dude.

Your order is wrong. Let me fix it for you.

• No cosign from any legends. Purple Swag and Peso alone generate buzz.
  
• Then signed to $3mill deal
  
• Dated Iggy Azeala (I dont know what the timeline is of their relationship nor do I give af)
  
• First mixtape blows up overnight
• Drake, Rihanna bring him on respective tours. Rocky does a remix verse for Rihanna
  
• Biggest single has the top rappers
• Megastar dubstep DJ on the single
• Global Pop superstar in Fashion Killa video

@SirBiatch

fixed.

He signed the deal, then released the tape. In fact, the first time I heard of Rocky was: "there's this random guy called Rocky who has just signed 3 mil deal, and he has a song called Purple Swag and Peso." This was a week before Live.Love.ASAP dropped. No Rocky fans are pretending like he was unsigned during LiveLoveASAP's run (unlike Kendrick fans who pretend that Kendrick wasn't signed to Interscope prior to and during Section 80).

Rocky is a Youtube/Tumblr star that got on because the average person who came across his music online genuinely fukked with his music. Music spoke for itself.

http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2013...rap-star-to-international-touring-artist.html

Kendrick was on Youtube for years and no one gave a fukk till Dre stepped in. Different scenario.

 

[SirBiatch]

who cares, kendrick has two classic albums, rocky doesnt have one yet. hopefully his new one will be.

that's the biggest load of garbage, period.

Live.Love.ASAP demolishes Kendrick's entire discography. Kendrick is nowhere close.

Then again, we look for different things. You prefer Kendrick, I prefer Rocky. I think Kendrick has zero classics, and they're not even good albums, not to talk about great or even "classic."

I'll tell you the huge difference between Rocky and Kendrick though: one has hired media to ram the "everything I do is classic" message down bloggers/stans throats, instead of allowing the music to speak for itself. The other is ASAP Rocky.

 

[wingstop]

that's the biggest load of garbage, period.

Live.Love.ASAP demolishes Kendrick's entire discography. Kendrick is nowhere close.

Then again, we look for different things. You prefer Kendrick, I prefer Rocky. I think Kendrick has zero classics, and they're not even close to what I'd call classic.

I'll tell you the huge difference between Rocky and Kendrick: one has hired media to ram the "everything I do is classic" message down bloggers/stans throats, instead of allowing the music to speak for itself. And it aint Rocky

i like a$ap rocky but